Where is MAURA MURRAY

A couple things that did pop in the back of my mind that I have yet to post on. Even if I hurt some feelings in the process, I will say what I feel.

If I was over seas, and the person I love and want to spend the rest of my life with was missing. I would be as involved in it a much as I could be. Meanwhile, hating the fact I could not be stateside to help out in the continuing effort. But in my personal mind that would drive me to stay more vigilant and alert so I could hopefully see that person again someday. It could be a distraction. But then again, like I said I would feed on the hope that she woud be found.

If my daughter went missing xx miles away from her school. The first thing I would do is contact the administration and have security look in on her. Regardless of where her car was found. At that time who said it could'nt have been stolen, wrecked, and abandoned by some other girl.

Look at the picture of her and her dad on the mountain. You could plainly see they were close. Now, don't tell me he did know where she worked at all times, not daddy's little girl? Regarless of how savvy and capable she may have been. Its a fathers nature(IF you are on good terms).

Give whiston a break, if I had a child missing. I would want a capable mind trying to help as much as he has.(you know who I am talking about)

Art is a big business, you can try and poke holes through it as much as you want. BUT the fact that it may went alot farther than you think is a reality. And that would lead us back to the possibility of a protection program. And why no one wants this gallery known. Maybe out of request by the athorities.

Or what hurts me the most to say, maybe the family is hiding something. With the comments the sister made. With the family so concrete on blaming it on the locals/police/or anyone other than themselves or maura.

Saddening but there is alot of answers that are known, but not being told.

Sorry-I guess I am now the resident asshole...

The 100 mile towing with AAA is only for Plus Members. Does anyone know what type of membership she had?

Eurobserver wrote:

This clearly implies that CS must surely have been seen Maura (or whoever) at the site of the first "mystery" accident some approx. 20-30 minutes earlier.

I don't think so. Clearly someone could have told him that information. By radio or during his interviews. He didn't need to see the driver (Maura) at all and most likely didn't in my opinion. If he actually saw her I would think that would be worthy of including that information in his report which he did not.

Bill

WeWii, those things needed to be said. Your comment about Blly Rausch was exactly what I was saying several hundred posts ago about his being involved in the elect Obama efforts yet not drawing any attention to maura. Not to mention, the letter that is said to have been left on top of Maura's belongings and his very early comment of her not being with them or words to that effect. At the time of her disappearance he was still in the states, right?

I remember your post. I thought the same about the campaign.

Eurobserver wrote:

Questions:
a)Where did that first accident take place and why no known public witnesses? Several cars must have passed by the scene if it happened on the 112 and even more so on the 10/302.
French Pond Road would be quite another matter, of course.
b) If the Saturn actually got towed by AAA (or by some other, independent towing company)- then why not a single word from the driver of the towing truck in question? Collusion, foul play?
Can we get some kind of likely scenario out of this convoluted context?
Thanks!

The 100 mile distance from Putney to Haverhill theory is just a wild guess. I threw it out there because of the 100 mile AAA limit on towing, so I simply went backwards from Swiftwater about 100 miles. After thinking it through, though, a AAA scenario seems unlikely because the connection would have been too easy to trace.
If the Saturn hit Vasi, then the car was probably parked in a hidden or not-very-visible location for a few days and not driven at all during daylight.
I've talked to several knowledgeable people now about the Saturn's possible trip from Amherst to Haverhill and they all say that while driving a Saturn on 3 out of 4 cylinders is certainly possible, driving one 150 miles after dark on a Monday night in February is highly unlikely.
That small chance disappears almost entirely if the major damage to the car was done in Amherst. It would be virtually impossible to drive a car in that condition 150 miles north on an interstate highway - not to mention driving the car that distance without getting stopped by police. Possible? Sure. But far too unlikely to cling to and exclude more likely possibilities.
If the Saturn was damaged in Amherst or even southern VT, then there is, practically speaking, only one way it could have ended up in Haverhill: it was towed there. Realistically, that's the only choice. Otherwise, the damage tothe Saturn, not including the airbags, occurred near or at the Rt. 112 crash scene.
Since some of the damage to the front of the Saturn could have been deliberately caused by a tow truck, and since Maura already had ridden in a tow truck less than 48 hours earlier, and since a tow truck is the only way a damaged car in that condition could have realistically arrived in Haverhill, and since security is often alert to illegally parked cars, then thinking along the lines of a tow truck is not, like, some far out, absurd concept.
By the way, student vehicles improperly parked at UMass parking lots are towed all the time. Who calls them? Only UMass police?

OK--so would it be a reasonable statement to say that the damage could have been done in the first accident (lady left in POV) and could only make it to the Weathered Barn?

If what the auto body guy who looked at Fred's Corolla told me was correct (Fred bought the Corolla for Maura), then why would Maura have driven the Saturn to Haverhill? Why not take the new car? Fred would have rented a car to go back to work, whihc is exactly what he did anyway.

It's far from certain that Fred actually did buy the Corolla for Maura, but the auto body guy was sure that's what he was told and he didn't find it surprising. Father buys car for daughter, daughter gets excited, daughter drinks, daughter smashes car. Not totally surprising.

Hard to say what really happened with the Corolla purchase.

BeagleBart,

Thanks for your input there.
Do you consider it possible/likely that the Saturn might have been towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill?
If so, by whom?
Looks to me as if a reputable towing company would be a rather unlikely candidate here and rather some kind of "shady" private person/s with a private vehicle equipped with a towing mechanism.

The timing, though...
If Maura (or at least the Saturn) left Amherst at 4-4.30 pm, then it would have to be a very fast towing-truck indeed to get to Haverhill in about 3 hours...
That time-line would probably rule out the Saturn having been towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill.
Or???

looking4amoose wrote:

OK--so would it be a reasonable statement to say that the damage could have been done in the first accident (lady left in POV) and could only make it to the Weathered Barn?

Sure. Either the damage occurred in Amherst or nearby, in which case the Saturn was towed to NH, or the damage occurred near or at the Rt. 112 crash scene, most likely because the car made contact with the back end of a truck. POV?

Eurobserver wrote:

BeagleBart,
Thanks for your input there.
Do you consider it possible/likely that the Saturn might have been towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill?
If so, by whom?
Looks to me as if a reputable towing company would be a rather unlikely candidate here and rather some kind of "shady" private person/s with a private vehicle equipped with a towing mechanism.
The timing, though...
If Maura (or at least the Saturn) left Amherst at 4-4.30 pm, then it would have to be a very fast towing-truck indeed to get to Haverhill in about 3 hours...
That time-line would probably rule out the Saturn having been towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill.
Or???

150 miles divided by 3.5 hours is 50 mph with a half-hour for a bathroom break and a sandwich.

Eurobserver wrote:

BeagleBart,
Thanks for your input there.
Do you consider it possible/likely that the Saturn might have been towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill?
If so, by whom?
Looks to me as if a reputable towing company would be a rather unlikely candidate here and rather some kind of "shady" private person/s with a private vehicle equipped with a towing mechanism.
The timing, though...
If Maura (or at least the Saturn) left Amherst at 4-4.30 pm, then it would have to be a very fast towing-truck indeed to get to Haverhill in about 3 hours...
That time-line would probably rule out the Saturn having been towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill.
Or???

Hung out with any repo drivers lately?

You should have seen the tow truck driver I talked to in Amherst last week. Nice enough a guy. Probably weighed about 300 strong, fast-moving pounds. This was at the place where Fred's Corolla was towed the second time that Feb. weekend. When I asked him about a driver that had worked there previously, this very large guy said, "Is he big? Like a lot bigger than me?" I haven't found him yet, but when I do, I'm hoping it's not in a dark alley.

BeagleBart, looking4amosse & all,

So the Saturn being towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill would be quite a feasible theory time-wise...

Any theories/ideas where that elusive first "mystery" accident possibly involving the Saturn in Woodsville/Haverhill took place and how/why?
Was the first accident real or faked?
And again, why (seemingly) no witnesses?
Could the theoretical towing-truck from Amherst have been involved here?
Could such a towing-truch have been the red MA-reg truck observed by witness RO?
Is it possible that the Saturn (if towed) suddenly was "lost" by the towing truck due to severe frost heaves on say the 112 near Swiftwater, thus causing the first reported incident from which the lady driver left "in private vehicle"?
What do you think?

Eurobserver wrote:

BeagleBart, looking4amosse & all,
So the Saturn being towed all the way from Amherst to Haverhill would be quite a feasible theory time-wise...
Any theories/ideas where that elusive first "mystery" accident possibly involving the Saturn in Woodsville/Haverhill took place and how/why?
Was the first accident real or faked?
And again, why (seemingly) no witnesses?
Could the theoretical towing-truck from Amherst have been involved here?
Could such a towing-truch have been the red MA-reg truck observed by witness RO?
Is it possible that the Saturn (if towed) suddenly was "lost" by the towing truck due to severe frost heaves on say the 112 near Swiftwater, thus causing the first reported incident from which the lady driver left "in private vehicle"?
What do you think?

I think it's five o'clock somewhere. And counting. A demain.

Okay, it's not quite five o'clock yet. I was just thinking, on my way to drinking (Nashville, anyone?), that Fred might have told the auto body guy about the Corolla being a gift for Maura on Monday. Like, after the Corolla was smashed, but before Maura had disappeared? Wouldn't this be sort of significant?

BeagleBart,

Meaning???

hi Beagle and all,mrMurray said on the Montel Wiliiams interview that he had to be back at work on Monday feb 09 04,do you know when he spoke with the body shop and was it by phone or in person,take care philip

Beagle,

I think I get your point there.
Of course it could be significant.
But:
Why has it always been implied that Maura and her father were to go car-shopping in the next few days for a replacement of the Saturn.
Somewhere I even saw it mentioned that they were supposed to have a certain Geo Prizm in mind for Maura.

As always in this case, things don´t seem to be adding up.
It´s as if we are moving around in a kind of fog trying to make sense of seemingly unconnected threads.

If Fred told the auto body guy about the Corolla's being a gift for Maura BEFORE she disappeared, then what would this mean?

I don't know. What would it mean?

Beagle,

I think I need to think a bit more regarding your question there.
It might merely have been an insurance-related remark.
If not - well, for some reason Mr Murray and/or Maura had had a change of plans as for going car-shopping for the Geo Prizm or another car.
Even so, this may not necessarily be related to whatever happened to Maura and/or the Saturn later.
Or??? I´m not sure...