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#3509
Jul 30, 2008
 
1Anne wrote:
White Wash, I am unsure of your intention in your last post? I have no doubt there are checks and balances for Grafton County sheriffs. As we examine the area where Maura's Saturn ended up and talk of the neighborhood, wouldn't it include the sheriff on the corner? Isn't it correct that he has a clear view of the scene from his home in the winter? Wasn't he living there in 2004?
White Wash, When I initially mentioned the sheriff home, it was a response to confirm what a poster had said when she/he had noticed there was a sheriff living nearby. My intention was to confirm and possibly someone could talk to a reliable possible witness. Isn't it true that he lives there and is reliable? If he was at home that night, I would hope he saw the flashing lights and asked what was happening in his neighborhood.
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Well those of us who spent time in your state could say the same about anger and animosity!
Those not visiting could read the news to see it
as well but your OPINION noted but will point out
there ZERO PROOF THAT HARM CAME TO THAT GIRL IN NH.
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So much anger and animosity emanating from a NH area. It just reaffirms my thoughts of Maura being harmed there that night.
Jerry Fletcher

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White Wash wrote:
Well those of us who spent time in your state could say the same about anger and animosity!
Those not visiting could read the news to see it
as well but your OPINION noted but will point out
there ZERO PROOF THAT HARM CAME TO THAT GIRL IN NH.
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Tsk tsk, once again, White Wash......how do you know for a FACT that there is zero proof that harm came to that girl in NH? Who is leading you to believe this? How are you aware of what FACTS there are in this case?

You are such an expert on everything....you must be a very VIP in your area.
White Wash

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What make you sure HPD/NHSP didn't interview the Deputy? It is a criminal investigation
he still wouldn't talk to those just doing research.
1Anne wrote:
<quoted text> White Wash, When I initially mentioned the sheriff home, it was a response to confirm what a poster had said when she/he had noticed there was a sheriff living nearby. My intention was to confirm and possibly someone could talk to a reliable possible witness. Isn't it true that he lives there and is reliable? If he was at home that night, I would hope he saw the flashing lights and asked what was happening in his neighborhood.
White Wash

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I perfer Mayor thank you!

Sorry Jerry if there was PROOF wouldn't we have what??

Answers!!

Wouldn't someone being in jail if there was PROOF?

Wouldn't we be watching, attending, reading court
processings if there was PROOF JERRY!

All wearing Tin Hats will be return to your regularly scheduled brain washing now!
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Tsk tsk, once again, White Wash......how do you know for a FACT that there is zero proof that harm came to that girl in NH? Who is leading you to believe this? How are you aware of what FACTS there are in this case?
You are such an expert on everything....you must be a very VIP in your area.
Jerry Fletcher

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White Wash wrote:
I perfer Mayor thank you!
Sorry Jerry if there was PROOF wouldn't we have what??
Answers!!
Wouldn't someone being in jail if there was PROOF?
Wouldn't we be watching, attending, reading court
processings if there was PROOF JERRY!
All wearing Tin Hats will be return to your regularly scheduled brain washing now!
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I think you ought to stop while you are somewhat ahead. Once again you contradict yourself.

You say what you do above regarding proof. And then you say:

What make you sure HPD/NHSP didn't interview the Deputy? It is a criminal investigation
he still wouldn't talk to those just doing research."

HELLOOOOOOOO, it is a criminal investigation. That has been said. Do you know how long it can take to bring indictments?

It is a criminal investigation. Just because there aren't indictments doesn't mean the investigation is over and doesn't mean that there isn't PROOF.

You really should stop contradicting yourself. It doesn't present an informed, rational representation of who you area. Your tin hat is permanently affixed and not removable.
White Wash

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And Jerry I hope and pray that Fred Murray never
has to experience this

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp...

These parents had PROOF and they are watching their daughter and grand daughter's killer WALK
FREE is that want you want for Maura and the Murrays cause those of us living here want the
proof so that if HARM was DONE TO MAURA it's never done again and no parent deserves this!
Jerry Fletcher wrote:
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Tsk tsk, once again, White Wash......how do you know for a FACT that there is zero proof that harm came to that girl in NH? Who is leading you to believe this? How are you aware of what FACTS there are in this case?
You are such an expert on everything....you must be a very VIP in your area.
sophie bean

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Shack wrote:
"So much anger and animosity emanating from a NH area. It just reaffirms my thoughts of Maura being harmed there that night."

Precisely my thoughts. As I've posted elsewhere, if Maura wasn't in / near Woodsville etc, why would anyone from there care? People seem extraordinarily defensive for no good reason. We are not accusing any individual of anything, but we are looking for the perps if there are, indeed this is true for any of the unsolved cases. I don't hear anyone from ME, VT or QC getting totally enraged because we have mentioned unsolved cases there.
YET AGAIN I ask the naysayers - if your child, sister, friend was missing, and her car was found on the side of a rural road in Maine, would you seriously ignore that fact?
White Wash

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HELLOOOOOOOO and what do you need for an indictment

ROCKET BOY??

Oh yea

PROOF.
Jerry Fletcher wrote:
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I think you ought to stop while you are somewhat ahead. Once again you contradict yourself.
You say what you do above regarding proof. And then you say:
What make you sure HPD/NHSP didn't interview the Deputy? It is a criminal investigation
he still wouldn't talk to those just doing research."
HELLOOOOOOOO, it is a criminal investigation. That has been said. Do you know how long it can take to bring indictments?
It is a criminal investigation. Just because there aren't indictments doesn't mean the investigation is over and doesn't mean that there isn't PROOF.
You really should stop contradicting yourself. It doesn't present an informed, rational representation of who you area. Your tin hat is permanently affixed and not removable.
sophie bean

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White Wash "and" Jerry - sorry, if you and the others really cared about Maura and wanted her found, and the perps brought to justice, you wouldn't be so furious about any possibility that's considered which might involve the noble sovereign state of NH.

I see very little in what you and "the others" have written which shws any interest whatsoever in anything except protecting the supposedly spotless reputation of NH as a safe and friendly tourist destination.

Say what you like about unsolved cases in ME and VT, very few of those cases have involved tourists or visitors. Those cases are every bit as deserving of attention, but it is DIFFERENT when someone who is a stranger in the state apparently vanishes there or is murdered. When toursists or visitors are targeted or apparently targeted, it reflects on the state and no amount of deflection or hiding the fact will eliminate it.

I still say that every unsolved missing persons case and murder can just as easily represent a threat to the local population. It is extremely weird at best that locals don't appear to understand this.
whiston

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Jul 30, 2008
 
hi all, i know of no one, including myself who is getting paid to post here.most of the information i have found online or by reading conflicting news reports.i have got some information from the now closed M.M.M.forum.both sorces cannot be true.thats what i am wading through.i have spoken with a couple of posters on the phone and learned a lot through them.i have tried to contact some of the people that were mentioned and interviewed in different articles.i am still trying to figure out why the saturn was left at Lavoies if a crime was suspected and i still do not know how long it was there but i believe it was several months.take care philip

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Jul 30, 2008
 
White Wash wrote:
And Jerry I hope and pray that Fred Murray never
has to experience this
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp...
These parents had PROOF and they are watching their daughter and grand daughter's killer WALK
FREE is that want you want for Maura and the Murrays cause those of us living here want the
proof so that if HARM was DONE TO MAURA it's never done again and no parent deserves this!
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I saw this on the news today and I am saddened and sorry...truly.
Shack

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Off Topic..but, since an automobile accident was mentioned in a previous Post.. I drove my car into a ditch/tree..killed my friend. and severely injuring her sister. I didn't go to prison. Instead, I have had to remember it....
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My goodness, what a ruckus. Someone's feeling a little out of sorts, aren't they?

THANK YOU FOR NOT FEEDING THE ANIMALS.

Shack, I remember you mentioning this a few times. Your difference, of course, is that you were not at fault at any point (neither while driving nor in the aftermath). In the meantime, scrolling on by. In truth, that's about all I CAN do, because I can hardly penetrate the vitriol to make sense of what the thrust of the words themselves are.

Yeesh.
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Jul 30, 2008
 
quija wrote:
whiston, i'm starting to believe there WAS a note in her dorm room --- that was removed at some point?
i also think even though she was very private, with her lovely self and a happy facade she could often hide much of what was troubling her, and that she was depressed and falling apart at that time.
i believe she was drinking a moderate amount or more of alcohol and that exacerbates depression.
i believe billy felt immediately in NH (ref: his quoted comment) that Maura had taken her life.
I believe someone among Maura's family or friends may know why the Saturn was taken to NH in that way at that time.
I believe the grief of her family is infinitely deep and true. i believe it's an endless horror for them.
I believe Maura's leaving WP was a big deal. not the casual transfer that was talked about on the mmm forum. I believe something happened either to her (harassment?) or by her, something as small (yet punishable) as an unauthorized party. I believe whiston is correct to try to figure out if any of the (up-to-300, unfortunately) students who left when Maura did were hang-out buddies of hers. That's why Greg Wallace, who left when Maura did, i think, was of interest to me; sadly, he passed away suddenly at the end of Jan 2004, right before Maura left.
I believe that with Billy and Julie both graduating from WP that Maura had a constant reminder of something she did not complete. Even if she just wanted a change of career, i believe giving up WP was a big disappointment or even some kind of dishonor to her. She had been quite an achiever and a competitive athlete, and i believe she was not feeling as good about herself as her family has reported.
i think her younger brother's poem was important in that he spoke as if Maura had left by her own choice and out of some unknown anger.
i think something was changing for her, either emotionally, or with life decisions that caused her a degree of upset that required counseling, as her supervisor suggested on feb. 5/6. There was a crisis brewing.
Fred may have aware of it on some level, but so many deeply loving parents can't see this stuff clearly as it's happening. Kathleen might have noticed changes in Maura, but maybe not until Maura disappeared and she saw them in retrospect.
i believe her "friends" from the saturday night party were worried about her, her frame of mind, and her judgment.
with private people, unless you bring them kicking and screaming into some kind of treatment, they are often too independent to do so themselves. I also know (from family experience) that when someone is depressed and overwhelmed with continuing life, they start backing away after they've made (or almost made) the decision to leave it --- and "they" say almost exactly what Maura did to Billy:(paraphrased) "I guess I just don't much feel like talking to anyone." To some extent they're already gone.
Don't know if this was answered while i typed this, but are there really paid investigators posting here?
Q, this is a very thoughtful post....worthy of meditation for all of us.

(Now, back to your anthill, woman!)
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Jul 30, 2008
 
Interesting. I just posted something immediately prior to that, and it went poof.

Once again, thank you for not feeding the animals. The rest of you, whoever you are, enjoy those knotted knickers.

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Jul 30, 2008
 
FireCat wrote:
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Q, this is a very thoughtful post....worthy of meditation for all of us.
(Now, back to your anthill, woman!)
You got it! Or better yet, "Under your dusty tarp, woman!" haha. Thanks, FireCat.

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Shack, you and I have disagreed for a long time, and I know any inaccuracies of mine drove you crazy, but I've got to say I'm sorry about several of the impossibly difficult things you've mentioned here that you've experienced. And I remain extremely grateful for your kindness (and --- WeWii --- "attention") the other week. Okay, back to disagreeing; but the way this board is working I have some new hope for answers after all this time.

Self-judged: nuts, off-topic, spam, disagree, dim (DEFinitely dim --- can't remember the rest of the icons). Oh, and optimistic.
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Shack wrote:
Off Topic..but, since an automobile accident was mentioned in a previous Post.. I drove my car into a ditch/tree..killed my friend. and severely injuring her sister. I didn't go to prison. Instead, I have had to remember it....
Did you deserve to go to prison?
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please clarify wrote:
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Did you deserve to go to prison?
MY GOODNESS, what an inappropriate and tactless question!

Also, for that matter, a quite-open-to-interpretation one. What does "deserve" mean, anyway?

If you're referring to the legal sense, no; she was not at fault. If you're referring to moral responsibility and perceived guilt, I think a closer reading of Shack's subtext will refer you to the prison of her memories as sufficient punishment.
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