Where is MAURA MURRAY

paris wrote:

It does 'sound' like the Saturn may have been there before it accelerated and bashed into the snowbank, assended into the snowbank. Put it it nuetual, hurry, rock the car, rock the car, shit, I'm stuck. No, I don't need help, I called AAA. Grab some things, hurry, hurry, you might never see your car again. Take time with the rag, burn your hand even while you're in the trunk going through your stuff. Booze, good enough, all the rest can sit.
No, can't imagine that either......at least not as a true possibility.

Not if the person whose interior monologue this is was Maura, no. But if it was someone PRETENDING to be Maura and wanting to make a quick escape from sight or meeting someone, perhaps.

paris wrote:

Who's vehicle did she get into......
Well there's the white unmarked official looking vehicle somebody saw and the driver may have gotten into that. People think I'm undercover because I drive a police cruiser, that is until they see me...I have the spotlight and everything on the front.
I'm going to go read your link, thank you Quija

The unmarked official-looking vehicle was H1, driven by Cecil Smith. It was a (black?) Bronco or other SUV type vehicle. This is a FACT, as stated by Weeper, a few pages back.

paris wrote:

Thinking your car will be towed, you will leave it in neutual.

Um, not and leave it, you don't, Paris. What you do is leave it UNLOCKED, so the tow driver can put it in neutral.

If you leave it in neutral, unbraked, in the mountains, it rolls away into the nearest (fill-in-the-blank). Which isn't a possibility here, because then there'd be no acceleration, just the thud.

You can't just leave a car in neutral and walk away and expect it to be in the same place when you get back.

paris wrote:

People think I'm undercover because I drive a police cruiser, that is until they see me...I have the spotlight and everything on the front.

Does this mean that you are a police officer?

If so, have you been able to speak with the local law enforcement as one colleague to another?

Am I mistaken, or did 20-20 state that Billy received a call on his cellphone "the next day"? Several other early reports have said this too, even though the call was actually Wednesday, Feb 11, around 10AM. Anyone else notice this? Not a big deal, but the time of this call has to be correct if facts are being put together to determine what happened to Maura.

Couple of things to toss in here:

The white rag in tailpipe -- the Saturn was black. If it was being towed, maybe the white rag was put in the tailpipe to help make the Saturn more visible to drivers coming up from behind.

The broken wine box -- I *think* that it came out on the MMM forum that the wine box was NOT broken. That was after Bobfather (and maybe some others) had done some testing of that type of wine box to find out how "breakable" they are. Because I seem to recall we were all then startled to learn the wine box was intact at the scene after all. Anyone else remember this?

Oh, and also -- Maura only had about 6 months of driving experience, which included very little on snow/ice. But it would also mean that she may not have known much re the various nuances of how to leave a car that is disabled and so on. In other words, regardless of whether leaving the Saturn in Neutral was a good idea or not, she simply may not have known what was the best thing to do and left it in Neutral thinking that was the right thing.

Quija wrote:

Am I mistaken, or did 20-20 state that Billy received a call on his cellphone "the next day"? Several other early reports have said this too, even though the call was actually Wednesday, Feb 11, around 10AM. Anyone else notice this? Not a big deal, but the time of this call has to be correct if facts are being put together to determine what happened to Maura.

I'd have to review it, but presumably it was "the next day" in reference to "the day after he was notified," which wasn't until Tuesday. Sloppy and unclear, but not incorrect.

Advocator wrote:

Oh, and also -- Maura only had about 6 months of driving experience, which included very little on snow/ice.

wow--I didn't realize that....so she started traveling to her nursing clinicals with even less driving experience. She would've started clinicals in September 2003..........interesting

hi all, sgt Smiths vehicle was seen at the saturn at the weathered barn 20 minutes before the Westmans called and 30 minutes before he reported on the accident report .this is not my opinion this is based on a witness account and sgt Smith.take care philip

Quija wrote:

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<text deleted> SPECULATION....I'm leaning toward believing that whoever saw Maura's first accident and saw her as well as car contents had to be LE. And discrepancies in the reports may be due to embarrassment and upset that they didn't protect Maura from what came next. But I also believe that if LE saw her, she was OK, and left her to head toward a serious crime, that they were following correct procedure and know they didn't do anything wrong -- they did it by the book and it turned into a horror story. Sorry, Paris, that I've been repeating myself, but I just see a picture forming...

Been off for a bit and see I have some reading to do, but I wanted to comment on Quija’s speculation. This is an interesting point. If any of you have ever read anything on Pamela Webb’s disappearance and death, something like this was a major issue. In fact, the family unsuccessfully sued the trooper and he was fired for lying about when he first saw Pamela’s vehicle on the Maine Turnpike.

[¶3] In 1992, the state police contacted the Webbs to tell them that the Kennebec Journal was about to publish an article that detailed the
misconduct of state trooper Jeffrey Haas during the investigation of Pamela's murder. Haas was on patrol the night Pamela was abducted. He saw her disabled truck at about 11:30 p.m. on July 1 but did not stop to inspect it until approximately three hours later. When it became clear that Pamela had been abducted, the police asked Haas when he had first seen the truck. He
responded falsely that he first saw the truck at 2:00 a.m. on July 2. Haas persisted with this false account in various forms, including a falsified patrol check card purporting to have been completed on July 1 at 11:30 p.m. Only
after Haas became a suspect in the murder investigation, did he confess the truth. The internal affairs division investigated Haas's misconduct and discharged him in November 1989.
http://www.courts.maine.gov/court_info/opinio...

hi all ,when sgt Smith went toward the stage stop store before turning back toward the weathered barn at 7.10 p.m.did he make it to the store did he get a call from someone on his private line.is the witness or Weeper wrong .take care philip

I got mixed up about towing a car because of what happened to the other car I recently bought. I have another car now in addition to my cruiser.( I am not an officer, I just have a really cool gasaholic cop car). But when I went to pick up the other car, the fuel pump went out, right after the title transfer,:) When the tow truck got there, they had me sit and put it in neutral while they pushed me back and in line for the tow. Thanks for the info. I had thought if someone said put it in, leave it in neutral, the car could be locked, my bad.
I thought there was a white official looking vehicle at the scene, I could have sworn.....so this is not actually true?
The wine was mostly missing, the box was crushed or wasn't it?

20/20, I hope you are continuing to read....

"It's been a long time since 7 o'clock".

Hello all,

I also had been under the impression, just like paris (post 4184), that there was a white official looking vehicle reportedly on the scene at the Weathered Barn.
Apparently this cannot have been so, or???

Another thing:

If it was indeed Maura in the Saturn I could understand her locking the doors of the car before leaving it.

If it was not Maura I find it difficult to understand why the hijacker(s) of the Saturn would even bother to lock it before escaping from the scene.

Ideas?

euro...just wondering.... how much are you paying for a litre of petrol over there?

hi all .sgt Smith did not have a choice in talking to the Westmans and mrAtwwod as they both had called p.d.if sgt Smith talked to mrAtwood through the window of the bus was this so anyone watching could sse him do it in case he was asked later.none of the other neighbours were asked anything that night.take care philip

Hello mcsmom,

As for your question (post 4187):

Current price here in Sweden is ca 2,15-2,20 USD/litre for 95 Octane Unleaded standard petrol.
The price per litre is more or less the same throughout much of Western Europe with some variations.

I can assure you that the car use is none the less amazingly high in Sweden and throughout Europe. People just love their cars and despite record high forecourt pump prices there is no discernible change in the traffic volumes to speak of...

The tax rate per litre is on average between 75 and up to nearly 90 percent throughout the European Union/Western Europe, so we still happen to think that the current US petrol price per litre is rather a bargain and something to dream of....

Hello all,

Just a last question before I retire for the night (much too late, as always...):

If we presume that it might have been Maura making the call to Billy R on the 11th February, possibly with an American Red Cross calling card:

Which were the ARC points of operation in NH, ME and VT in February 2004, from which such a call could conceivably have been placed?
Would there be a list to be found regarding the geographical locations of such places?
I think that such information could well be important.
Anybody knows?
Thanks!

Figured out the judging - yay!!!