Where is MAURA MURRAY

FireCat wrote:

Having once been a highly axious adolescent female, I *think* I see what you're driving at, Quija.... I also see you've stopped capitalising your name so that people stop calling you ouija....which I always found kinda funny.....

40 years later I'm still an anxious adolescent female (with new coping mechanisms, tho, thankfully). Guess we know that ways to reduce stress or deal with not being perfect don't always make a person feel great about herself. Yeah, I was wondering about Maura's coping mechanisms back in high school and how -- or if -- they were related to her mood the winter of 2004.

Haha --- I loved ouija too. Actually, I don't know how the heck the "Q" got capitalized!!!!!

Sorry, Firecat, turktail was me (Quija) from a while ago when.... yeah, yeah, we had turkeys.

Elsewhere briefly --- re: "Thought Your Computer Was Under The Tarp". Hahaha. You should be so lucky!!!!! I got under The Tarp when I felt compelled to join the discussion of the Tarpology of the land, including Rivers, Roads and Railways. Over and (hopefully for you!!) Out.

FireCat wrote:

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I thought they had traced the origin of that phone call, though discovered that they could not (for whatever reason) trace the identity of the caller, instead describing that person as "having moved on."
That would indicate to me that there WAS indeed a phone call.

All of a sudden that person "having moved on" sounds not just vague, but odd. What does that phrase mean? LE not wanting to answer the question? The person left UMass? The person suddenly moved residences a week into the new semester? The person was injured, hurt and in the hospital??? What the heck?? FireCat, does it sound as strange to you too?

maybe the call was from a payphone.....

FireCat, I "think" too you knew what I was getting at.

looking4amoose, IIRC the call was from an "on-campus" phone line which I've always interpreted to be a regular phone used for "internal" 4-digit calls. Never thought of an on-campus payphone.

Re: LE saying "the person who placed the call moved on"... to clarify, earlier I meant to ask if one possibility was a roommate or floormate (sharing a campus phone) with some student who wound up in the hospital and had to leave school for a while? This is stretching it, but with such vague answers to our questions, stretching it is what we have.

where's advocator? or did i miss his/her recent posts?

Where is everyone? Here's a long post --- scroll on by if it's just babble....

FireCat, IF MAURA WAS HURT, nothing else matters but removing that criminal from society forever. And not gently. Any of us would volunteer to be alone with that animal for a while.

Looking into Maura's moods and behavior over the years is IMHO useful to figure out:

if she really just needed to get away for a few days or a week, or

if she was tired of trying to be an achiever and perfect, or

if, as a private person, she'd been hiding signs of depression, anxiety, being upset for some years, while maintaining her beautiful appearance to the world, or

if whatever method she chose for dealing with the stresses of life and being a perfect girl led her to a bad place emotionally that (without professional help) she couldn't save herself from. At least she had her running for SOME help with moods, but I know those benefits are not long-lasting for anything more than a mild depression.

I don't know where she was at mentally and emotionally. All we have to go by are corroborated reports of her behavior in the days before she disappeared. Whatever "mood" she was in doesn't mean that ANYthing that happened was her fault or that anyone who hurt her shouldn't be severely punished.

Her state of mind just might help figure out how up-in-the-air her plans were, what she saw as her future (Bill/WTF talked knowledgeably about the not-so-pleasant realities of being an Army wife)... After 6 years on a military base I agree with much of what he said, and could add a lot more...

If there were things she just couldn't face that she wanted to escape from (unlikely she didn't call her loved ones in that case) that could affect her decisions...

It's hard for me to take as fact (even tho I want to) that Maura had a first accident 1-3 miles from the snowbank, as Weeper and other professionals believe, that something happened to Maura there, and that it probably wasn't her in the Saturn. That makes everything so complex. But without being told the evidence for this, how can we just BELIEVE it? Would it help if we were told they had DNA or other evidence which can't be detailed at this point that it wasn't Maura in the Saturn at the snowbank? I don't know.

Quija,

I do agree with most of your writings in your latest post (4581).

It seems fairly clear from the photographic evidence of Maura´s Saturn that the frontal damage to the car could not have occurred at the Weathered Barn curve, as the car apparently did not hit a tree there.
The car´s impact with a snowbank would be unlikely to cause that kind of damage.

I believe it has been said before that hitting a guard-rail or the overhang of a larger vehicle such as a truck, SUV or similar would be the most likely cause for the kind of frontal damage seen on Maura´s Saturn.
In that kind of condition the car could not have been driven very far in the darkness and likely without properly working headlights.
It is possible, though, that it might have been towed for some distance before ending up at the Weathered Barn curve, by accident or not.

Whether it was really Maura or not in the Saturn at that point is really anybody´s guess. I just don´t know what to believe or what would be most likely.

She did not hit the tree....this is truth..

Arrrr.....grrrrrr.....rAHHHHHH Hrrrrrr..........
Was being nose to nose with the car a way to keep people from noticing the front end damage? Or was that the reason for the damage? Bronco or schoolbus, who knows because
I can't imagine going out to the road and seeing this car like that for myself,~ that I'd come to the conclusion that the car hit a tree and/or some ice cold snow either. I'd be like hmmmmmm, what happened....the lights, the front end on an otherwise ok car just sitting here huh. I might think collision or hit and run, but he didn't. Instead CS focuses on the rag in the tailpipe that would seemingly take him much longer to see.......and reinforces the girl part to the Mrs. W-Man who had called saying there was a man there at the Saturn. At some point the Mrs. says she stopped looking when she saw butch with her. So to me, one more time, there had to be two people seen by her and she isn't supposed to elaborate. OR, she gave up like she says having beaten that issue into the ground.

Then to go on to say it was abandoned was pretty vague. Why be so tightlipped and try to say it hit things right there unless you think noone will ever question that. The looks of things alone should have been enough for him to know, unless he already knew and or needed more sleep. But even in the days that followed a picture was forming in everybody's mind, including his. He drew two deliberate set of marks and that report was kept that from public access for how long? The idea was to protect the investigation? Why push so hard on a suicide theory unless you're trying to distract from..? Why give gossip some credit when the CW himself says he does not know if it was a man or a woman rushing along. And where was CW really? At home, on his way home, watching TV or sleeping? Police waited how long to talk to any other people in the early days after the 'accident', CW included. The family went to people right away and yet he claims he really didn't know about it that much. I posted second hand knowledge awhile back about him saying he thought the accident happened at 1:00 am and that he was asleep on the couch. I really hope there's a reason for all this.

paris wrote:

Arrrr.....grrrrrr.....rAHHHHHH Hrrrrrr..........
Was being nose to nose with the car a way to keep people from noticing the front end damage? Or was that the reason for the damage? Bronco or schoolbus, who knows because I can't imagine going out to the road and seeing this car like that for myself,~ that I'd come to the conclusion that the car hit a tree and/or some ice cold snow either. I'd be like hmmmmmm, what happened....the lights, the front end on an otherwise ok car just sitting here huh. I might think collision or hit and run, but he didn't. Instead CS focuses on the rag in the tailpipe that would seemingly take him much longer to see.......and reinforces the girl part to the Mrs. W-Man who had called saying there was a man there at the Saturn. At some point the Mrs. says she stopped looking when she saw butch with her. So to me, one more time, there had to be two people seen by her and she isn't supposed to elaborate. OR, she gave up like she says having beaten that issue into the ground.

Paris, hi! As always your post made me think... It was an interesting point that Butch or an official vehicle pulling in nose to nose with the Saturn might have hidden the front-end damage from passing witnesses. Didn't think of that!

And "hitting the trees" wouldn't make sense to even someone who wasn't an accident reconstructionist who SAW the scene at the time.

The towel in the tailpipe ---- in the dark, with a quick look at the vehicle and the officer heading toward the 911 caller(s)--- would not necessarily been seen at a glance... I keep wondering if the officer had seen the car (and towel in the tailpipe) earlier, and the biggest problem here was LE not having taken active measures to protect the original driver, Maura, from what came next.

Paris --- do you think LE checked trees or poles on Old Peter's Road to see if any structure there on the left matched the damage? It seems the Saturn might have been driven head-in on Old Peter's Road and then backed out onto 112 on the eastbound side facing west. I'm sure that was checked out by LE and all the searchers...

I still can't get over CW not allowing search of his land/property...unless it has indeed since transpired and is part of witness
statements...and I assume that witnesses were/are warned not speak.
I can't quite believe that CW left Franconia...? from his job, at 7PMish and didn't get home until
after CS supposedly "cleared at 9:26"..DL ..?
His trailer that he lived in while doing construction on his house was in sight of the "incident" wasn't it..?
I asked before how far away it was...perhaps that is another bit of information not allowed to us..?

I dunno...but, if I came home and saw Town
vehicles buzzing around my street/home, I would find out what was goin' on. In a circumstance such as this I would expect a cop showing up in my driveway or at my door....with questions as to "did you see.....etc"

PS Someone here sometime mentioned as to why Maura
wouldn't go the home with toys in yard...in February, I doubt..unless there were sleds, a snowman, etc...AND,..I believe CW was a "weekend Father".....I am not sure of that.
Hard to believe that a Father wouldn't allow search...what if his child went missing...

Quija wrote:

FireCat, I "think" too you knew what I was getting at.
looking4amoose, IIRC the call was from an "on-campus" phone line which I've always interpreted to be a regular phone used for "internal" 4-digit calls. Never thought of an on-campus payphone.
Re: LE saying "the person who placed the call moved on"... to clarify, earlier I meant to ask if one possibility was a roommate or floormate (sharing a campus phone) with some student who wound up in the hospital and had to leave school for a while? This is stretching it, but with such vague answers to our questions, stretching it is what we have.

Um, I think I might have as well? But I'm not sure.

And yeah. I'm all about getting criminals out of public society. For a really, really, really long time. Hopefully I've never said anything to indicate otherwise.

Firecat,

Ever heard the words plead down, reduced charges/sentence, time served.........

I was also told just last week that a person who breaks into a home receives a tougher sentence than a person who takes indecent liberties with a child.

Just thinking out loud..........

Shack,

I'm listening.

Interesting stuff here lately (except 'caveman' who'll be getting a call from the Geico guys any second now, ha ha ha).

If I understand Weeper correctly - and I'm sure that I'll hear about it if I don't - the key piece of evidence for us to be looking at is CS' report.
Note that I said "evidence."

Shack, I agree completely about CW.

I think that Carla Baron is an opportunistic nut - so in this case, I agree with WTF, which strikes me as significant.

It is interesting, nonetheless, that it's being bandied about that it's so dificult to get rid of a body in the winter. I mean...for example, how frozen are sand pits? do people burn trash in barrels in their yards? swamps? wilderness?
The fact that a body has not been found is hardly "no evidence of foul play"

We keep acting like we don't have "any" facts - we DO have facts:

CS' report is a FACT - the fact that it exists in its official form is a fact. I am not referring to the content of that report as fact, since so much of it is conjecture.

Scarzina reported loudly to the media that they had found a suicide note - perhaps he said "we found a note...she was suicidal" meaning, "draw your own conclusions." Same thing.
He then declined to admit that that was not true.

It is a fact, as has been said many times, that the "accident" could not, in view of physics, have taken place as it is offically described in CS' report.

WE DO have facts.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Curious,
Thanks so much for researching and posting the article quoting Carla Baron.
Forgot the part about a sparsely wooded area, new construction,....

Your welcome. I just thought it was interesting information whether or not you believe in psychics or remote viewing. It is just like the post on Brian's Predictions--if you think his drawings/images could be any way liked to Maura than it might be useful to try to make sense of those images. I could only make out a few words in each picture but I guess that is a start...

There is not much to go on in this case...just a lot of gray areas-- the more help/information the better! even if it does sound kind of out there..

Quija wrote:

FireCat, I "think" too you knew what I was getting at.
looking4amoose, IIRC the call was from an "on-campus" phone line which I've always interpreted to be a regular phone used for "internal" 4-digit calls. Never thought of an on-campus payphone.

I went to Umass for a year--she lived in Southwest bulding which I think is where she was working that night when she got the phone call. I know there are a few pay phones around campus but most of them are in the student union. However, there would be no reason for a student to use a pay phone. They have cell phones and calling from the dorms are so much easier.

The person most likely called from a campus phone because the pay phones would not show up with the same type of number. When you call from the dorm it shows up with the Amherst area code (413)545..and whatever the dorm number is. I am pretty sure the campus police could differentiate between a call coming from a campus dorm room and a pay phone call.

Curious wrote:

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Your welcome. I just thought it was interesting information whether or not you believe in psychics or remote viewing. It is just like the post on Brian's Predictions--if you think his drawings/images could be any way liked to Maura than it might be useful to try to make sense of those images. I could only make out a few words in each picture but I guess that is a start...
There is not much to go on in this case...just a lot of gray areas-- the more help/information the better! even if it does sound kind of out there..

Could someone please post the link to these drawings? TIA.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Could someone please post the link to these drawings? TIA.

Lady Gray,

Here is a segment from a post a few days ago...it includes the images of Brian's predictions. Like I said in the previous posts...his images have often been very true and his details of what he saw are very realistic to what happened. Whoever is interested needed to see the links of the Missing People who were found...his pictures and what he has said about every case has often been true

"I might be grasping at straws don't really care but he posts his dreams whatever they may be and he draws pictures of what he sees...he also includes all the emails from family members, friends and any case that is ongoing..there are sections for missing people and solved missing people cases

Anyway, there is a whole section on Maura and what he believes may have happened...it relates to what Clara Baron had said about her being abducted by a young man in his late 20's early 30's...I know some of you may think this is far fetched but I figured there might be some that are interested in stuff like this

The first link is about who he is and what he does

http://www.briansprediction.com/

This next link is about Maura- it also seems like Helena Murray contacted him about her case too...he seems to believe a police officer may be connected in her disappearance

http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings014.h ...

This last link is pictures that he had drawn after his dreams...there are several pictures

http://briansdreams.com/helpwanted/Maura%20Mu ...