Where is MAURA MURRAY

OH MY wrote:

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I will be willing to say your involved in the disappearance of Maura and Brianna...

Shows how ignorant YOU ARE, because "reminder" is my non registered topix name.

I feel like a guest at the Mad Tea Party!

OH MY wrote:

In my opinion Maura met a horrrible death by a person who is part of a group of misfits in the area, I REALLY DONT KNOW WHO DID IT, I do have an idea though who they are though, a real good idea.....
I was also told all about it by one of the murderers.

did they ever tell you the location that they abducted Maura from?

Active profiling as allowed by the Department of Justice includes covert alteration of the environment to observe the responses of a suspect. This can be used to check whether the suspect's behavior fits the profile…”

“Covert alteration of the environment” in the Maura Murray case goes like this:

They will send you emails containing so-called “connotatively neutral” words, just to check whether your behavior fits the profile. They will pretend to be a friendly or antagonistic poster on various discussion boards, just to check whether your behavior fits the profile. They will follow you night and day without concealing their surveillance, just to check whether your behavior fits the profile. They will persuade your friends, family, and neighbors to avoid speaking with you, just to check whether your behavior fits the profile. They will financially ruin you by sabotaging your successful and entirely legal business, just to check whether your behavior fits the profile. They will persuade your wife to divorce you and they will persuade your entire family, including your grandchildren, to suddenly move hundreds of miles away without saying goodbye by telling them that you are a child pornographer, just to check whether your behavior fits the profile. They will badger you endlessly, pushing you over the edge, just to check whether your behavior fits the profile. And when you finally commit suicide or go on a cop-killing spree, they will conclude that your behavior did indeed fit the profile.

Covert alteration of the environment often multiplies the tragedy of the original crime instead of solving it.

Just ask the family of the young man who was questioned viciously by members of the Massachusetts State Police Behavioral Science Unit about the disappearance of his friend, Molly Bish. Although he was entirely innocent, police suggested that if he did not confess he would be tried and convicted for her abduction and murder. He became so terrified that he killed himself.

If the Murray family does not want something like that to happen again, let them prove it by muzzling their attack dogs, ending their use of multiple phony poster ID’s, ending their absurd efforts at offender profiling, and severing any relationship with the wildly irresponsible and intimidating private investigators whose “volunteer” efforts only conceal the true origin of the crime, not solve it.

By the way, the former head of the MSP Behavioral Science Unit that drove that young man to suicide is now a PI in the Amherst/Northampton area. He has worked extensively with a partner in an Amherst law firm who represents two interesting people. One client is someone closely connected both to what seems to be the mystery gallery frequently referred to on the MMM board and to a militant anti-abortion group located next to the mystery gallery. The other client is an extremely wealthy person whose family’s business interests in the medical industry might benefit by the abduction of young female athlete/scholars like Molly Bish, Maura Murray, and Lindsey Ferguson. This second client is also a close friend of the owner of Mt. Stowe (800-GOSTOWE), a resort phoned by Maura Murray shortly before she disappeared – or by someone using her phone. This second client is also a friend of the head of the Randolph Foundation, which not long ago donated a large sum to the Randolph Mountain Club, of which Lt. John Scarinza is a leading member.

Potentially relevant relationships like these deserve as much scrutiny as any bus driver or construction worker. Maybe more.

Clay soup....

I have to agree with you that these other people need to be looked at seriously. There is more corruption up here than in some cities. Blind eyes see no problems.....

YO

Claysoup, that's all very intersting info and a good reminder not to go after potentially innocent people..........

LE and SBD went looking for 'Maura' that night and what they had to report was deliberately misleading. The Construction Worker tells such and such to so and so until the LE hold his story up for the world as if to say: Maura was trying to hurry off 5 miles away from the 'scene of the crime'....so 'see, there was no crime'. But you don't want to hear that now, do you.....nobody does and they want this to be forgotten, I just don't think this bunch will give up until the truth is told.

Where did this problem start? Well, it could be related to anything I think was your last point. But the fact of the matter is this "accident" was a cover to something.

just me wrote:

Claysoup, that's all very intersting info and a good reminder not to go after potentially innocent people..........
LE and SBD went looking for 'Maura' that night and what they had to report was deliberately misleading. The Construction Worker tells such and such to so and so until the LE hold his story up for the world as if to say: Maura was trying to hurry off 5 miles away from the 'scene of the crime'....so 'see, there was no crime'. But you don't want to hear that now, do you.....nobody does and they want this to be forgotten, I just don't think this bunch will give up until the truth is told.
Where did this problem start? Well, it could be related to anything I think was your last point. But the fact of the matter is this "accident" was a cover to something.

Yes, I believe the accident was a cover to something!

There are some facts about Maura’s disappearance, especially the crash scene on 112, that I cannot find online. I apologize for any errors, factual or logical.

Assuming Maura was abducted, it was either planned or opportunistic.

If opportunistic, then SBD is not likely to have committed it. Even someone with the most disorganized personality - someone easily recognized by a large percentage of the local population - would not impulsively abduct a woman almost in front of his own house, in full view of his neighbors (even if it was dark), on a state highway, while driving a bright yellow school bus. Unless NH does not require background checks for school bus drivers, or he falsified his SBD application, he probably does not have a history of violence.

If Maura’s abduction was opportunistic, but committed by someone else, then SBD likely would have had no reason to lie, assuming it can be shown that he did, in fact, lie. Or, if the abduction was opportunistic and SBD did lie, it was at the urgent request of someone else at the scene, which seems possible, but still unlikely. It probably would have come out by now.

If SBD did lie – and not at the request of an opportunistic abductor – then he probably played a part in an abduction planned well in advance because it depended on his being at the crash scene at a specific time. Since someone who is more or less an employer of SBD, several levels up the corporate ladder, lives in Amherst MA and is a member of a family very close financially and socially to the family of the wealthy client of the Amherst law firm that I mentioned in a previous post, it’s very possible that SBD was using his vehicle to control the traffic behind him; and possibly in the oncoming direction, too, by making a stop as if to let off a student. This might have shielded the placement of Maura’s car.

If Maura’s abduction was planned this far in advance, then there seem to be only two possibilities. One, someone knew Maura was on her way north and felt comfortable she would choose a specific route; she was abducted on her way or after her arrival and her car moved to the crash scene. This option also seems unlikely. There probably would have been some kind of communication accompanying a trip like this, which could have been tracked, and its timing could not have been easily predicted in order for SBD to have participated.

Two, she was abducted in Massachusetts, probably near UMass, because it was apparently not known by anyone that she was leaving Amherst, therefore her destination and timing could not have been predicted, therefore no part for SBD to play, therefore probably no reason for him to lie.

So, if SBD lied, then the scenario of a planned abduction that probably occurred near UMass is not unrealistic. If SBD told the truth, that rules him out.

Local Yocal wrote:

Clay soup....
I have to agree with you that these other people need to be looked at seriously. There is more corruption up here than in some cities. Blind eyes see no problems.....
YO

I agree

Alice wrote:

I feel like a guest at the Mad Tea Party!

Don 't feel alone!!

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>did they ever tell you the location that they abducted Maura from?

No but I believe it was A bar in woodsville or at least it started at a BAR!!!!!!!!!

claysoup wrote:

There are some facts about Maura’s disappearance, especially the crash scene on 112, that I cannot find online. I apologize for any errors, factual or logical.
Assuming Maura was abducted, it was either planned or opportunistic.
If opportunistic, then SBD is not likely to have committed it. Even someone with the most disorganized personality - someone easily recognized by a large percentage of the local population - would not impulsively abduct a woman almost in front of his own house, in full view of his neighbors (even if it was dark), on a state highway, while driving a bright yellow school bus. Unless NH does not require background checks for school bus drivers, or he falsified his SBD application, he probably does not have a history of violence.
If Maura’s abduction was opportunistic, but committed by someone else, then SBD likely would have had no reason to lie, assuming it can be shown that he did, in fact, lie. Or, if the abduction was opportunistic and SBD did lie, it was at the urgent request of someone else at the scene, which seems possible, but still unlikely. It probably would have come out by now.
If SBD did lie – and not at the request of an opportunistic abductor – then he probably played a part in an abduction planned well in advance because it depended on his being at the crash scene at a specific time. Since someone who is more or less an employer of SBD, several levels up the corporate ladder, lives in Amherst MA and is a member of a family very close financially and socially to the family of the wealthy client of the Amherst law firm that I mentioned in a previous post, it’s very possible that SBD was using his vehicle to control the traffic behind him; and possibly in the oncoming direction, too, by making a stop as if to let off a student. This might have shielded the placement of Maura’s car.
If Maura’s abduction was planned this far in advance, then there seem to be only two possibilities. One, someone knew Maura was on her way north and felt comfortable she would choose a specific route; she was abducted on her way or after her arrival and her car moved to the crash scene. This option also seems unlikely. There probably would have been some kind of communication accompanying a trip like this, which could have been tracked, and its timing could not have been easily predicted in order for SBD to have participated.
Two, she was abducted in Massachusetts, probably near UMass, because it was apparently not known by anyone that she was leaving Amherst, therefore her destination and timing could not have been predicted, therefore no part for SBD to play, therefore probably no reason for him to lie.
So, if SBD lied, then the scenario of a planned abduction that probably occurred near UMass is not unrealistic. If SBD told the truth, that rules him out.

Ok now there is a woman who knows the truth and she owned a bar in woodsville N.H. Right now she is trying to keep a low profile!!!!

Lower Slower Delaware wrote:

<quoted text>Shows how ignorant YOU ARE, because "reminder" is my non registered topix name.

That makes so much sence that I am going to copy and paste that to my desktop lol..

OH MY wrote:

"No but I believe it was A bar in woodsville or at least it started at a BAR!!!!!!!!! "

"Ok now there is a woman who knows the truth and she owned a bar in woodsville N.H. Right now she is trying to keep a low profile!!!!"

This is EXACTLY what we are saying about you OH MY, you are a posting contradiction. You just keep throwing enough crap against the wall hoping something will stick.

So which is it you believe it started at a bar or a woman owns a bar and that is where it started?

BY the way it's SENSE not sence

Was it a rat I saw, writing on a wonderful Russian mirror?

OH MY wrote:

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Ok now there is a woman who knows the truth and she owned a bar in woodsville N.H. Right now she is trying to keep a low profile!!!!

It seems that you know a lot of people that know the truth about many things. Funny how no one else knows these people except for you.
I've lived here a long time and I know of no women that owned a bar in Woodsville that is keeping a low profile.
What was the name of the bar Oh My. Inquiring minds would like to know.

After reporting to Mr. Marx in Bangor, they rode through Aroostook County together.

Here's what I think about Maura's car where it was. We have neighbors who saw a car back up parallel to the road. Claysoup, don't you think if a big yellow bus was there too, the neighbors would have said that.

And then there's the big sound that prompts the other neighbors to look outside their window. They see a car with flashers going.....then they see SBD out there "with the girl" so they stop looking at that point. They still call police however and are the first to get through.

Meanwhile the other neighbor notes that SBD drove to his home 100 yards up the road and backed his bus in. Neighbor thought that was unusual and that he stayed on the bus for a long time. Neihbor just assumed SBD was calling 911 from the bus. SBD's call came after the closest to the 'accident', neighbors. Whatever anybody says they didn't have to tell stories and pretend they didn't know it was a "girl" that night,~ unless there was an alterior motive. Like she was already ran over 20 minutes prior or abducted after being ran off the road for example. Then what seems to make sense is driving her car into another jurisdiction. There was a red truck hanging around, evidently eyeing at least one person walking on foot near the store Maura may have passed if we just knew for sure what direction she was travelling and if it was even her at that point!. There was an official looking unmarked car there too where Maura's car was found. Finding the rag was upsetting to the responding officer, he went looking for "the girl, the one with the rag in her tailpipe", like that's going to jog my memory. Yet to the family, he had no idea who was driving, it could be a snowmobiler for all he knew and he said that. For all I know that car was supposed to make it down somebodys driveway and not stop, back up parellel to the road and/or back up/slam, into the trees/snowbank....

Nah, it looks like someone had some time to buy that's why a witness protection program made sense at one point. The way everyone but the witnesses lied about the girl/no girl, was.....was....like bad acting. JMO

1. Is Haverhill in Grafton County?

2. Did SBD have any hobbies?

Thanks.

If the MMM board were truly interested in solving Maura’s disappearance, they would act more like an organized team of selfless civilian investigators than a bunch of catty gossips and cowardly vigilantes.

They would have created a clear, consistent, and useful timeline – a gold-standard of reference, not one that is as wild and confusing as the statements they claim, here and there, were made by the many “witnesses” they themselves criticize for inaccuracy. There is little difference between outright lies and a sloppy assembly of known facts - both are misleading. If they really wanted to solve Maura’s disappearance, they would tolerate a diversity of responsible opinion, but they steadfastly reject and ridicule it with smart remarks about smoking materials and tin foil hats.

They instantly resort to alley fights instead of dispassionate debate. Their PI intimidates the public with his gun-waving posts. They deliberately misquote, misinterpret, and twist out of context the many constructive ideas offered them. They stubbornly resist all attempts to discover what occurred in Maura’s life before she left Amherst, despite strong indications that her abduction originated there.

They have spent more time talking about their drinking habits and private lives than discussing any sound research they could have conducted. They have failed, after four years, to organize their effort in any meaningful way. They have no leadership, no individual or team responsibilities, no goals, no direction. They wander aimlessly over the same ground because they have no checklist of any kind.

By going nowhere in four years, they have done absolutely nothing to convince the public that help is deserved. They ask for it, but they set a no example. They resemble more closely a totalitarian state’s disinformation machine than a progressive and disciplined search for the truth. By putting such a nasty public face on such an obviously shallow attempt to discover Maura Murray’s fate, they have reduced enormously any help they or law enforcement can expect from the public.

What could possibly be more effective in concealing the truth?