Where is MAURA MURRAY

elsewhere...my designer line "search wear" collection is coming out this fall.....

Have been straining my memory..I know that the quarry on Lily Pond Rd.was drained AFTER Conrad was murdered in his driveway at Lily Pond Rd.
He was killed October 2005. It had to be Spring/Summer 2006 because I was up there. I do not drive Lily Pond Rd. between Nov. and May.....
Whether or not there were or have been fire trucks there since then, I dunno.

Found this...don't know why I saved it...don't remember who originated it in first
Forum Spring 2005

It is correct that for the past few weeks there have been very persistent rumors coming to us out of NH that not only were searches conducted in more than one area, but that a female’s remains had been found. A family member of Maura’s had been told that Maura had been found in Haverhill, NH. Another family member called Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams who said that no body
had been found in Haverhill and placed in the April 27, 2005 issue of the Journal Opinion
Newspaper was a small article entitled “Rumor” where Chief Williams states no body has been found in Haverhill, and Maura Murray’s whereabouts are still unknown. There is a consistency in the areas searched that have been mentioned to us by a number of different people, particularly three areas.

We have been contacted by people saying that not only were NHSP involved but that at one such search a federal black SUV was parked. This was on a Wednesday. This is the search that we were told that excavating was going on. Supposedly there were a hundred or so people milling
around. The area was blocked off and crime scene tape was seen. By the following Friday (30 Apr 2005, I believe) we were informed that other federal cars had been in and around the area.
Interestingly enough, one person had written to us saying that “dog training exercises” were going on.
(I am assuming that by the "we" it was a family member..Helena.?Sharon.? or..?)

Mcsmom was the first one to come to my aid when I was feeling my wayinto my/the First Forum...answering my questions. I would give her the business cuz she was always on the move...
I told her that if she paid her rent on time she wouldn't have be on the go. Without the kindness from strangers, wonder if I would have made it. You all know who you are.
Dear Beth was the strangest ;-]:-[

WTF wrote:

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FIRECAT! Your going to offend my delicate sensibilities’.
<quoted text>
Well I’ll tell you what would really alarm me would be that you would actually know that off the top of your head. I am glad to hear you were just reading up on it. I’d hate to think your head is filled with that information while walking around.
;-)
Bill

Prepared to be very afraid. I don't know THAT useless info off the top of my head, but plenty of OTHER similarly useless info.

:-)

Sorry I offended those delicate sensibilities of yours, btw wtf.(beholding the irony as we speak, lol)

oh Shack, shucks....yes, I'm shocked...:O
hey... how about if we market some of your
"eau de Gnats" for the fashionably conscious searcher?
(Or is it just Jameson's in a fancy bottle?)

That would pay the rent....

Ladies and gentlemen of the message board - I'm just a crazy caveman. Your spelling frightens and confuse me. When my neighbors, the three fates start talking like the three wiches from Mc Beth, I wonder are they spies for Al Gore? I don't know - I'm just a caveman. But there is one thing I do know - that when Zeus's daughter was tricked into eating 6 pomegranite seeds, it had an environmental impact, causing 6 months of the year to be bad for growing wheat.

Thank You

Maura packed her car with her personal belongings
and drove North to NH. Her car, with her personal
belongings, was found on 112 Woodsville/Bath.
The car was locked and she was gone.
There were 4 households within sight. There were
an approximate 8 adults in these 4 homes.
Do not recall how many Town workers, PD,FD,EMs
were at the scene..don't recall a head count..
plus one SP, and another neighbor walking.
As far as I can recall all neighbors talked to
police...shouldn't assume, I guess,that all
statements were/are "in print"...even so, I
wonder if those statements are as "accurate"
as is the DL.

Weeper, et.al,

Another question I have been meaning to ask for some time now and it may tie in with Shacks question. The reference on the bottom of the second page of Sgt. CS written report in the Gist to "SEE HPD case #04-179 OF for further details." Now I'm not any kind of expert but I wonder if OF is a report written by another officer. In any event it is clear there is other documentation in the case but I assume that it is not released?

Bill

Bill,
#04-179 OF would indicate that the HPD uses IMC brand data collection and case management software. OF is short for Offense. This looks like the default numbering system. You can't tell if it was by another officer or not with the information given.

Lt Tragg wrote:

Bill,
#04-179 OF would indicate that the HPD uses IMC brand data collection and case management software. OF is short for Offense. This looks like the default numbering system. You can't tell if it was by another officer or not with the information given.

Thanks for that. I wasn't sure so I appreciate you clearing that up. Clearly though there is at least one case file that I assume has more, maybe lots more information, that isn't displayed, correct?

Bill

I should also mention that I agree with your belief that it is using the default numbering. 04 representing 2004 and probably the 179th case number.

Bill

Shack,

Thanks for posting/typing that info on searches. Hmm,(3) areas seem to be the focus. That jumped out at me.

Mcsmom,

Did you know that you spearheaded the name 'Pointy Boot Brigade'? Will hope that you have at least one pair of pointy boots in your fall search wear collection.

Unfrozen Caveman,

Why am I starting to get the impression that you have something against women?

WTF,

Excellent question.

Something else that has kinda bugged me. It has been mentioned here on Topix, as well as the previous Maura Forum, words to the effect that we
still go on discussing Maura's fate. Yes, at this point, it's been about 46 months
of "what ifs". I feel and wonder that if some are disgusted, discouraged..whatever..
by those who hang in there, and continue on, why do they care if we do?
What harm are we doing..? I see it as keeping the crime out in the open as apposed to forgetaboutit....If this crime had been in my town and/or my daughter, I would be grateful that some care enough to stick around.
Forgetting about crime...not mentioning crime..doesn't mean it didn't happen and it will "just go away". Sweeping it all under the rug makes for lumpy carpeting. I don't want Maura to be another lump.

Elsewhere, don't understand your "cave" words...I didn't see anything here about a cave...just some lonely sicko crap talk...cover your eyes/ears and hum loud...this hopefully will pass (not worthy of lol)

Oh ..yeh, that Posting was somewhat vague...as was so much of any information posted in that time period.

Mcsmom, the attire for the woods up there is a cap with drop down sexy netting veil to shoulders..very alluring to the flying teeth and
mosquitos..

THE FINDING OF REMAINS WOULDN'T BE HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC, WOULD IT?

looking4amoose wrote:

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Wasn't there some sort of "exercise" or "drill"--maybe in conjunction with a CERT team or EMA in the Lily Pond area also?

Several above posts mentioned this -- as well as rumors re remains being found... I'm rattled after reading the possibility "remains" were found in 2005 potentially related to Maura and that this (rumored, speculated) info has been withheld for some ridiculous reason for 3+ years.

S--t!!!! There have to have been local town leaks regarding this search (oh, I mean, "exercise") and its findings! Anyone who lives locally remember what happened back then and what was said about it? Was it really just an exercise? You can post anonymously here anything you've heard. If there was a "blackout" on some search findings, that's pretty scary!

Quija, you asked a question to/for any area citizens who know/knew about the Spring 2005 search, exercises, excavation, whatever the term that was used. I had just joined the first Maura Forum. So all I knew was from the Forum. There were ones from the Haverhill area who called Helena irectly to give her what information that they had gleaned. Helena, then in turn, would write on the Forum only what she deemed necessary
and not detrimental to the case or to the family based on legalities.

I would be surprised if any information, to Topix, to you, came from any area citizens. I think they wish we would all go away. I think that they are sick and tired of hearing about MMM. Some are angry cuz we are still here. Some are offended and some are defensive.
I can only hope they are open with Weeper.

I have copies of old Posts from some area citizens...don't really want to copy/paste them but...so just a bit of ...follows: A resident/witness in the 112 area, during that time,'04 moved away and didn't join Forum until after October 2006. This person was asked if the owners of the store would join the Forum. Answer was "No,they were having too much fun reading the Forum......." Another Poster wrote that the ones questioned could have..would have answered more questions if they didn't have such closed minds.(actually if they had "open" minds.) Add to that Westman's having the HPD write/file to Fred regarding "No Trespassing"...And, the reason that I joined up...area citizens saying "there was a man going around Town being a PIA looking for his missing daughter"....Can you imagine that..?

There is a different mind set up there..I really only notice when I get up there and then again when I return home...Hard to explain. Simple examples...everybody knows she had a child without
being married,. OR she/he married a woman/man who had been divorced. OR He/she has een "foolin' around with....I do realize that some of the above is part of some people's lives....and I do
realize that some things are NOT discussed but.but.lawd help ya if it is mentioned. Then I hear the words "HE got what he deserved..I saw his truck stay overnight at her house"....
I don't understand...but, I don't have to. Kinda makes me sad though cuz Piermont and Bradford were a big part of my childhood/adult life.

The above was not written with any malice...just from life experiences there. If one is from/lives there.they don't know any difference.

PS Before I sent this Post, I went over to "Patric's Topix, just to check it
out ..talk about malice,..? Lady Gray, please consider the source and remember we know exactly where you are coming from....out of the
darkness into reality..As I mentioned above, defensive/offensive. Beautiful state, angry people. Seems it is the "NH Way"

Shack,

Here's a quote from Wowzer. I'm thankful Lady Gray spoke up and stood her ground.

"May I remind the few that have issues with the people and the state and are so unhappy with NH that 93 and 91 go two ways. If you are so unhappy you can always get in your car and head south with no need to look back."

Ouch, I got into my car and headed south.

So, I guess I'm supposed to write off my family, my lifelong friends, a mortgage, and taxes? Yeah right!

OK folks - I admit I'm not a Caveman. Mystery solved. But wouldn't be nice if the answers were so simple a Neanderthal could make a simple arguement and we'd know the truth - or if a Greek deity could tell us Maura is still alive and happy.
But the Greek myths are now all dead - with one exception - Pandora's box still contains one creature - hope.
Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer's Sock Puppet

WTF wrote:

Weeper, et.al,
Another question I have been meaning to ask for some time now and it may tie in with Shacks question. The reference on the bottom of the second page of Sgt. CS written report in the Gist to "SEE HPD case #04-179 OF for further details." Now I'm not any kind of expert but I wonder if OF is a report written by another officer. In any event it is clear there is other documentation in the case but I assume that it is not released?
Bill

Bill,

You are correct, there is an additional report with details and you are also correct that this second report is not open to public viewing. As to the Case Number...if you look at the top of page one of the Accident Report in the "LOCAL USE" box you see 04-15-AC...the year (04) the number of the incident (15) and the type of incident (AC=accident. When applying this coding sequince to the HPD Case #04-179-OF, the OF=offense. I take this coding system to indicate that by Feb.9, 2004 there were 15 vehicle accidents and 179 criminal offenses committed in Haverhill to that date. Busy little town up there for that time of the year. Hope this answers your question, Bill.

Respectfully,
Weeper

Response to #4692

Thanks Weeper. Considering it was only February it does sound busy. I didn't know about the suffix codes so thanks Weeper and Lt Tragg for that information.

In response to #4688 about the not releasing "facts" that remains were found. I think it unlikely that the police would not disclose that unless they didn't know who the person was or they didn't want to spook a suspect. If Maura was found and I have absolutely no doubt that they could identify even the smallest amount of her remains. I personally cannot think of a reason to hide that from the public. But that isn't my profession so there might be reasons I can't think of. Maybe Lt Tragg and/or Weeper can think of other reasons.

Bill

To all,

I should have read LT Tragg's response prior to posting with reference to HPD IMC data-system. As to any/all searches done (or to be done)by the State or by our Team. At no time will any search organization give advance notice to the public as to the areas plotted to be searched, ever. Unless the object of the search is discovered, the public will not be told the results or locations of those searches when completed. Even when we organized the two-day search back in 2006, only those Team Leaders in the "Operations Room" knew where they were going to be dispatched, all the searchers where informed when they arrived at thier grid-locations. Those who attended that search will recall they were seperated from everyone else in the Operations Room downstairs at the Ski Lodge. Remember, those responsible for this disappearence are in the public and until they are behind bars the public will not be informed about what is or is not being investigated.

Respectfully,
Weeper