Where is MAURA MURRAY

Well Weeper did encourage people to
think out of the box!

Keep thinking some different at least!

Saturnus wrote:

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So, do you believe that the Society of Cincinnati is involved? If so how high up do you think the chain reaches? G.H.W.B.? Or do you think it could be some kind of less powerful, loosely organized, cultish knock-off?
Do you know of anyone whom lives in Pike that has a connection to Bohemian Grove?
Sorry to the rest of the board for straying so far off topic. Perhaps this discussion should continue in another forum.

I'm fine. I'm not comfortable with the items about personal details being posted.
It's not likely coincidence if I am NOT the only poster this has happened to. Coincidence my a$$. Yes, I think the people I speak of ARE dangerous. If someone has the ability to find out who an anonymous poster on this board is, I find that concerning.
It's just abusing technology. I understand It's not hard for someone who knows what they're doing as my friend in computer forensics informs me. It happens often I guess. The only thing I ever worried about was viruses through e-mails, but there's a lot more out there.
Search from the original spelling of Agapae.
No, A, the discussion IS about Maura. It's just a theory not yet discussed. Sometimes, it makes more sense to go backwards first. I did not see mention of Maura on a board prior to her missing.
I did not contribute to web boards or even the discussion of missing persons cases until Maura's disappearance. If my theory holds water though, it is there in someone's archives. Molly's board maybe?
A, I have no idea what you are speaking of, and I have no other conspiracy theories other than the one concerning Maura and possible links to missing/murdered/abducted/atte mpted abductions in NH, MA, and VT.

White Wash wrote:

Well Weeper did encourage people to
think out of the box!
Keep thinking some different at least!
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It's so far out of the box that it's in another time-zone. And, in my opinion, doesn't help find Maura or her abductor. I'll listen to it anyway out of courtesy.

O.K. there's one tiny little problemo.

For the past four years I've had the opportunity to objectively observe countless level II & III Sex Offenders. I'll admit I'm not so objective anymore. My opinions are strong and for good reason. I don't feel the laws and sentencing are harsh enough.

Firstly, the vast majority of them either deny it or turn it around to make themselves appear the victims. They will go as far as to say the child/victim came on to them!

We are dealing with the weakest and most cowardly lot amidst society. That's why the prey on the weeker - woman and children.

Don't you think for one second that if they had a scapegoat - someone/an organized group/gang/cult paid them money or made them do it as a part of an initiation - we'd be hearing about it?

Maybe you're on to something but it's just way too over my head I guess.

Oh and we do hear about it. There are gang initiations that do consist of this type of activity. Charlotte, NC is the mecca for gang activity and has a higher crime rate than L.A. & New York.

Down here in North Carolina there are periodic newspaper articles that touch on the subject. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist but again I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around it all I guess.

Elsewherebriefly wrote:
"Cave Dude,
There was mention/discussion at one time about there being tool marks on the tree with the blue bow. It was suggested that the tool marks were put there to make it appear the Saturn hit it."

Problem I have with coming up with a possibility - is that I don't know if the Saturn was driveable - then became undriveable - still is driveable - etc.

Since the tree I presume might shed its bark, I don't know if electron microscopy of it could give a clue as to what caused it. Maybe a fast impact would cause small metal debris to be embedded in there. But it would be more conclusive if it were done early.

A question about the trees - that I have not seen - their size. An engineer could come up with a number for the amount of force required to knock them down - similary to damage them internally but not break them. If the trees are so large what I'm saying is laughable - I don't know. Is it possible that a car could hit the trees with enough force to cause internal damage - yes - but someone else with more engineering knowledge would have to say if if was worth it (or possible) to maybe X-Ray the trees? Seems silly though - and whose to say another accident happened.

I also don't know enough about the size of the marks you mention (but still lack the tools and education to make any determination)

Its not a bad idea to look at.

On the other hand - looking at the hood of the car at a molecular level with an electron microscope could be revealing.

I can imagine some useful things regarding this - I hope - but weather they will be - is beyond my knowledge.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Cave Dude,
There was mention/discussion at one time about there being tool marks on the tree with the blue bow. It was suggested that the tool marks were put there to make it appear the Saturn hit it. I believe Citigirl brought it up but couldn't remember the type of tool used to make the marks.
Not to mention the placement of a pair of underwear at the base of the tree two summers ago.
Half Moon,
If it's any consolation, I never once thought any of those things about you. You've been both a pleasant and positive attribute on this forum.

there was a small knick in one of the trees where the blue ribbon was hung. These are not the trees that Maura's vehicle was located at. Her vehicle was located closer to M's house.

http://www.massfreemasonry.org/index.tpl... \&ng_view=93&ng_id=24
I have good friends who are Masons, so I am not insinuating this has anything to do w/ them, This person/persons may have something against the Masons as part of their code appears Masonic. Not only that, look at all of the cases in MA that have the letters W, and M in them. LE pointed this out, not me. WM stands for Worshipful Master in the Freemasons.(A Freemason friend pointed that out) Maura Murray. Woodsville, Brianna Maitland, Montgomery, Molly Bish, Warren. There are others, I believe the info about this is on Molly Bish's site.
Henry Knox was a Freemason.
Maybe someone wasn't welcomed to join the Masons or asked to leave? I don't know. I do know my friends who are Masons do a world of good for others.
Anyone familiar w/ numerology? I'm not, but have done a little research on it. Take a look at the dates these women went missing and see if you can find any common factors.

Where's Ben Franklin when you need him? He was a Mason too. I haven't seen him post lately. Beeennnn, are you out there????? A?

Hey, I know someone whose wife was a Mary C. Did you know Henry Knox's mother was also Mary C?

Hey, you left the breadcrumbs............Don't blame me for putting the tidbits together..........

Cave Dude, The trees that the blue ribbom are on are about a foot wide, and we now know those were not the trees the Saturn hit. Also it looks to me like a snow plow slice. This isn't much in these days of unanswered questions but thought I could answer a couple minor ones.

1Anne wrote:

Cave Dude, The trees that the blue ribbom are on are about a foot wide, and we now know those were not the trees the Saturn hit. Also it looks to me like a snow plow slice. This isn't much in these days of unanswered questions but thought I could answer a couple minor ones.

Did the Saturn hit trees?

Belief 1:The cases mentioned are linked
Belief 2: Not only 1 person is responsible
Belief 3:Pedophiles and men guilty of sex crimes appear to be committing these acts (The ones caught anyway)
Belief 4: The women/ children are being trafficked either in film of them being violated or the victims physically brought to other places.

I cannot explain what common factor these offenders have other than maybe they are being paid to do what they would do anyway. I believe there is a 'watcher' from reading those e-mails concerning Brooke Bennett who has people believing that real harm will come to them and their families should they not do what is asked of them. MAYBE these perps who are generally cowardly anyway are simply MORE fearful of this person/group than they are of prison.
Maybe if someone can freak out members of this board by knowing details of their life pretty difficult to gain without surveillance, they did the same to the perps of the crimes, effectively letting them know they can get to them wherever they are as well as their loved ones..........
Maybe that is why a witness lied???

White Wash, that didn't sound like an apology. Apologies don't go on to say how it's too bad that the person you're apologizing to was wrong, deluded, etc. Whatever. My bad for saying that there have EVER been any criminals, caught or not, in Grafton County.
On other fronts, I suppose that involvement by a heinous not-so-secret society is not impossible, but I just don't see any facts to support it at all.
Yes, I see posting of private information about any individual on this forum as a threat. Since it's in this forum, it isn't unreasonable to assume that it's directed at those trying to find Maura. It could be "random" but does not look random to me.

I cannot believe I am going to respond to Grammar's references to my intentions. I can assure you that I dont care about your life details. When I referred to bikes going up and down Rte 125, it was about me, not you. I live within earshot of 125. I USED to live in Exeter. It is NOT hard to know that is where you are UNLESS, the Exeter, NH underneath Grammar Check does not mean Exeter, NH. I dont have to be a terrorist to figure that out. I found it very interesting that your original accusitory post started out asking me about paying MA taxes or something, being friendly, then the last sentence accuses me of things that I would never have imagined, just from trying to help out here! IF you had checked me out from my first post, you would have seen that I was very up front about where I was, NOT that it is any of your business! I only wish I was a technologically skilled as you claim I am. Please, have your "people" check me out! So, if the fact that I can hear bikes on 125 from my living room, and noticing that your posts say Exeter, and then someone who obviously knows the area mentions Raymond, NH, and I am also guilty of terrorism because my route to work on the coast takes me down 125 and through Exeter on 101, is odd to you, than I have a word for you! Paranoia! Or is it just that you wanted the entire board to focus on you today, as you have so skillfully taken over the board.

When I look back over my posts, I realized how much personal information I have given about myself. If that information was mentioned back to me later on the board, I would not think I had a staulker, just someone paying attention! YOU are the one who mentioned how big your house lot is or whatever you said that no one cares about. My lot is less than half an acre.........NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!

To the rest of you. I apologize for the distraction. I came here as someone who was in my living room one evening and looking different things up and saw this site, and then got the courage to make a couple observations re: the damage on the car, etc...

Please do whatever research you need to do, but I need to prove myself to no one. Again I am sorry so much time was spent on this nonsense. I dont spend all day reading this, as you all can tell. A lot of things I just skimmed over. BUT, since Grammar would like to compare cases, let me say one thing before I go.

After reading some posts here, I looked at some of the other cases. Correct me if I am wrong, but was there a case in VT, either the Sinclairs or Brianna Maitland, that one of their relatives last name was Murray? Or was it another Vermont missing persons? It was definitely a male though, with the last name Murray. I cannot put common factors together as well as Grammar, but I do remember seeing that name, when I looked at something else related to a missing person.

Sophie,
That's why it is theory. I have followed trails to places and things I'd rally rather not be aware of. Most of those things I found right here on Topix and links put right here. As someone mentioned an Abenaki saying about "hiding in plain sight"

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Oh and by the way, Firecat is the queen of knowing and keeping the facts straight. I thought the SBD and the girlfriend, wife, ex-wife moved down to Florida with the mother as well.

Pwah...really? Sometimes I've wondered lately. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Sometimes I think I'm losing my gourd.

Has anyone else read that Mom stayed in MA? Where did y'all read it, other than here.

White Wash wrote:

You kill me!
LOL!
Second to Shack you posted the most personal
information of anyone!
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White Wash, she was not referring to herself. I know this FOR A FACT because one of the persons to whom she was referring was me. And I don't need a sworn affadavit to prove that I'm only one person, tyvm.

Half Moon wrote:

Lost another post!!!!!!!!! Anyway, when I first came here, I wondered why my posts said Reading,MA. Now I am at work and NOT in Exeter, NH! Coincedence????????
Grammar are you right behind me????

Half Moon, the location that shows up is where your modem connection or server is located. When I'm at work it says one of two places (either Sewell NJ or Plymouth Meeting PA) neither of which is where I work. It's just the server that my computer is talking to. When I'm home, I'm apparently so far out in the middle of nowheresville that the computer just lists "United States."

Try not to be freaked out by it. It's a little odd, but it has nothing to do with where one lives, works, OR pays taxes.

Or, if you're Emily/Sally, whether or not you've taken your medication that particular day.:p