Where is MAURA MURRAY

"I agree, who tried to call her, why, and from where."

I agree two.

Earlier I said that the caller would be suspect in my mind - but now - seeing that the call originated from a place she reasonably could have known someone on a day to day basis - not close to I-91 - it isn't an "eyebrow raising" call - in my mind, but still something worth looking at.

I apologize for my part in overreacting there.

I appreciate all of the folks that put thought into the situation.

I should add that I wish that another cell phone tower had pinged her (as a result of the call we just discussed)

Info on Cell Towers and how they are used in investigations.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/17/Worldandnat...

*sigh*

More good info - to tell when a cell phone is turned on.

http://www.privateline.com/mt_dailynotes/2008...

hi all i think we can agree that someone called Maura monday pm feb 09 04.whether it was the insurance company or whomever we dont know yet.it is just another example of what Mauras' family has refused to talk about in public.who has the 20 20 show i did not record it.again i will say for the new people here.Maura had 2 jobs at Amherst, one at a security desk in Melville hall.she could have thrown a ham sandwich from the roof of her dorm and hit it .thats how close it was.one at a gallery which we have never been allowed to know about because the family does not know.also Amherst has been 'deemed not important by Fred'.i will gladly eat my words in the future but until i know why Amherst is such a taboo ,hold the napkins.what about her clinicals .where were they .where are her clasmates.i wont' post there names here ,god forbid they may have to pick up a phone or give something here.dozens of people knew what Mauras routine and class schedule was.where are they.i have spoken with some of there parents and they say it is just too upsetting to talk about.either they know,they dont care or they have been asked not to talk which all comes back to Mauras prior life.even before Amhesrt.3 people that knew her say she was very secretive. her supervisor said to me how she ate dinner alone and what not.i just burned that bridge .Looking4amoose this is where you jump in and help explain trauma .yes i am pissed off Shack please call me.philip

JMO wrote:

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Why, it's just my opinion, Ouija, to which I am entitled, and to which you may also comment/respond.
If ideas are "new"/creative/rando m they may not be particularly helpful or fruitful if they are also not focused or logical.
The "maybe" factor is played out in your imagination, but is often not factually based. Indeed, it is not harmful...but not productive.
It appears to me that a scenario is being created based upon someone's looking at a map. I'll bet that's true.
Also, to suggest Littleton, MA to be an interesting place to hide, and suggesting that Maura could blend in with local runners...is yet another stretch, in my most humble opinion. One could choose to hide in Cambridge, MA, Gloucester, Stowe, VT or any number of places for that matter.
You see, you've taken a bit of information...a ping/a possible call received...and have created imaginative scenarios...without being based in fact. It is not harmful; nor is it necessarily helpful.
A poster above mentioned whether a call within the 22 mi. radius is recorded on her cell phone statement...and suggested someone is in possession to know. That would seem to be the key piece of information.
I see much tail chasing. Not mean. Just My Opinion.

Hey guys, in response to what JMHHO said above, it sure WOULD help to know if this call is recorded on Maura's cell phone statement. But in the time until this piece of information is released (who knows when?), forums will continue to do what they've been doing for 4-1/2 years --- speculate and work with the tiny pieces of information they've been given. Maybe this poster can provide us with more fruitful ideas. We can sure use them!

Littleton, MA? A town named by a psychic is all it is. I supplied what I knew about this local town. JMHHO sounds like person who is tense and not at peace, and I'm not gonna get caught up in her toxic game! I'd wrather ignore her wrath.

As a point of information and fact, given knowledge of my community, nursing students at the undergraduate level who are engaged in nursing/clinical rotations at Beverly Hospital are, with few exceptions, enrolled in local college programs at Salem State/North Shore and Endicott. Therefore, it would seem unlikely that Maura would have had a connection to Beverly Hospital.

"Clinicals" have been mentioned often here, but I have never read, or perhaps have missed, knowing how far along Maura was in her nursing studies at UMASS Amherst.
Had she completed the body of prerequisites that even qualified her for clinicals at the time of her disappearance?

I have traveled alone, without fear, many times from the north shore/MA to Stowe, VT (4 hours), as well as 8 hours one way to a destination in northern NY in all kinds of treacherous weather. Many, many female college students do the same, arrive safely, and are seemingly not targets for abduction.

It is entirely possible for Maura to have met the wrong person at the wrong time...possibly at a rest stop (always a place to avoid). That said, and without proof that such an event occurred, even my supposition is not particularly helpful to finding Maura. Just sayin'...

Quija wrote:

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Hey guys, in response to what JMHHO said above, it sure WOULD help to know if this call is recorded on Maura's cell phone statement. But in the time until this piece of information is released (who knows when?), forums will continue to do what they've been doing for 4-1/2 years --- speculate and work with the tiny pieces of information they've been given. Maybe this poster can provide us with more fruitful ideas. We can sure use them!
Littleton, MA? A town named by a psychic is all it is. I supplied what I knew about this local town. JMHHO sounds like person who is tense and not at peace, and I'm not gonna get caught up in her toxic game! I'd wrather ignore her wrath.

Ouija, at least let others take a turn at debunking your theories without incurring a personal attack. No need to be so defensive.

Gotta' admit that it's difficult to separate fact from fiction in the presentation of information on this thread. Bill's comments and analysis, however, along with a few others, appeal to my sense of logic and reason...they are worth reading.

whiston wrote:

hi all i think we can agree that someone called Maura monday pm feb 09 04.whether it was the insurance company or whomever we dont know yet.it is just another example of what Mauras' family has refused to talk about in public.who has the 20 20 show i did not record it.again i will say for the new people here.Maura had 2 jobs at Amherst, one at a security desk in Melville hall.she could have thrown a ham sandwich from the roof of her dorm and hit it .thats how close it was.one at a gallery which we have never been allowed to know about because the family does not know.also Amherst has been 'deemed not important by Fred'.i will gladly eat my words in the future but until i know why Amherst is such a taboo ,hold the napkins.what about her clinicals .where were they .where are her clasmates.i wont' post there names here ,god forbid they may have to pick up a phone or give something here.dozens of people knew what Mauras routine and class schedule was.where are they.i have spoken with some of there parents and they say it is just too upsetting to talk about.either they know,they dont care or they have been asked not to talk which all comes back to Mauras prior life.even before Amhesrt.3 people that knew her say she was very secretive. her supervisor said to me how she ate dinner alone and what not.i just burned that bridge .Looking4amoose this is where you jump in and help explain trauma .yes i am pissed off Shack please call me.philip

Hello Whiston/Philip & all,

Interesting post of yours.
So Maura was not sharing her lunch table with the other nursing students, according to her supervisors.
Of course this might just be a case of a very private person not mingling with her fellow students.
Still, it paints a somewhat unsettling picture in my mind.
In all her pictures Maura gives the impression of being not just a stunningly beautiful young lady, but also very outgoing, charismatic, charming, etc, etc.

I´m just wondering whether the very private behaviour apparently displayed by Maura at the UMass Nursing Classes was "typical" of her or whether something bad might have happened which for some reason caused her to change her "normal" behaviour?

Please, understand that I in no way want to be the least disrespectful to Maura here. I´m just wondering whether something upsetting might have happened in Maura´s life at Amherst or somewhere else quite some time prior to her sudden departure on 9th February 2004.

whiston wrote:

hi all i think we can agree that someone called Maura monday pm feb 09 04.whether it was the insurance company or whomever we dont know yet.it is just another example of what Mauras' family has refused to talk about in public.who has the 20 20 show i did not record it.again i will say for the new people here.Maura had 2 jobs at Amherst, one at a security desk in Melville hall.she could have thrown a ham sandwich from the roof of her dorm and hit it .thats how close it was.one at a gallery which we have never been allowed to know about because the family does not know.also Amherst has been 'deemed not important by Fred'.i will gladly eat my words in the future but until i know why Amherst is such a taboo ,hold the napkins.what about her clinicals .where were they .where are her clasmates.i wont' post there names here ,god forbid they may have to pick up a phone or give something here.dozens of people knew what Mauras routine and class schedule was.where are they.i have spoken with some of there parents and they say it is just too upsetting to talk about.either they know,they dont care or they have been asked not to talk which all comes back to Mauras prior life.even before Amhesrt.3 people that knew her say she was very secretive. her supervisor said to me how she ate dinner alone and what not.i just burned that bridge .Looking4amoose this is where you jump in and help explain trauma .yes i am pissed off Shack please call me.philip

Actually Philip, this is where I will jump in and say that the nursing students in her classes (not necessarily her clinical placements), that I have communicated with, have also stated that she was very quiet. Two of them said they knew who she was but never spoke with her and that she seemed nice but that's all they knew of her.

Eurobserver wrote:

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Hello Whiston/Philip & all,
Interesting post of yours.
So Maura was not sharing her lunch table with the other nursing students, according to her supervisors.
Of course this might just be a case of a very private person not mingling with her fellow students.
Still, it paints a somewhat unsettling picture in my mind.
In all her pictures Maura gives the impression of being not just a stunningly beautiful young lady, but also very outgoing, charismatic, charming, etc, etc.
I´m just wondering whether the very private behaviour apparently displayed by Maura at the UMass Nursing Classes was "typical" of her or whether something bad might have happened which for some reason caused her to change her "normal" behaviour?
Please, understand that I in no way want to be the least disrespectful to Maura here. I´m just wondering whether something upsetting might have happened in Maura´s life at Amherst or somewhere else quite some time prior to her sudden departure on 9th February 2004.

To further point out the difference in Maura's personality, she was described as "the person people wanted to be around, the one that people went to for advise, yet, when she visited Providence to run in the one meet that I can find she ran for Amherst, her high school friend with whom she met up with at the meet, said she said nothing about Amhers or any of her classes and pretty much only talked about her boyfriend.

So now bring on the talk about how stressed she could've been---I've been through Nursing School---one of the most competitive ones in New England, in fact, and the first couple of weeks of a semester are not stressful. OK--so now someone tell me how she could've been worried about her boyfriend being deployed......and I will say that it was a choice he made, as well as something she chose to deal with by staying in a long distance relationship with him. Am I getting sick of people trying to make her look flawless? Yeah I am.........something was going on in her life that she didn't share with her family--again a CHOICE---there's way too much that went on in her life the weekend before she disappeared for anyone to argue with that.

Hello Euro and all.
Remember the post where a fellow runner speaks of Maura and how they related to one another, cheering each other on at every meet? Other than that comrodere they didn't *know* each other, but he still referred to her as friend.
There were many friends in Maura's circle, still close from kindergarden who knew her. They describe her best.....Saying Maura lit up the room, was the kind of person they'd want to make.
There are so many ways to describe someone, so many points of view.
And being new at UMASS it takes time to make sure one is friendship material.
As far as eating alone goes, sometimes being shy, not knowing people will do that. And some just don't like to eat with others.
I agree there were many stress factors too.

Mean people suck.

I am wondering where the information came from that states the Saturn was not the vehicle at the ATM machine?

As far as a psychic 'reading' I received a while back, maybe I didn't supply enough information. I informed the reader a friend of mine had driven off the road in rural NH and had disappeared. She asked first name. She stated she had passed. I asked her where her remains were. She took a long time and seemed to be thinking. Not NH, Not VT, Massachusetts she said. I waited while she added more...Littleton MA....a dry river bed with tree overhanging the bank. I asked her if she was sure not NH, she said she was sure Littleton MA. I was skeptical but she seemed so sure. I have thought about it several times. Take it or dismiss it.

high all lookin4 a moose thankyou for jumping in.1anne what do you know wabout the saturn not being at the atm .it is the only thing that puts the saturn in Amherst on feb 09 04 that i know about.when Mauras supervisor said 'she ate dinner alone and whatnot '.i thought how odd but even moreso that her supervisor had seen it more than once and it stuck in her mind.paris i am not knocking Maura these are my thoughts i truly hope she is somewhere safe and sound.

paris wrote:

Hello Euro and all.
Remember the post where a fellow runner speaks of Maura and how they related to one another, cheering each other on at every meet? Other than that comrodere they didn't *know* each other, but he still referred to her as friend.
There were many friends in Maura's circle, still close from kindergarden who knew her. They describe her best.....Saying Maura lit up the room, was the kind of person they'd want to make.
There are so many ways to describe someone, so many points of view.
And being new at UMASS it takes time to make sure one is friendship material.
As far as eating alone goes, sometimes being shy, not knowing people will do that. And some just don't like to eat with others.
I agree there were many stress factors too.

Let's define "new" to UMass. Didn't she start Umass in January 2002? That's over two years prior to her disappearance--more than enough time to make some friends, especially when in Nursing School--you tend to bond with those in your clinical group. The friend that you speak of that she ran with, was that at UMass or was that in High School? There was only one meet that Maura ran at the college level.

1Anne wrote:

I am wondering where the information came from that states the Saturn was not the vehicle at the ATM machine?
As far as a psychic 'reading' I received a while back, maybe I didn't supply enough information. I informed the reader a friend of mine had driven off the road in rural NH and had disappeared. She asked first name. She stated she had passed. I asked her where her remains were. She took a long time and seemed to be thinking. Not NH, Not VT, Massachusetts she said. I waited while she added more...Littleton MA....a dry river bed with tree overhanging the bank. I asked her if she was sure not NH, she said she was sure Littleton MA. I was skeptical but she seemed so sure. I have thought about it several times. Take it or dismiss it.

Interesting....there's a woman in Littleton, MA names Molly Salans who owns Transitions Counseling Center---she speaks in her brochure of how individuals travel down "the dry riverbed looking desperately for what we think we want"...and how this creates disconnects and brokenness. Ironic..........

I have a confession to make - for the most part I am, in fact a quiet person.
I definitely get this trait from my now deceased grandfather, a friendly man - but a man of very few words.

Its just the way his mind was made - and I take after this trait I think - in many ways. I am most quiet when
there is everyday conversation - and it is not because I am secretive.

Most of my friendships are fundamentally built upon sharing ideas to solve every day problems.
I really don't say much at parties. By my nature - I speak mostly when I feel it necessary.

I think there are two things we ought not forget:

First that its very likely that Maura was a victim of a crime - think about how we come accross

Second - a quiet personality is not necessarily a secretive one.

Ben Franklin wrote:

I have a confession to make - for the most part I am, in fact a quiet person.
I definitely get this trait from my now deceased grandfather, a friendly man - but a man of very few words.
Its just the way his mind was made - and I take after this trait I think - in many ways. I am most quiet when
there is everyday conversation - and it is not because I am secretive.
Most of my friendships are fundamentally built upon sharing ideas to solve every day problems.
I really don't say much at parties. By my nature - I speak mostly when I feel it necessary.
I think there are two things we ought not forget:
First that its very likely that Maura was a victim of a crime - think about how we come accross
Second - a quiet personality is not necessarily a secretive one.

Thank you. Well stated. I am in full agreement, and feel Maura is being judged quite harshly in this forum...especially on this page.

paris wrote:

Hello Euro and all.
Remember the post where a fellow runner speaks of Maura and how they related to one another, cheering each other on at every meet? Other than that comrodere they didn't *know* each other, but he still referred to her as friend.
There were many friends in Maura's circle, still close from kindergarden who knew her. They describe her best.....Saying Maura lit up the room, was the kind of person they'd want to make.
There are so many ways to describe someone, so many points of view.
And being new at UMASS it takes time to make sure one is friendship material.
As far as eating alone goes, sometimes being shy, not knowing people will do that. And some just don't like to eat with others.
I agree there were many stress factors too.

Thank you for a fair analysis and kind consideration of Maura's perceived situation.