Where is MAURA MURRAY

Sylibii wrote:

Sure.

ROFL. Dude, I was a liberal arts major. I didn't understand the cell phone ping conversation worth beans. I wouldn't know how to set up a proxy server if my life depended on it.

whiston wrote:

hi all.just personally speaking if my 21 year old daughter went missing . i wuould say where she was last seen working , last went to class and last had her clinicals.i would post anything that may jog a memory that may help find HER. this is normal ask Brianna Maitlands parents take carre philip

And that's not judgmental, HOW, exactly?

In point of fact, Maura's W2 may well say nothing more than "Univ of Mass" or "Univ of Mass Fine Arts Dept" or even "Univ of Mass (insert meaningless department code number here)." My own W2 does not even list the name of the college at which I work, because it is a Catholic college. The W2 says "League of Catholic Colleges of America" or the name of the national order of nuns or some such random thing. Seriously. The first year I worked there, as I had several lecturing positions during the year, I didn't realise at first what it was for, AND I WAS THE ONE WHO WORKED THERE.

Colleges and universities--particularly state universities with multi-city presences--are huge entities with very weird and arcane accounting practices. You cannot guarantee that it's as simple as looking on her W2. To say so is to imugn Fred's honour and the Murray family's devotion to finding Maura.

Okay.

FireCat wrote:

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Hahaha, no, of course I don't think people here are dumb. I put it plainly because I was recently repeatedly accused of using high-falutin language to shove my alleged intellectual capacity in other people's faces.
Seems I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Hmm seems I must have missed you being repeatedly accused of using high-falutin language.You say it was recent but I can't seem to find it. Can you point out which post it was? Thanks

hi Firecat.as much as our views of Mauras prior life may be opposite i am going nowhere.the fact that everytime i bring up Amherst it is shot down by some here, only convinces me more to find out what happened there. to not look at that is wrong .the fact that it is a slog to dig it up is just the way it is .any detail of Mauras life is important ,unless i am wrong.ps yes i can guarantee that it is as simple as looking at her W2.Again i will say Maura had checks waiting for her or on there way to her mailbox from her 2 jobs.she was also a full time student and was likely claimed as a dependant.take care philip

whiston wrote:

hi all.just personally speaking if my 21 year old daughter went missing . i wuould say where she was last seen working , last went to class and last had her clinicals.i would post anything that may jog a memory that may help find HER. this is normal ask Brianna Maitlands parents take carre philip

we are doing everything we possibly can to find Maura. NORMAL!!!!!!!! do you know what its like having to go looking through debris for a relatives remains? how NORMAL!!!!! do you think our lifes have been since Maura disappeared? so much easier to say what you might do until your actually living the endless nightmare for well over 4 years.

half moon....I've wondered for a long time about a Lexus SUV. Can you tell me what town?

hi citigirl.is this the part where i feel bad for asking .it wont' happen.Mauras prior life is a mystery for a reason whether you are one that knows it or not.take care philip

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text> we are doing everything we possibly can to find Maura. NORMAL!!!!!!!! do you know what its like having to go looking through debris for a relatives remains? how NORMAL!!!!! do you think our lifes have been since Maura disappeared? so much easier to say what you might do until your actually living the endless nightmare for well over 4 years.

Citigirl, Did Maura have any connections (relatices, friends, counselor) in Littleton, MA?

FYI--when looking for information on "the Bershires" she may have been looking for information on how to get to a clinical site. I came across a Umass Amherst post on a nursing forum that stated that most clinicals were in Greenfield, but occasionally one would be in Holyoke, Worcestor, Northampton or the Berkshires--all well within an hour from Amherst.

FireCat wrote:

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And that's not judgmental, HOW, exactly?
In point of fact, Maura's W2 may well say nothing more than "Univ of Mass" or "Univ of Mass Fine Arts Dept" or even "Univ of Mass (insert meaningless department code number here)." My own W2 does not even list the name of the college at which I work, because it is a Catholic college. The W2 says "League of Catholic Colleges of America" or the name of the national order of nuns or some such random thing. Seriously. The first year I worked there, as I had several lecturing positions during the year, I didn't realise at first what it was for, AND I WAS THE ONE WHO WORKED THERE.
Colleges and universities--particularly state universities with multi-city presences--are huge entities with very weird and arcane accounting practices. You cannot guarantee that it's as simple as looking on her W2. To say so is to imugn Fred's honour and the Murray family's devotion to finding Maura.

the meaningless department code number usually is the key to the specific information.....it is exactly that an exact location. I have worked for international companies, but can always locate exactly which site I was at by the coding on the W2.

Wowzer wrote:

<quoted text>Hmm seems I must have missed you being repeatedly accused of using high-falutin language.You say it was recent but I can't seem to find it. Can you point out which post it was? Thanks

What purpose would that serve? Would it help find Maura?

whiston wrote:

Mauras prior life is a mystery for a reason

How can you be sure of that, philip? The fact is, you can't, unless you yourself know the reason for that mystery. Do you? If so, let's talk. If not, you have NO reason to make that statement, which is another of those insinuations of which I earlier spoke.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

<quoted text> the meaningless department code number usually is the key to the specific information.....it is exactly that an exact location. I have worked for international companies, but can always locate exactly which site I was at by the coding on the W2.

right, but my point is if it's a departmental code, such as "1234" which stand for "fine arts dept" under which I presume a gallery would fall, it might still not be enough info.

You can't tell, for instance, by looking at ANY of my paystubs what department I work for. Just that I work for X college at a certain pay grade.

Have you ever worked at a university? A department can have several locations. You can know a department, but you can't always know a physical location.

which isn't to say it's NOT possible, only to point out that it's neither definitely impossible nor definitely possible.

FireCat wrote:

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What purpose would that serve? Would it help find Maura?

It might not help find Maura, but it might lend to your credibility or lack of it.

whiston wrote:

ps yes i can guarantee that it is as simple as looking at her W2.

No, unless you also work at UMass Amherst or have seen a paystub that can verify that. If you have, I'd be delighted to know this so we can move on from it.

One last thing I want to emphasize YET AGAIN which you do not seem to comprehend no matter how many times you have it elucidated for you. You are NOT attacked every time you bring up Amherst. You ARE strongly and vehemently corrected (and, yes, occasionally "attacked") when you continue to imply that Maura's family is somehow at fault for not being as forthcoming with details of her life as you would allow. Personally, I have said to you as recently as this week "if you want to continue to search in Amherst, have at" (and Wowzer et al I CAN find that post for you if you want, because it has bearing)

but for you to continue to insist that Maura's family is part of a willful conspiracy to keep you in the dark, to insinuate that they are not doing all they can to find her by making available every possible unimportant detail of her life down to what laundry detergent she preferred--is antagonizing, frustrating, and counterproductive.

You just recently said "If Maura were MY daughter...." Got news for you. She is not. She is Fred's daughter. Imagine for a moment that you are Fred, and for some reason you log on to this board tonight, just to see if you can find a glimmer of hope, and you see someone you have never met telling you that if Maura were his daughter he would go about things a different way. Implying in that statement that this man is not doing EVERYHING in his power with every waking and sleeping breath to find a beloved child.

I will say it again. It is NOT your vehement belief that Amherst is important that got you kicked off MMM forum, and it is not that same strong instinct that is causing me to be so upset with you right now that I feel it is worth laying out on this forum because it is a perception I feel is damaginng to the cause of finding Maura. It is is your CONTINUED insistence, directly and indirectly, that Maura's family is not doing enough, giving enough, providing enough.

And somehow, I suspect that you're right. It's "not gonna happen." Because you can't seem to grasp that one simple fact, Philip. As long as you continue to want to search Amherst, jolly bloody good, mate. Have at. Search Amherst. I wish you luck, I wish you godspeed, and I sincerely hope you find something that proves worth the effort.

But know too that as long as you continue to MISINFORM THE PUBLIC with your continued misunderstanding (which seems to me willful and obstinate, since it's been told you so many times by more than one person) I WILL continue to set the record straight. If you feel like you're being attacked, then stop. Your continuing to say the family is stonewalling you with "tea and crumpets" does not make it true, and it never will.

Good night.

please clarify wrote:

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It might not help find Maura, but it might lend to your credibility or lack of it.

Most people here have already made their own judgments on my credibility here.

FireCat wrote:

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Most people here have already made their own judgments on my credibility here.

Firecat,

Yes they have and I feel confident in saying that there are so many of us who appreciate your support and input. But more importantly, I feel confident in stating that the Murray family appreciates your support and input the most.

Which, as happenstance would have it, is the bunch of folks for whom I am here.

FireCat wrote:

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What purpose would that serve? Would it help find Maura?

At this point anything might be of help. It would certainly help to explain why you would make such a condescending remark.