Where is MAURA MURRAY

Oh and for the record, Montgomery Vermont also had a crime rate of nil, outside of domestic disputes, when I checked in 2001.

In 2004 there were about (20+) burglaries,(1) missing person, and a double homicide.

I am not singling out Haverhill/Woodsville by any means.

Hello all,

I see that another outbreak of civil war has eruped on this board, yet again....
How about trying to refocus out attention on Maura?

I´m actually asking myself this:

How on earth is it possible that we don´t seem to have one single NEW clue or lead which in some way, however small, might move Maura´s case an inch forward???
The case seems to have ground to a complete halt and I haven´t seen any kind of new developments since gvmeabrk´s possible sighting of Maura in that convenience store in NH back in 2006.

I don´t easily get frustrated or despondent, but the case has seemingly hit the proverbial brickwall.
This is so immensely distressing.

Please, consider this:

IF the young lady seen in the Barton, VT, church back in the summer of 2005 was actually Maura, do you think it at all possible that it could also have been the real Maura who was seen by witness gvmeabrk in NH in 2006?

Yes, I know that both these sightings have been debunked by the authorities, but we have nothing else to go on, have we?

What are your opinions?

sophie bean wrote:

Wowzer, was I addressing you as "you"?
No. I was specifically addressing WW and her outrage over Fred's suing the state of NH.
The "you" I was addressing was WW, period. Not "you people" - not "locals" - WW, in response to her rant at me.
Ye, I most certainly question the apparent feeling by MANY (note that I by no means said "all"!) in the area that Fred should not have sued the state for these records, and that he should simply shut up and go away, and forget about his daughter who has been missing without a trace for more than four years.
You wrote:
"I have not heard this restaurant was running illegal activities. Not to say it never happened but just that I never heard of it.I do know on the weekends the police did walkthroughs to be sure there was no underage drinking and occasionally a fight broke out as is not uncommon in a drinking establishment."
Was any of that an answer to the question that I asked? No. The question was if anyone was actually aware, one way or the other, that what I understand is a fact or not. "I don't know" does not answer that question, and since it is not intended to answer it, is in fact argumentative.
I did not "start" an argument. WW expressed outrage that I thought that Fred was justified and correct to sue the state of NH - simply my opinion.
I have also 100% consistently said that information that is vital to the investigation should be kept safe by LE. I said ONLY that Fred is entitled, as are ALL NH residents and citizens, to information in the legal, public record, a stance with which, oh by the way, a court in NH agreed. I said that it would be CONSIDERATE of LE to periodic update Fred on the course of any ongoing investigation - NOT that they are required to do so.
Kindly refrain from totally misrepresenting what I've actually said.
And, yet again, a non-answer in the form of an outraged local attack for a slight that was never made obfuscates the actual question.
Where there's smoke, as the saying goes, there's fire. You, Wowzer, continue to confirm my belief that anything that happened to Maura happened in or near Woodsville. There is NO other reason for locals to be so defensive.

Since this is a PUBLIC forum which you and others seem to keep forgetting and anyone has the right to answer whatever is posted here on this PUBLIC forum. Get it Sophie...PUBLIC forum.
You like putting words in others mouths not having a clue as to how they actually feel. You are a spiteful, negative antagonistic person that IMO is doing much more harm than good to the investigation.
It is people like you Sophie that makes us locals defensive. Just your last two sentences about how I confirmed your belief that anything that happened to Maura happened near or in Woodsville is a remark made to further instigate an argumant as it puts the locals once again on the defensive as it is apparent that your belief is that someone here did something to her.
Maybe since you are trying so hard to put the blame on the locals that it is YOU that should be further investigated as you have mentioned in earlier posts that you have frequented this area before. A scary thought indeed to think of such a hateful and out of touch person driving through my area.

Eurobserver wrote:

I see that another outbreak of civil war has eruped on this board

Yes, and where did it start? Post #6691, posted by sophie bean.

sophie bean wrote:

If I'm mistaken about that, you - WW and WTF - can tell me exactly why you have a problem with anything that I'm saying.

I cannot be clearer in what I wrote about what you said.

If someone disputes my interpretation of the ruling then say it and give me the correct interpretation.

B.

Wowzer, that's ridiculous and nothing but a distraction, as you are perfectly well aware.
WW made a specific statement - I was responding to her specific statement. I was asking her a specific question about a specific statement that she made.

I am by no means trying to take over a public forum, or excluding anyone from a discussion, as you suggest, I am merely addressing a specific question to one person who has chosen not to answer it but instead scream at me "SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!!!"

And "I" am "spiteful, negative and antagonistic"?
Got a dictionary handy?

It is REALLY fascinating to me that "locals" - by which you are referring to everyone in Grafton county, a stance which is astonishing in itself - should be horribly offended by the POSSIBILITY (which I've only ever said was a POSSIBILITY) that Maura was a victim of foul play committed by some person or persons in Grafton county.

I am not even surprised, but rather grateful for the concern, if a crime is committed in my community and someone from here, there, or anywhere can do anything to help solve it. I do not take it as a personal outrage that someone thinks it POSSIBLE that a crime (OMG!!!) has been committed in my community.
Do you take it is a personal affront and outrage that anyone would notice and say that Cary Indelicato murdered Mr Powell in Warren?
I truly don't get it. I don't know whether to be more disgusted or amazed by anyone who is this defensive about the possibility, if not the fact, that crime exists in ALL of our communities, and it's a swell idea to solve and prevent it.

And by the way, Wowzer, since you're now making threats against me:
"Maybe since you are trying so hard to put the blame on the locals that it is YOU that should be further investigated as you have mentioned in earlier posts that you have frequented this area before. A scary thought indeed to think of such a hateful and out of touch person driving through my area."

Go ahead. Investigate your ASS off. I do not "frequent" the area - I am familiar with the area. Good luck to you. And when, if ever, your rage has blown itself out, perhaps you, WTF, and WW (who appear to be conducting a little tag-team) have a shred of energy left, you might actually use it to make your own communities a little safer.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Nope, I do but the crime rate didn't go from nil (AS WHITEWASH POINTED OUT) to (8) rapes and (50+) burglaries in two years!

That is very unlikely.

It appears that for whatever reason the statistics for 1990 until 2003 are missing.(Insert your best conspiracy theory here.) It actually appears that the statistics are somewhat flat and in some categories has dropped. I should also state that you cannot gather meaningful statistics in cases where there was one event that occurred one year and zero the previous year such as the murder. Going from 2 to 6 statistically may have no meaning either. It looks bad as a percentage but can be an anomaly. Please don’t waste my time telling me its not an anomaly to the person it happens to. That is not the point.

B.

get real wrote:

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Yes, and where did it start? Post #6691, posted by sophie bean.

Wrong and wrong.
This is what I said long before that, which commenced the latest round of rage and vitriol:

"I am not a member or close personal friend of Maura's family, but it is also my understanding that her family has NOT been updated by NHSP / LE in at least several years, and it is a fact that NHLE did actively prevent Fred from obtaining the police report and other documents that are and should be public records.
"I have no problem in the world with LE not telling the family everything that's happening in an ongoing investigation, but to not update them at all is very wrong."

Go ahead, tell me how that is "accusing ALL the locals" and "stirring up trouble."

I have never in my life seen anything as absurd as making a simple statement that there may be criminals in the area who may have harmed Maura and taking it as a blanket accusation that ALL locals are criminals and responsible for Maura's disappearance.

If "locals" - and I frankly doubt very much that ranting, raving, enraged people represent people in Grafton county except in their own minds - were not so incredibly defensive about the possibility that Maura met with foul play there, I'd be a lot more interested in looking elsewhere. I've never ruled out the possibility of a crime committed abywhere else that she might have been OR the possibility that she did indedd run away.
WHAT is the problem here?

sophie bean wrote:

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Wrong and wrong.
This is what I said long before that, which commenced the latest round of rage and vitriol:

Okay, I'll admit I was wrong, it was a previous post of yours that started it all. Thanks for correcting me.

What an intelligent response!
When I post the original post, which is perfectly reasonable (go ahead and admit that, I'll hold my breath), AFTER which a slew of people judged and accused me of being mean, crazy, unreasonable, disagreeable and difficult, you can only say "oh, it is all your fault for making a reasoanable post in response to someone accusing Fred of being - you guessed it - mean, crazy, unreasonable, disagreeable, and difficult.
Well done!

Has Meth Finally Landed in New Hampshire

By Shannon Mullen on Thursday, January 26, 2006.
listen:

Abuse of the highly addictive drug methamphetamine has reached epidemic proportions
in some parts of the country.

The west coast and the Midwest have been hit especially hard and over the past several years, the meth abuse problem has reached New England.

Authorities have recently found that New Hampshire has the highest incidence of meth use, of all six New England states.

But they agree meth abuse is still small-scale in New Hampshire.

And this week, House lawmakers are considering new legislation targeting the drug problem, in hopes of keeping it under control.

New Hampshire Public Radio correspondent Shannon Mullen reports.

POLICE AND FEDERAL AGENTS SHUT DOWN 18 METHAMPHETAMINE LABS IN NEW ENGLAND LAST YEAR.

THE FEDERAL DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION SAYS 12 OF THEM WERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE - BY FAR THE HIGHEST NUMBER IN THE REGION.

THE YEAR BEFORE, AUTHORITIES SEIZED ONLY 2 IN THE STATE.

http://www.nhpr.org/node/10243

University of New Hampshire - Cooperative Extension

Methamphetamine: Not Just Someone Else’s Problem
Deadly drug moves into the Granite State

New Hampshire has yet to see the large numbers of methamphetamine addicts that Western and Midwestern states have experienced. But law enforcement officials say New Hampshire’s large expanses of wilderness are attracting those who manufacture the drug.

In fact, 12 of the 18 methamphetamine labs discovered in New England in 2004 and 2005 were located in New Hampshire, many of them in RURAL GRAFTON COUNTY.

http://extension.unh.edu/news/Meth.htm

wow... that's highly disturbing.

get real wrote:

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Then why reply?

No, sorry, I meant I wasn't weighing in on which I thought it was. Didn't make that real clear, did I.

Sophie Bean
How are you coming with my answers to
my questions?

HPD has been trying to get neighbor watches together since you have so much
to say about our crime I'm sure you and
Shack have signed up to help us.

If you are not part of the solution then YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

sophie bean wrote:

What an intelligent response!
When I post the original post, which is perfectly reasonable (go ahead and admit that, I'll hold my breath), AFTER which a slew of people judged and accused me of being mean, crazy, unreasonable, disagreeable and difficult, you can only say "oh, it is all your fault for making a reasoanable post in response to someone accusing Fred of being - you guessed it - mean, crazy, unreasonable, disagreeable, and difficult.
Well done!

Are you saying Maura was here because of Meth?

Now why would Fred Murray bring his daughter to such a place Lady Gray?

A drug infected den is what you are implying correct?

Lady Gray wrote:

University of New Hampshire - Cooperative Extension
Methamphetamine: Not Just Someone Else’s Problem
Deadly drug moves into the Granite State
New Hampshire has yet to see the large numbers of methamphetamine addicts that Western and Midwestern states have experienced. But law enforcement officials say New Hampshire’s large expanses of wilderness are attracting those who manufacture the drug.
In fact, 12 of the 18 methamphetamine labs discovered in New England in 2004 and 2005 were located in New Hampshire, many of them in RURAL GRAFTON COUNTY.
http://extension.unh.edu/news/Meth.htm

bacon wrote:

wow... that's highly disturbing.

NH is a beautiful state. And, you're correct, it is highly disturbing.

For those of us who research, we also have some facts. Could I have thrown this out a long time ago? Sure. If I were wanting to be incindiary (ha, get it?), I could have.

Sometimes you have to wait for the right moment. And you can flame me, burn me, call me nuts; however, don't "shoot the messenger."

How do the facts change from the post above to this one one the same subject?
You have such a spin on things it's amazing!

Lady Gray wrote:

University of New Hampshire - Cooperative Extension
Methamphetamine: Not Just Someone Else’s Problem
Deadly drug moves into the Granite State
New Hampshire has yet to see the large numbers of methamphetamine addicts that Western and Midwestern states have experienced. But law enforcement officials say New Hampshire’s large expanses of wilderness are attracting those who manufacture the drug.
In fact, 12 of the 18 methamphetamine labs discovered in New England in 2004 and 2005 were located in New Hampshire, many of them in RURAL GRAFTON COUNTY.
http://extension.unh.edu/news/Meth.htm

WHITE WASH wrote:

Are you saying Maura was here because of Meth?
Now why would Fred Murray bring his daughter to such a place Lady Gray?
A drug infected den is what you are implying correct?
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Ha ha, I predicted this......

WHITE WASH wrote:

Are you saying Maura was here because of Meth?
Now why would Fred Murray bring his daughter to such a place Lady Gray?
A drug infected den is what you are implying correct?
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I will post one thing then I'm washing my hands of this thread because I am not into mud wrestling.

The reason for posting the meth facts is to point out that the county is not free of crime. In fact, no county anywhere is free of crime. It would stupid to suppose such a thing.

A thought has been that Maura came across something illegal occuring; hence, her disappearance.

If you're reading this and you don't like the fact that I posted this info, make a complaint to the links that I posted. Those aren't my facts that were gathered.

This info HAS been posted multiple times before, but has been ignored. Of course, I post it and I push buttons......

And, WW, your suggestion of the reason for my posting the info is for the purpose of saying that was the reason Maura was in the area........that is as incredulous as if I inferred that you live in the area for the same purpose.

Jumping out of the fray now!