Where is MAURA MURRAY

Alice wrote:

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No, not anger, I just want to know if WW is speaking facts, because the way WW is stating the info sounds angry at people for not agreeing.

Are you projecting there?

I think you're the one who sounds angry, particularly if you're telling someone to shut the f___ up, real classy by the way.

It seems to be the old forum members that sound angry at people for not agreeing, are you one of those?

I'd like to add to this a couple of other points.
Her Mother stated she called her every night.
So if she didn't 2/9/04 who would Laurie call
Kathleen?
If someone is suppose to call me and they don't I pick up the phone just to make sure everything is
ok.
Not sure I buy that when Maura didn't call Fred
as schedule he let that fly he's old school military rules rules.
I think we need to head back to school.
We have a comfirmed witness to the red truck.
We have comfirmation Maura's smell ends at Bradley Hill.
I don't buy she just hop in with a stranger.
She had some BALLS to complete West Point you'd
see sights of struggle.
When I was bartending it was women like Maura you
watched the strength they would have AMAZING whip
some Big Ole Boys Butt they would!

Quija wrote:

If Maura and Kathleen talked about "boyfriend troubles" on the phone pretty much nightly, then maybe Kathleen knew where Maura was staying off campus, if that was the case. Kathleen would have had to tell LE in interviews. LE has to have check out that person. That could be why they're making it seem like they're focused totally on the Haverhill area. Everything here is distraction, distraction... I wonder if Kathleen retrieved a few items while in the room. I might have --- if at that point I was pretty sure my sister had just run away... to protect her. I'm thinking whiston is right --- that the answer is in Amherst. There have to be people who are aware of why Maura was angry, what was upsetting her so much. And I don't believe it was the "difficult long-distance relationship" with Billy anymore. JMO. And, as someone said, the semester had just begun and in my own experience I only began to go crazy from pressure near the end of the semester.

Be happy people, I have given you someone new to rail on!!!!

Wowzer,

The state property taxes that my family and friends have been paying throughout the years, whether they are year round or vacation residents, have contributed to Maura's investigation just as much anyone else who pays property taxes in New Hampshire.

Whether you wish to believe this or not, everyone's taxes go toward the same state wide budget.

It's not just about the tiny town of Woodsville or Grafton County for that matter.

White Wash wrote:

Ever wonder why Fred hasn't said Maura wasn't there at the accident?
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Yes, why?

White Wash wrote:

Well unless the DNA on the air bags is lying yea
I'm going with she locked the car and walked!
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Tell us about the DNA. This is new info. TIA.

Shack wrote:

These nasty ones should have their own child missing...just maybe for a few hours...

Write to
us at:
Find Maura
P.O. Box 890292
E. Weymouth, MA 02189

Good PR.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Submit tips to "us" means one Murray family member.

Thank you.

White Wash wrote:

Oddly the LE anonymous tip lines just don't provide the inside track for the FIT.
I do believe the information gets forward after
being investigated by the FIT.
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Wrong. Very wrong. All info submitted anonymously to the P.O. Box provided earlier is given directly to necessary LE. How could one say that the person who receives the info has the ability and the means to investigate the info not to mention the presence of mind to discern as to what is important and what is not? Oh, please don't answer that...never mind. But you are wrong. All info is given to LE.

White Wash wrote:

I'm sorry you're right I am totally wrong!
I think I'll go out lock my car and just leave it
on someone's lawn!
No crime here!
You seriously can't grasp the fact she locked that
car and left it can you?
You find that TOTALLY ok to do!
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Whose lawn was the vehicle on? I thought it was in the road.

Shack wrote:

These nasty ones should have their own child missing...just maybe for a few hours...

Write to
us at:
Find Maura
P.O. Box 890292
E. Weymouth, MA 02189

Lady Gray wrote:

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Submit tips to "us" means one Murray family member.

All tips and info received in this manner is provided directly to law enforcement. It's just an avenue for people to take that don't want to approach law enforcement themself.

Thank you.

Harry wrote:

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Thank you.

And I thank you for being succinct and sincere.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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The Murray family has gone out of their way to be careful about the information they have shared with the public... if your wife really loved and trusted you she wouldn't have believed the cops... and divorced you.

Very careful, indeed.

whiston/philip ~ quoted here is your oft repeated statement:
"as i have said i think it is odd that mr Murray did not stop in amherst and check Mauras room."

you have the luxury to be looking back in judgment of Fred Murray, when he most likely had only his instinct and shock to guide his decisions at that time. in crisis and in grief there seems to be no "standard" of predictable behavior, at least in my opinion.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Wowzer,
The state property taxes that my family and friends have been paying throughout the years, whether they are year round or vacation residents, have contributed to Maura's investigation just as much anyone else who pays property taxes in New Hampshire.
Whether you wish to believe this or not, everyone's taxes go toward the same state wide budget.
It's not just about the tiny town of Woodsville or Grafton County for that matter.

I couldn't care less how much your family and friends pay in NH taxes, I've got my hands full with my own. If your relative doesn't mind paying 30 grand for a summer place then good for him.I think you are losing it elsewhere and have me confused with someone else as I've gone back 3 pages and can't find anything I said concerning the taxes of your family or friends.

wondering wrote:

Could Sybil be Maura???? or her abductor???

So, like, Wondering... I've been sort of, forgive me, wondering myself lately. About something. I've been wondering whether you have seen a security tape recorded at a Bethlehem, Pennsylvania hotel in late March, 2006? At mid morning while the husband was in the shower and the wife was downstairs. Seen that tape yourself? Yet?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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if your wife really loved and trusted you she wouldn't have believed the cops... and divorced you.

Hmmm.

White Wash wrote the following in response to Whiston's post which follows:
Wait I thought Fred and Billy where the first to her room with the police!
Kathleen was the first very interesting!
Syblia where are you??? More on the red truck next
to the gallery PLEASE!
Whiston did you find out what was next to gallery?
Thanks!

Whiston wrote:
hi all one more thing, every single person i have shown or discussed kurtis' poem with has had the same response.'wow he knows why Maura left'.this is not my opininon it has been theres.how many other times did Maura leave in the past.was Kathleen the first person in Mauras room after she vanished.take care philip

Philip, this is where punctuation is important. Philip wrote:
.....past.was Kathleen the first person in Mauras room after she vanished.

This sentence is actually a question. Philip is asking if Kathleen was the first person in the room after Maura vanished.

The answer to this is "no." WW, it was Fred and Billy.

White Wash wrote:

Well unless the DNA on the air bags is lying yea
I'm going with she locked the car and walked!
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White Wash, I did not know there was DNA from the air bags. When was this done and what are the results? Does it prove only Maura or was it Maura in the Saturn? I assume you wouldn;t have stated this unless it was a fact.

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White Wash wrote:
If one pulls up the actual court reports.
The will find that it was Dec 2005 that
Fred Murray filed in Superior Court.

It was after CW came forward in his letter to Gov Benson.

It was one year ago in his letter to Gov Lynch making that 2/9/05.

The Letter to Gov. Benson very interesting and worth the re-read

Lady Gray wrote:
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I'm going to list a timeline here. This is a very important timeline, and I'm referring to everyone reading this (Shack?), so pay very close attention to the dates. And the YEAR. This year has been corrected before but it has been ignored.
2004, May 29 - Maura's dorm items and computer retrieved from her dorm room by family.
2004, June 15 - Fred Murray files 1st Freedom of Information Act.
2004, June 22 - Fred Murray is informed that Major Crimes is involved in Maura's case.(hope!)
2004, June 25 - SIU of Major Crimes (State Police) go to the home of Maura's sister and retrieve items for which there is a signed receipt.
At the same time, the computer is retrieved. Receipt of the computer, by NH State Police, is NOT noted.
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White Wash, you are correct. And, yes, you can go pull up the actual court documents and find that Fred Murray filed a case in Superior Court in December 2005.

However, Fred Murray filed his 1st Freedom of Information Act on June 15, 2004.

Those are 2 completely different actions.

So, you have the Freedom of Information Act filed on June 15, 2004. And, you have Mr. Murray's action filed in Superior Court in December 2005. The link above is for his cause in the Supreme Court which was argued November 2006.

So, the timeline above stands as is.

I'll pull out and post separately language taken from the Supreme Court brief.

JMO wrote:

whiston/philip ~ quoted here is your oft repeated statement:
"as i have said i think it is odd that mr Murray did not stop in amherst and check Mauras room."
you have the luxury to be looking back in judgment of Fred Murray, when he most likely had only his instinct and shock to guide his decisions at that time. in crisis and in grief there seems to be no "standard" of predictable behavior, at least in my opinion.

I don't think this statement was "oft repeated" by the poster. I think whiston asked it once. Then I jumped on it and talked about it. Maybe whiston posted the question again. IMO he wasn't belaboring the question, nor judging Fred. I keep wondering if I was in shock and headed for the locale of a missing loved one, would I get off the highway to check out their room/apt/house? There'd be conflicting goals --- the speed to the site, etc. vs. something important of note in their home --- so I don't know --- maybe --- but it is an interesting question to bring up here IMO.