Where is MAURA MURRAY

elsewherebriefly wrote:
Hi Lady Gray,
I know you are not questioning the phrase but 'telling someone where the dog is buried' is a saying that is as old as dirt. It means the same as telling someone to go hell, go screw yourself, eat you know what and die, etc, etc.
Interestingly, I've yet to meet a dog I didn't genuinely like but I can't say that about people, especially a few on this forum.
When I began posting on this forum Alden called me Elsie and I let him know that I didn't appreciate the endearment, I didn't like him, and I didn't trust him. That's what I was referencing in that particular post you were quoting.
Maybe this is purely my opinion but I deemed the below paragraph a verbal attack against Helena considering she was the moderator of MMM. A lot was being said about MMM by Alden and others that was not kind and I openly told Helena how sorry I was while the MMM forum was still up and running. She replied by letting me know she appreciated how I felt.
The particular post below was one that I couldn't help but take personally as well.
Like I said, I've yet to meet a dog I didn't genuinely like. Can't say that for people though.
"It is well known that many people who might have information about a crime hesitate to go to the police. However, they often will develop confidence in coming forward by viewing and testing the tone and conduct of a forum like the MMM board. There is no other board on the internet officially endorsed and operated by the Murray family. The MMM board occupies a unique position in the flow of public discourse and therefore assumes a public responsibility.
Because the MMM board and the Murray family’s private investigator, Frank Kelly, are so inter-related and virtually indistinguishable to the public, his recent post on the MMM board (“and I have gun”) can be viewed as an attempt to intimidate the general public and therefore to disrupt the normal flow of assistance from the public to law enforcement.
The MMM board does not appear to be merely lazy, uninformed, unorganized, or intolerant. Its behavior in discouraging public discourse appears to have been sufficiently concerted and uniform over such a length of time that a reasonable case can be made that they are trying to interfere with an official investigation by law enforcement.
If the MMM board, masquerading as a public forum, actually represents a true attempt to undermine or discourage the genuine assistance normally provided by the public to law enforcement, then those responsible for maintaining the site, including its moderators, come dangerously close to obstructing justice.
The New Hampshire Attorney General should review the MMM board’s public postings and private message archives in order to determine whether or not their conduct is either illegal or meets the standard for a civil action.
If the Murray family’s private investigators have, for past three years now, relentlessly harassed and interfered with, for no good reason, the private life of an utterly innocent individual, if they have engaged in “covert alteration” of his environment, if they have sacked his business, if they have spread the most malicious and false rumors imaginable about him, then there can be no complaint about any scrutiny given the MMM discussion board."

Lady Grey wrote:
Thank you. I knew there was something I was missing. I appreciate this post. This board is absolutely incredulous. I sit here and think why do I find myself actually in the position of responding to these posts? I do so because I want to protect whatever integrity there is on the case of Maura Murray.

FireCat writes:

Interestingly enough, in reference to Alden's bizarre accusations and suggestions that NH's AG should check the MMM forum and PM archives for illegal activity, that's some of the information that was released under FIOA, so that FRED could have access to them.

So much for Alden's conspiracy theories.

FireCat ,thankyou for posting the article about Kathleen calling that states Kathleen called mr Murray from Mauras apartment to let him know she was missing.your post says Kathleen called mr Murray from her apartment.which is it. Was Maura living in Kennedy Hall when she vanished.Was ther an ongoing problem in Mauras life that caused mrMurray to say 'Maura this is me ... like always we will solve this'. MONDAY A.M. billy spoke with Maura where is that ping. How did Billy know by feb 13 the call he got was from a calling card.take care philip

Firecat... the first time I ever heard anything about the hockey bag was from the JO article.
Unfortunately, this article is not listed on their web page archives.

Maybe white wash will run it again.

Maybe the reporter got "apartment" and "dorm room" confused. But that would put her sister in the dorm room before Fred and Billy arrived there. Maybe the reporter was confused about a lot of what he wrote. Hard to say.


But... I'd say there's a pretty good chance Maura was not headed to her dorm room Thursday night (very early Friday AM, actually) after having received the disturbing phone call. Which was about an hour after Vasi was hit. In fact, her dorm room did not even look like it was lived in. It seems very possible, even probable, that Maura spent nights at an off-campus location.

Was the Corolla in Amherst Thursday?

FireCat wrote:

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Yes, they WOULD know that, if they performed tests on them. Which still hasn't been confirmed here.
Yellow paint is not the only thing they should be searching for.....but I'm curious....do you mean school bus yellow?

No, I mean yellow bellied liars.

Philip--as I said before, I am merely reporting what Lady Grey posted. She says that the article is incorrect, that Kathleen called Fred from HER OWN apartment. I have no first-hand knowledge of this; however, I believe Lady Grey because I suspect she asked Kathleen about it when she read it.

"Like always we will solve this" is something any father might say to his daughter. When a six year old can't find her roller skates. When a thirteen year old gets dumped by her first boyfriend and is heartbroken. When she accidentally cracks up her dad's Corolla. Dads legendarily fix prolems and come to the aid of their daughters (I too am a youngest daughter). They see us as their baby girls, no matter whether we're six or sixty. I think you're reading too much into that. I think it's simply a case of "Whatever it is, like everything we've ever tackled together, nothing is insurmountable with us, because I'm your dad and I love you."

The calling card call to Billy was traced to a calling card number. FROM WHICH, I would like to emphasise, NO INFORMATION CAN BE GOTTEN. MEANING THAT CALL WAS NOT NOT NOT FROM THE RED CROSS. THEY CANNOT DETERMINE THAT without the pin number located on the physical calling card.

As for the physical logistics of whether the number showed up on his caller ID, or whether the police had to trace it, I don't know, but they quickly traced it back to a calling card number. AGAIN, NOT THE RED CROSS.

(that isn't directed at you specifically, I just wanted to emphasize it again, since it's still often talked about incorrectly)

mcsmom wrote:

Firecat... the first time I ever heard anything about the hockey bag was from the JO article.
Unfortunately, this article is not listed on their web page archives.
Maybe white wash will run it again.

Thanks Mcsmom. That confirms what I'd remembered. Let me see if I have it floating around the computer somewhere.....

YELLOW. Like the color of the very large speed bumps in front of Amherst Regional High School just before entering Mattoon Street where Vasi was found. THAT yellow!

FireCat wrote:

The calling card call to Billy was traced to a calling card number. FROM WHICH, I would like to emphasise, NO INFORMATION CAN BE GOTTEN. MEANING THAT CALL WAS NOT NOT NOT FROM THE RED CROSS. THEY CANNOT DETERMINE THAT without the pin number located on the physical calling card.

That the call was NOT NOT NOT from the Red Cross is no information? How can it be said that the call was NOT from the Red Cross if NOTHING is known about where the call came from?

How can it be said that the call was NOT NOT NOT from the Red Cross if there is NO information to establish this non-call?

Meant not established to be from the Red Cross. I actually noticed that unclarity in my post right after I posted it. Thanks for pointing it out.

HOWEVER, it HAS been traced to a CALLING CARD. It is not a non-call. You need to study more Aristotle, dude. Just because you can't see things first hand doesn't mean they don't exist.

Harry wrote:

YELLOW. Like the color of the very large speed bumps in front of Amherst Regional High School just before entering Mattoon Street where Vasi was found. THAT yellow!

Oh for chrissake, not THAT again.

hi Firecat and all.i think your explanation of Gary Lindsleys are as valid as mine.How much time elapsed between Mauras alleged visit to the ATM and the liquor store visit.was it a few minutes. was it an hour.Harry ,great question about the call to Billys phone.i remember reading that umass gave callinng cards to students.could Maura have picked something up over christmas break.Still lots to learn about Mauras prior life in and before Amherst.What am i missing about the people that were near Maura not posting.too odd.. take care philip

FireCat wrote:

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Oh for chrissake, not THAT again.

Hello FireCat & all,

I respect you, but why so adamant here?
I don´t myself think it likely that Maura herself could have been driving the Saturn IF it indeed hit Petrit Vasi.
However, it is not inconceivable that a close friend of Maura´s might have been driving her car at the time and that this could be one reason why the car had to be disposed of.

What if there was a "secret" boyfriend and he was responsible for the hit-and-run. Perhaps this was the reason why Maura was so upset after having received that mystery call at¨the Melville dorm security desk?

Please tell me someone copied that and knows how to transfer it here!!LOL

On another note, let me pull in some off topic judges, evening news states a third person will be arraigned in Haverhill on the brutal murder of Chris Gray a couple weeks ago! She will be arraigned in the morning.

Just to let those of you whom live away from this area, Maura missing, Tom Conrad shot as he arrived home from work and Chris Gray murder happened within a couple miles of each other!!

Anne, I remember that you typed out the whole
article...it was February 13th issue...
and submitted it to the FIT ....

Maybe Whiston's computer smart wife can help.!?

(unless you want to type it again.?..lol)

Anne, yeh....regarding locations...in fact one
of my recent Posts, I wrote "Tyson, thinking of
you" cuz I know he lives "quite CLOSE by"...

FireCat wrote:

Meant not established to be from the Red Cross. I actually noticed that unclarity in my post right after I posted it. Thanks for pointing it out.
HOWEVER, it HAS been traced to a CALLING CARD. It is not a non-call. You need to study more Aristotle, dude. Just because you can't see things first hand doesn't mean they don't exist.

Not a non-call? Really? Gee, I didn't get that.(Wow!)

The American Red Cross is never abbreviated as AMRC. However, the ambulance company that responded to the crash (in NH, it's called EmCare) is sometimes called AMRC because it's sometimes called American Medical Response Corporation, the sister corporation of Emcare. By coincidence, EmCare/AMRC and the school bus company, First Student, both have, in effect, an office virtually across the street from Kennedy.

FireCat wrote:

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Oh for chrissake, not THAT again.

Ever the opened-minded.

Your posts could not be better designed to conceal what happened to Maura Murray than they already are.

Not really but will move on before you have a melt down!

Since you have lost your "big girl panties"

Oh by the way I don't care about your
preferences I want to know what was STATED ON THE INVENTORY which have
not seen for you self.

FireCat wrote:

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Probably most people, regardless of gender, can tell a sports bra from a regular bra.
Who cares how many men say "drawers"? I usually say "underwear" but you jumped on the person who used that exact term because it wasn't specific enough for top/bottom for you. And now this?
This is ridiculous. What are you trying to prove with this post and this line of questioning? The question was asked--what was and wasn't found--and answered--sports bras and regular bras were, the undergarment that covers your ass was not, whatever one chooses to call it.
Satisfied?