Where is MAURA MURRAY

Mason wrote:

I’m not saying it works all the time, but when it does, it sends a chill up your spine. And it works far more often that chance would predict.

Any time someone guesses correctly it should send shivers up your spine. And I have never seen any legitimate study that makes anyone believe it happens more than random chance. I have seen them (psychics) get cues from the people who know the details of the case but never have heard of any study when the psychic actually “leads” anyone to anywhere useful “cold”. They usually read body cues etc from the investigators or family when these miracles occur. That is what psychics are actually "expert" at. In the double blind studies I have seen over the years psychics fail and fail at the same rate that everyone else fails who tries it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but some opinions are not at odds with the laws of physics and the rational world.

Bill

gvmeabrk wrote:

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I have also asked for a description from the locals. Never answered.

Even if I had a picture I would not send it to a complete stranger on the internet or even give a description of him as IMO it would put him and anyone living in his household in danger.
The locality of his house has been put on the old MMM site and I believe this site also although I don't have the time to search here for it.To give a description of him or send a picture to someone is certainly NOT a good idea.

gymeabrk -- like I suggested to Saturnus, and I could be wrong, but did he go to Woodsville High School? I didn't find him on this list today, although a few years ago I thought I had seen his last name:

http://familystacks.com/alumni/class4.htm

If so, YEARBOOKS, PUBLIC LIBRARY???

CW was not a graduation of WHS!
I thought he moved from MA to Manchester than from there here.

Quija wrote:

gymeabrk -- like I suggested to Saturnus, and I could be wrong, but did he go to Woodsville High School? I didn't find him on this list today, although a few years ago I thought I had seen his last name:
http://familystacks.com/alumni/class4.htm
If so, YEARBOOKS, PUBLIC LIBRARY???

I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about CW going to Woodsville HS. There's a chance it's one of 2 other towns in NH, tho... Allenstown or Goffstown. It's OK to post this, right? It'd just be written alumni lists?

Quija wrote:

I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about CW going to Woodsville HS. There's a chance it's one of 2 other towns in NH, tho... Allenstown or Goffstown. It's OK to post this, right? It'd just be written alumni lists?

It is probably never all right to inject someone’s name into a criminal investigation without some proof that they did something more than witness something. In fact I would consider it a stupid idea for more than one reason.

First, it lets possible perps know who this person is.
Second, why would anyone want to help if they know that some person is going to smear their name and picture onto a public forum.
Third, it may make them the victim of unwanted and more importantly unwarranted attention, not only them but also family members.

Do you need more reasons NOT to do this?

Bill

WTF-the-original wrote:

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It is probably never all right to inject someone’s name into a criminal investigation without some proof that they did something more than witness something. In fact I would consider it a stupid idea for more than one reason.
First, it lets possible perps know who this person is.
Second, why would anyone want to help if they know that some person is going to smear their name and picture onto a public forum.
Third, it may make them the victim of unwanted and more importantly unwarranted attention, not only them but also family members.
Do you need more reasons NOT to do this?
Bill

Nope. That was pretty thorough! I haven't posted photos of anyone, just the idea of taking a trip to a library to see old pictures. You are right that until a person is "wanted" by authorities or convicted, it's a real invasion to post their picture. In general, tho, it's time to remember The Golden Rule I guess.

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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LE would be able to obtain that information through either the boarder patrol or the RCMP,
as the matter of Maura's disappearance is a criminal investigation

I have to disagree. Back in those days it was very easy to cross into CA. The times I crossed over to go shopping or to Granby Zoo we were only asked for the reason we were going into CA.
The Border Patrol person looked inside our vehicle while he was talking to us and then told us to have a good time.
Oh, we had to tell him appox when we would be returning. As a passenger I was never asked to show an ID and I think only once my husband was asked for his DL.
It was harder to get back into the US than it was to get into CA.
Sad how things have changed.

WTF T O, Yes, you are right. When I gave the descriptin of the man I saw Maura with, I asked if anyone recognised the description.

Mason wrote:

I apologize to anyone who has been offended by my dark humor. It's one of the ways I managed to retain some semblance of sanity as I struggled to save my client's lives in so many death penalty cases.
Maura's case means many things to me and one of them is penance.
And we're not done. In many ways we have not ventured far from the starting line. You all are just going to have to learn to put up with me.
Peace.

While I hesitate to interrupt the flow of conversation I wonder...

What were Maura's living circumstances on campus? Did she reside in a single room?

It seems unusual that former or previous roommates/friends/acquaintance s/classmates were and are silent.

The on-campus caller, however, seems to hold the key to having delivered bad news or otherwise provoking Maura's emotional response, distress, and apparent Amherst departure.

Forgive, please, for restating the obvious.

I agree with posters who suggest the causative factor in Maura's leaving Amherst may be unrelated to her fate in arriving in northern NH.

I am still stuck on the Vasi connection...her possible involvement with a hit and run to explain her intent to abandon, if only temporarily, her established life, while risking traveling alone(?) to a destination unknown to the principals in her life.

We cannot be certain she was traveling alone.

Also, someone in her family or social circle would likely know whether Maura was in the habit of drinking or overdrinking to comfort herself.

If regular drinking and/or drinking while driving was totally uncharacteristic, I'd question whether it was made to appear as if Maura had been drinking and driving before the crash.

Is it possible a passenger was drinking, but not Maura? Or possible she and a passenger were drinking together?

Mason, your conversational writing style hardly reflects "dark" humor as much as your being a well seasoned investigator who punctuates each concept with comic relief before moving on to the next.
Your sensitivity to the dignity of Maura's disappearance is evident.

Keep the momentum going forward...

Hey Beagle Bart..

Are you lurking? Are you OK? Just a concerned cyber friend.

Mason wrote:

Part 1
I keep thinking about the telephone call at work that freaked out Maura. I think the sister with whom she spoke earlier and some folks who have posted comments on this site have too casually brushed the call aside. Maura doesn’t seem to me to be the sort of woman to feign hysteria and tears to get off work an hour early, even if she’s tired and wants to get some sleep. Besides, the call precipitated panicked and desperate behavior that was uncharacteristic. No, that call frightened her out of her wits. I think her pretty successful effort to hide her terror from others, including her family demonstrates her inner strength and resolve not involve them in her predicament. She decided to bear that burden alone.
The person who called her around 1 am not only knew she was working, s/he knew where she was working, and what number to dial to contact her. This person must have known her schedule very well, probably as well as her family and probably better than some of her friends. The caller also used a campus phone that university police haven’t been able to trace back to a specific caller, which I find ominous and disturbing.

Is it confirmed that this phone call occurred? It seems like there is some question on this point. This information wasn't added to the Wiki article until 7/3/2008. Does anyone know who Advocate4Maura is? S/he seems to be the main one updating the that article now.

Also, as I asked earlier, is this case an open and active investigation or not? LE? PI?

I know there are a number of theories/speculations/supposit ions that the damage to the car happened at another location. Does everyone agree with the fact that the damage to the car is completely inconsistent with the direction the car was going. The damage mostly certainly would have been to the passenger side of the car.

Hello all,

It has always seemed to me that the "mystery" call to Maura at the security desk on campus is a vital key to the unfolding events, whether directly or indirectly related to the Petrit Vasi hit-and-run case or not.

I fully agree with Mason who described that call as "disturbing" in one of his interesting posts recently.
Apparently the call originated from an on-campus location, but the caller has not been traced, according to the publicly known information and has "moved on".
Now what does that really mean?
If the presumably unknown caller is known to have "moved on", how on earth could it then be said that the identity of the caller is not known.
If the "mystery" caller has in fact "moved on" from a previously known location, then his/her identity must surely be known by LE?

Any ideas about this???

Does "moved on" mean that they can't be located?

It is an active case with the NHSP/Major Crime
Unit.

In the beginning there was some confusion on
the call since Maura's Sister Kathleen had
spoken with her and that was the call they
believe made her upset.

I have always found it odd that the College could/wouldn't trace the call to that phone
back to the caller.

I don't think there was comfirmation until much
later by Maura's supervisor and that was posted a
few pages ago so whoever posted that maybe could
do so again.

Maura had a single room at College!

But when her supervisor was walking her back to her room she stated she had a room mate?

SOM wrote:

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Is it confirmed that this phone call occurred? It seems like there is some question on this point. This information wasn't added to the Wiki article until 7/3/2008. Does anyone know who Advocate4Maura is? S/he seems to be the main one updating the that article now.
Also, as I asked earlier, is this case an open and active investigation or not? LE? PI?

Excellent Point!!

It means someone knows who the caller was doesn't it.

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello all,
It has always seemed to me that the "mystery" call to Maura at the security desk on campus is a vital key to the unfolding events, whether directly or indirectly related to the Petrit Vasi hit-and-run case or not.
I fully agree with Mason who described that call as "disturbing" in one of his interesting posts recently.
Apparently the call originated from an on-campus location, but the caller has not been traced, according to the publicly known information and has "moved on".
Now what does that really mean?
If the presumably unknown caller is known to have "moved on", how on earth could it then be said that the identity of the caller is not known.
If the "mystery" caller has in fact "moved on" from a previously known location, then his/her identity must surely be known by LE?
Any ideas about this???

Sorry I'm still holding on most if not all damage
happening there but more than willing to listen
to others for sure!

SOM wrote:

I know there are a number of theories/speculations/supposit ions that the damage to the car happened at another location. Does everyone agree with the fact that the damage to the car is completely inconsistent with the direction the car was going. The damage mostly certainly would have been to the passenger side of the car.

White Wash wrote:

Sorry I'm still holding on most if not all damage
happening there but more than willing to listen
to others for sure!
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I don't presume to know what happened...I'm not saying I think the theories about the damage occurring in another location are right or wrong...I just wanted to acknowledge that others had talked about it. But mainly, I want people to discuss how the damage that we KNOW happened by looking at the car could have happened based on the direction of the car, road conditions, position of trees, etc. I honestly don't see how the damage we see on the car could have happened based on those things.

White Wash wrote:

I have always found it odd that the College could/wouldn't trace the call to that phone back to the caller.<quoted text>

My belief is that the call was from someone on campus and as such the call wouldn’t go through the phone company switchboard so there is no way that the call can be “traced” because it isn’t even a call as far as a billable item and the phone company only cares about billable items. It is probably a situation where the call is made only using three or four digits so a true “switchboard” isn’t involved.

Bill