Where is MAURA MURRAY

Saturnus....

Why do you need a pix of CW? Do you have info which should be shared with LE or PI'S? I know what he looks like.

Laurieisgone.....

Do you have a more detailed area of where you were when you saw the underwear? What actual road were you on? Route 3 or 112 or something else. I have searched plenty of areas around here from haverhill to Lincoln to Littleton to Bethlehem and beyond. The place sounds familiar, but alot of things look the same here. Where did you stay when you were here, what town and rd. if you don't mind me asking?

MASON

We welcome your opinions and observations and your devotion. A new mind is what we need here on this forum. Keep it up..!

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

Part 11
the SBD called Hanover 911, which in tern relayed the message to Haverhill. Haverhill in turned called him back at 1943 however he was NOT IN, his wife stated that the girl was gone and that they did not know where she was, and that her husband had seen the accident....curious....and at odds with the SBD testimony. Why did he not come to the PHONE? Why did she not take the phone to him as he was allegedly in the bus doing paper work..
The SBD states he called from the porch and that when he finally got through to the police when he came outside the police had arrived which is 1946.
Allegedly he went to his bus to do paper work (he had just returned from a Ski Trip to the White Mountains area. The neighbour Marrott, states that the SBD, backed his bus all the way to his garage, and he had never done that before and that he stayed there a long time...although SBD version of events is that he went directly into the house and told his wife about the accident and tried to phone?!
Given that the airbags were deployed and the force which they deploy, one would expect that possibly the person was injured, especially since the occupant of the car was sitting doing nothing for 5 plus minutes before he arrived without the car on, and he states she was shivering.
Therefore to park the bus all the way up the driveway, one would think that given the circumstances of the occupant refusing help and asking him not to call police, and the airbags deployed and the damage to the car, one would assume that he would want to keep a close watch on her.......
OK so he sits on his bus allegedly, after he sees the police had arrived, yet he does not go down to the accident site but waits for Sgt. Smith to come to him, then he goes on a search for Maura, heading down to the French Pond Road area and the Stage Stop Store...
The SBD then assists Trooper Monahan to search the area for foot tracks, but we hear little of these, nor are the foot tracks notated on Sgt, Smith's accident report....
A kettle of fish for sure...someone correct me if I left out anything or miscommunicated the SBD actions, events...

Please keep in mind that when the accident first happened it was no big deal. That corner had other people go off the road before. No one could foresee that the driver would disappear or I'm sure they would have paid more attention.
The SBD's driveway did not go way back. He had a very short driveway on the side of his house and a place in the front that he also parked.
I've said this before but it's worth saying again.
He very often backed into the driveway as he could not back out into the road on a sharp curve.
Why the neighbor said he never did that before is beyond me.

looking4amoose wrote:

From Verizon's website: Pinging a cell phone is finding out what cell tower their phone is in. This can be used to locate a person that you know has the cell phone. This is used by law enforcement on a regular basis.Usually the information is provided by the cellular provider and you have to have an account with them. In 911 systems the location is broadcast with the call.
If a person guy is carrying a cell phone the phone is constantly sending signals to the closest cell tower, even if the phone isn't in use. The location of the cell tower will tell you that the person is within a certain range. When the person moves they can be tracked by which cell towers the signal is bouncing to.

Aren't you saying that her phone would have sending signals that would have been picked up by any tower within range? Doesn't that mean the opposite of what some posters have said (i.e., that someone within range of the Londonderry Tower tried to call her)?

Maybe I'm tired and blocked, but I'm reading your message to say her phone was within the 20 mile range of the Londonderry Tower.

If my supposition is correct, how did her phone get all the way over there, unless someone else drove the Saturn from North Amherst up to Woodsville? One explanation would be that someone else had her cell phone. But who would that be and why? If she had it, then someone else drove the Saturn, which many people have suggested given that the only witness (SBD) to place her in the Saturn has waffled on the certainty of his identification.

My head is going to explode.

Wowzer Qoute.....

"Please keep in mind that when the accident first happened it was no big deal. That corner had other people go off the road before. No one could foresee that the driver would disappear or I'm sure they would have paid more attention."

NO BIG DEAL......A person was there and then they were gone.

So this is why the investigation that night was so sloppy...they did not pay attention.

This explains alot.

If anyone had paid more attention that night, LE and witnesses....maybe Maura would be with her family right now.!..Just a thought.

Mason wrote:

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Aren't you saying that her phone would have sending signals that would have been picked up by any tower within range? Doesn't that mean the opposite of what some posters have said (i.e., that someone within range of the Londonderry Tower tried to call her)?
Maybe I'm tired and blocked, but I'm reading your message to say her phone was within the 20 mile range of the Londonderry Tower.
If my supposition is correct, how did her phone get all the way over there, unless someone else drove the Saturn from North Amherst up to Woodsville? One explanation would be that someone else had her cell phone. But who would that be and why? If she had it, then someone else drove the Saturn, which many people have suggested given that the only witness (SBD) to place her in the Saturn has waffled on the certainty of his identification.
My head is going to explode.

Exactly....Verizon states that the ping is off of the phone that is called...not the phone making the call. So...either Maura, or her phone, was osmewhere near Londonderry.

7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry

Any calls to Maura would have gone through her Sprint carrier, they searched the Sprint tower records for calls to her and found someone tried her number, and that phone pinged the Londonderry tower within a 20 mile radius.

Dawn wrote:

Mason
I liked your reply! Now I have a little more background. I do think it is very odd that the family has been quiet too except for Fred wanting information and his brave searchs for his daughter. I would think you would see more of a family plea from the begining from siblings too. Also - why keep her job a secret? That is troublesome.

When I first discovered that the family refused to divulge the name of the gallery where she worked, I concluded that Maura must have gotten into some trouble there and the family didn't want that information to become public. Off I went playing the what-if game ranging from she got caught stealing some money out of the till, to stealing some artwork or other product they sell, to selling a work of art for less than the marked price, to having an affair with someone who worked there, etc.

When I discovered that not only might she not have unpacked her things in the dorm since she moved in 2-3 weeks earlier, but she also had all her things in boxes on the bed instead of the floor, I started thinking she was not sleeping in her room.

My nimble and oh so dirty mind then dialed up the possibility of her having an affair with someone at the art gallery that might have ended badly during the 1 am Friday morning call at work no less in which her lover said, "I don't deserve you. It's been nice, but I really need to go back to my wife because I don't want to lose the kids. Oh, and by the way, don't bother coming to work tomorrow. Betty is on to us and she'd bust an artery if she sees you in the shop. Have a nice day."

I mean, really! What's up with that? I hate to be crass about our capitalist ethic, but what business person would pass up an opportunity to draw more people into the store even if those people just want to check out the store where the beautiful girl who disappeared used to work?

Yet another baffling example of stonewalling for no apparent reason other than to hide something that might embarrass the family.

Excuse me, but the thought has occurred to me that this family is more concerned about its image than finding out what happened to Maura and, if that's true, maybe she ran away to escape the spiritual desert of growing up in a family that values image over substance and a parent or parents who are so controlling that they try to micromanage ever detail of their children's lives so that they produce perfect little Stepford children who excel at everything they do and are a real credit to their parents.

Alright, I've clearly said enough, but I've invested a lot of time and energy in trying to solve a heart-wrenching disappearance and the last thing I want to do is be an unwitting party to an effort to find a beautiful and smart young woman who realized one day that she did not know herself and decided that to survive with her sanity intact she had to set out on her own to discover who she was and in so doing reclaim her soul.

I apologize for spewing like this, but I resent it when the people I'm trying to help throw obstacles in my way.

Detective Columbo wrote:

If anyone had paid more attention that night, LE and witnesses....maybe Maura would be with her family right now.!..Just a thought.

With all due respect, cop shows up at minor mva witness says she turned down his offer to call pd. no obvious sign of struggle seen or reported by nearby residents. alcohol in car. no tracks into snow. report states. search of roadway assisted by fd and ems. cop will depend on experience and is judged by weather he did what was reasonable. easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight. But with out 20/20 hindsight you may be a little harsh

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly....Verizon states that the ping is off of the phone that is called...not the phone making the call. So...either Maura, or her phone, was osmewhere near Londonderry.

Well, shiver me timbers! We're in a new ball game, mate.
Hmnnn. Pirates, baseball players, and Ausies. D'ya think they'd mix at a party?
Maybe, not so much.

TX Det.C for confirming my Post re: trailer,
sold, moved, searched....

I think its important to keep in mind that Maura's family has tried unsuccessfully to get the FBI involved from the git go.

Okay, we wouldn't know what to do, if we had a simple problem to solve. So, I guess it's a given that we don't know and can't find out what time that ping occurred, right? Of course not. Silly me for asking.

I'm going to take a break and watch a submarine movie with pirates, parrots that swear, baseball players, and lots of stark raving mad Ausies accompanied by pinging, yes, lots of pinging, and an occasional exploding depth charge nearby, all set to splendid music. How about and endless loop of Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries, Tchikovsky's 1812 overture, and the Hallelujah Chorus.

GOAT QUOTE

"With all due respect, cop shows up at minor mva witness says she turned down his offer to call pd. no obvious sign of struggle seen or reported by nearby residents. alcohol in car. no tracks into snow. report states. search of roadway assisted by fd and ems. cop will depend on experience and is judged by weather he did what was reasonable. easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight. But with out 20/20 hindsight you may be a little harsh"

EXPERIENCE......CS seems to not have enough, in my opinion. He was even quoted as saying " I did not search that night because I do not know the area very well. How long had CS worked for Haverhill PD at the time of Maura's acc./disappearance?

This seems to be true as a witness states they were passed by him on Goose lane headed to the scene and when same witness got to the intersection of French Pond rd. and 112, he came by the witness again coming eastbond on 112 towards the scene. This means when he came to the intersection he turned the wrong way and headed west towards 302 rather than east towards the acc. scene.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Someone has been misinformed....
The CW still lives in his house where he did when Maura went missing. I do believe it is for sale though.
Also his trailer was searched after it was sold by him. LE got a warrant to search it where it was located in Lyme, NH.

I'm the misinformed one Detective Columbo. I'm also a clutz and a dipstick.

Thanks for piping up with the correction, I'm sure I'm not the only one from MMM who thought he moved to RI.

Thanks also Shack for following up about the trailer.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly....Verizon states that the ping is off of the phone that is called...not the phone making the call. So...either Maura, or her phone, was osmewhere near Londonderry.

Hello all,

So if this information is correct, then Maura (and/or her cell phone) would likely have been travelling up the I-93 from eastern MA into NH towards Lincoln, NH.
If so, did Maura (or at least the driver of her Saturn) in fact exit the I-93 at Lincoln/North Woodstock in order to continue on NH Rte 112 west from Lincoln towards Swiftwater/Haverhill?
Can we draw such a possible conclusion here, at least as a kind of working hypothesis???

Mason- regarding your previous post, I'd just like to point out that if there was a history of mental illness in the family, I would imagine that they would probably be very quiet about that. Might explain the mother's behavior, although I wonder if there really is "normal" behavior associated with having a missing child- I would think that everyone would react differently. I hate to be too hard on this family, being a very private person myself I cannot imagine having this sort of tragedy happen and then having my every move scrutinized.

Also, regarding the fact that her friends are quiet, my guess would be that they are quiet because they don't know much about her. They said she was very private- what can they add if they didn't know her well? Just the fact that they are not involved in the discussion is pertinent information in my mind- I think it may mean that Maura was checking out a little bit socially.

Also, the more I read, the more it seems like Maura sort of packed up when she left her car- she took a big backpack and her undergarments. Doesn't this seem weird to anyone else?

pansie wrote:

Mason- regarding your previous post, I'd just like to point out that if there was a history of mental illness in the family, I would imagine that they would probably be very quiet about that. Might explain the mother's behavior, although I wonder if there really is "normal" behavior associated with having a missing child- I would think that everyone would react differently. I hate to be too hard on this family, being a very private person myself I cannot imagine having this sort of tragedy happen and then having my every move scrutinized.
Also, regarding the fact that her friends are quiet, my guess would be that they are quiet because they don't know much about her. They said she was very private- what can they add if they didn't know her well? Just the fact that they are not involved in the discussion is pertinent information in my mind- I think it may mean that Maura was checking out a little bit socially.
Also, the more I read, the more it seems like Maura sort of packed up when she left her car- she took a big backpack and her undergarments. Doesn't this seem weird to anyone else?

It doesn't seem weird because your information is not accurate.

Maura did not carry a purse. Her "purse" was her backpack.

Why do you say she took her undergarments? Because some are missing? Did you see them in her backpack?

This is where speculation could turn into fact.
Be careful of what you intimate because things can get skewed.