Where is MAURA MURRAY

LvsNH wrote:

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At the risk of being flamed - what if it was a bad cop that night? Could this have caused her to want to get away?

early on i remember checking out the cop a little bit and he seemed like a good man. that's JMO. Digging around in amherst i'm sure others can you more details.

Quija wrote:

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I NEVER heard Maura was taken to the station at all. Never heard about a breathalizer. Just the accident report of driver distracted. Common sense says she had had SOMEthing to drink with friends, and I believe various articles (accurate journalism or maybe not) did say that she was at a little party drinking with friends. The tube of COLGATE toothpaste (in that sad picture of her sister Kathleen with Maura's possessions spread out around her) makes me think that after Maura skidded out into the T-intersection and before Officer Ruddick appeared, that Maura "minted" up her breath with that toothpaste. As I've said, and others have said, it might've been better if she HAD been taken in to the station for a DUI as it might've derailed the events leading up to her disappearance. Or maybe not.... I'm guessing a fingerful of Colgate toothpaste along with Maura crying after an upsetting, surprise skidout kept the officer from issuing a breathlizer, etc. JMO

Mauras possessions including the toothpaste where found in the saturn not her fathers car.

Mastermind wrote:

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Please elaborate ...and feel free to wear this flame-retardant suit.-()-
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Plenty of other posters speculate, that's what I am doing - a what if - I don't know anything, I am just throwing out a possibility.

FLAME ON!!!

LvsNH wrote:

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Plenty of other posters speculate, that's what I am doing - a what if - I don't know anything, I am just throwing out a possibility.
FLAME ON!!!

Well, there have been other posters who brought up something that Fred may have said, which was in regards to her being afraid for her safety. Do you think that perhaps it had anything to do with her accident in the Corolla less than 48 hours before she disappeared? Or, perhaps, someone else who held some type of authority was taunting her, stressing her out, making her afraid. Why would she be afraid for her safety at Amherst? This is why I place value into your speculation, because if it was in fact a cop that was scaring her, well, that can be really intimidating.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Mauras possessions including the toothpaste where found in the saturn not her fathers car.

Whoa! Good point! I was off-base there! She probably didn't have that backpack with her on Saturday night, right? Well, letting that tube of Colgate go, some mints or gum might have covered up any scent of a drink. Or.... are you thinking that she just attended the party and didn't even have drinks with the others? In a way, it doesn't matter, does it?

Greetings all, so sorry to hear of the terrible storm that crippled parts of new england...hope ya all have lights and heat...my computer cord fried IBM think pad and having a heck of a time to find a replacement....using an old mac 9.2 and the processor (whatever it is, is as slow as cold molasses) each page took 5-10 minutes to load, anyway it has been a painful morning and afternoon, sitting reading what has been written during the last few days)

Calling Fred a jerk, well that is a stretch... personally more could have been done to contact Fred, for example send the police to his address,
secondly the police should have contact the University of Mass...right away!

-given that the police considered Maura inebriated and from out of town, Maura should have been considered endangered immediately, due to darkness, cold, and remoteness of what laid ahead east on 112 the supposed direction in which she was traveling...

-the fact that the sbd never mentions that he asked maura her destination is very odd, perhaps he did and never mentioned...

Given that Maura never went on such a venture, car in poor working order, destination unknown, she told no one that we know of, I suspect that when Fred got the news he thought the worse, also the recent car accident in Hadley...

Also, given that the police came out with the statement that she likely 'came to the White Mountains to commit suicide, well that in itself is enough to send an Irishman into a tail-spin...Personally i think Fred acted rather well under the circumstances. Sharon did not find the police especially helpful, and she has first hand knowledge of the goings on at the police station.

Granted the police have not turn out to be the idiots we thought, but I thought that because of their silence and their refusal to release the accident report saying that it was evidentiary and may imped the investigation. If that were the case then we would have likely solved the mystery of what happened to Maura when the report was release, and we have not.....

Granted Fred might have won more favours with honey, however, given that the police seemed to be convinced that Maura ran away to commit suicide, I think he did what any father would do, he got mad, and if he felt that the police were holding to that theory, what was he to do, swallow it, or act on his own....

Act on his own, would be what i would do...

that being said, I don't think Fred knows tons of stuff he is hiding...

Question; Do we know that Maura was asked to leave West Point on an Honor Code violation....

Do we know what this violation was about...?

Are we sure it has nothing to do with the sexual assaults that many women soldiers experienced in the Military that Rumsfeld announced an enquiry to on Thursday, the night of the upsetting phone call

Might Maura have known something about Kathleen's boyfriend whom Kathleen had been fighting with? Was this boyfriend in the military?

Petrie

God bless you for caring and coming forth, I wish you all the best, you have made a remarkable recovery. You information has been most helpful, and I am happy you are doing well. take care

peripeteia wrote:

Calling Fred a jerk, well that is a stretch...

Why is this a stretch? It seems that a lot of people on this board, the LE, etc., seems to think that he may very well be a jerk.

peripeteia wrote:

the fact that the sbd never mentions that he asked maura her destination is very odd, perhaps he did and never mentioned...

I'm not sure I am following you. Are you saying the he did, in fact, ask Maura her destination? Or that he didn't? Any speculation to what her answer was?

peripeteia wrote:

If that were the case then we would have likely solved the mystery of what happened to Maura when the report was release, and we have not.....

I think Fred was entitled to the police reports just as much as we are, meaning, not at all. Sorry. Besides, I have a suspicion that LE felt that Fred was witholding information.

peripeteia wrote:

that being said, I don't think Fred knows tons of stuff he is hiding...

Why not? Is this speculation, your feelings, or do you know this as fact? Even if he was hiding ANYTHING from LE, no matter how small, it may have compromised the investigation.

peripeteia wrote:

Question; Do we know that Maura was asked to leave West Point on an Honor Code violation....
Do we know what this violation was about...?
Are we sure it has nothing to do with the sexual assaults that many women soldiers experienced in the Military that Rumsfeld announced an enquiry to on Thursday, the night of the upsetting phone call

Now this is interesting, could help to explain a few things or to speculate further...

Whiston

Hi, I believe the distance to CW house/Bradley Hill Road was 540 yards, the distance to SBD house was 225 yards thereabouts> Perhaps I am mistaken?

Paris, good work, great to see your posts.

Someone asked if Maura was in Chemical engineering at U of Mass, 1.5 years, which always made me wonder why she might not have considered transfering back and thus graduate earlier....rather than come back for another whole year of nursing...just a thought. The monday Maura was to return would have been the last day to change courses for the term.

Has anyone ever found out what was on quoted on the line Maura phone to 1-go-stowe or whatever it was, what did that message say, did it give any
places to stay.....

Odd the police did not follow up on the Salamone's call Maura made asking about a rental in Bartlett? Odd the police never contacted them? Wonder where Maura got their number, it seems that they did not know Maura, and eight months later they did not remember, any wonder? They did not know Fred either? Where did Maura get this contact number?

Article regarding Maura's friends speaking about her. Katie made a curious comment on the video that was once attached to that article, something to the affect that Maura had changed, presumably something to do with becoming flirtatious when she drank...odd comment to make about a friend who is missing...i suspect she has more to say... sorry should have noted her last name....

Confusion about the last siting of Maura...
White Was in your article RE: police summary there is mention of the chap seeing Maura on Monday with the bag of beer and wine, was that Monday
or Sunday

There was a report of someone seeing Maura around 3:30 on Monday, is this another person, or the same chap?

thinking out loud, regarding the scenario of Maura ditching her car in the hills of new hampshire., somehow I doubt that, because once the car was found an investigation into the owners, the police likely would have found out Maura was out of school for a week, and secondly a car found around that time, perhaps the Amherst police might think that the car was tied to Vasi's accident, although we know it was not, Maura being intelligent would think of these things, too risky to ditch car for insurance purposes, also, the insurance company would know about the car accident in Hadley. I personally do not think Maura was trying to ditch her car.....

anyone who thinks that serial killers do not act on impluse, please do a google search of McGrey, Montreal 1990, he killed people when the urge struck him

I have heard of serial killers, placing devices to deflate tires at gas stations and when their tire goes flat a mile or two down the road, he captured his victims, completely random...logic cannot be applied to something that is illogical, and that is where I fail at least in my imagination, trying to impose logic where none exists...

We seem to forget the number of murders that have occured in the area, actually one just down Old Saint Peter's Road, Pauline found face down in the brook. Silkyboxer had maps of missing and murdered people in the area, and it is a scary picture these maps paint... Silky we miss you..

anyone wish to join me in a drink of Jameson's, where is the tent and Bob, AKA bartender

peripeteia wrote:

regarding the scenario of Maura ditching her car in the hills of new hampshire., somehow I doubt that, because once the car was found an investigation into the owners, the police likely would have found out Maura was out of school for a week, and secondly a car found around that time, perhaps the Amherst police might think that the car was tied to Vasi's accident, although we know it was not, Maura being intelligent would think of these things, too risky to ditch car for insurance purposes, also, the insurance company would know about the car accident in Hadley. I personally do not think Maura was trying to ditch her car.....

ITA peripeteia. I would also say it is likely that she wasn't attempting to ditch her car.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Nope,
Dr. Maurice Godwin, the team of Volunteer Private Investigators for the Molly Bish Foundation, John Philpin, and Ginsburg whom are all experts..
Oh and ya, a former FBI profiler who requested to have his name witheld.
Thanks for asking.

To put it nicely, a bunch of semi-existent, double-dealing, double crossing, lying, duplicitous sacks of traitorous and treacherous shit whose only job is to protect the guilty.

Mason wrote:

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Astrology is complicated.

Astrology is deceptive garbage.

But someone close to this appears to really, really believe in it. If I say four sixes, Tony will hear me, whether or not he's tone deaf and left the shellback in the case after the February, 2004 party. Fretful.

Mason wrote:

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The Vasi theory is weak because she has a strong alibi and it doesn’t work unless someone else drove her car and hit Vasi. her lover would have followed her up north

Strong alibi? Think it through.

Mason wrote:

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If her lover killed her, it would not have been the first time that a married man murdered his pregnant mistress and it certainly would not have been the last time.
Alternatively, maybe her lover wasn’t married and they eloped to start a new life together. I see two problems with this scenario. First, why not elope and leave the Saturn in a dorm parking lot? It would have been a much simpler plan. Second, I suspect the cops checked with Sprint to see if any towers registered her pinging phone and the public would have been notified if the answer was yes. Nevertheless, because I want to believe that she is alive and happy somewhere, I have a strong emotional preference for this alternative.
I long ago ruled out suicide as a possibility.
M

Did he kill her with the truss rod in the conservatory?

Hi Peri, I wanted to comment about the timeshare in Bartlett. When you own a timeshare you also belong to a group possibly (Intervale International) which would rent your week if you were not going to use it. It is also possible that she may have called Attitash and they gave her Salamones number as a possible rental.

Beagle Astrology is older than Methusala!! You certainly are funny!

I have the link but can't get to the new forum. I put the addy in my browser but it goes someplace else. Any ideas?

It works fine for me (as in post #10686).

Haven't really had a chance to really get into the New MMM Forum. Been "under the weather" literally and figuratively. How nice it is
to read the names of those who were in the first and second Form.
Hi NH Jane!....Someone spoke of our ol' Bob..have often wondered if he still comes to read. Is Weeper's FIT back on track...? Yeh, Firecat...lol..the "Judging"....Phfftt! .not on context, but on the author posting.....ignorance personified. Advocate, TX for directing me to "Links" for that article. Yes...a Toast in the Tent...to Silky and the MMM Forum
rejuvenated....Det. C. I did see your name listed...Nice to see y'all....

Columbo - I tried to figure out what was going on - and I found if I didn't include

21.forumer

in between

findmauramurry and .com it would just take me to my ISP's page.

So I'd do what you did before, but before pressing enter include

21.forumer

before the
.com

Mastermind wrote:

Here is a question for Mason, any attorney, legal expert, or someone involved with LE, or knows the law: It has been mentioned on this board that if Maura had wanted to disappear, that the family didn't really have any rights in terms of knowing her location, if she were still alive, etc., because she was an adult. I'm assuming that this is due to a law having to do with the invasion of privacy (which in my mind is a good thing), but correct me if I am wrong. Is it possible, even just remotely, that Maura contacted LE after her disappearance and told them she went missing out of her own volition and had no want to be found, rescued, etc., and did not want her family to know her location, or if she were still alive? I'm sure this is a stretch, just wondering about the possibility of such a thing. Would LE be allowed to say, ok, then, we'll stop looking for you? Or are they obligated to continue looking for her if such an event were to occur, even if they knew for a fact that it was Maura they were in contact with? I know it's a stretch, but this scenario, or a scenario where a perp has been identified but LE lacks circumstantial evidence to make an arrest, would both help to support the reasons why such a tight lid has been held over this case by LE for the past 4 years.

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Law enforcement officers investigate crimes. Generally, they do not search for adults reported missing unless (1) they have probable cause to believe the missing person committed a felony,(2) there is a warrant outstanding for the missing person’s arrest, or (3) they have reason to believe that the missing person may be endangered. The third justification is part of law enforcement’s community caretaking responsibility.
The Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures and prohibits arrests without an arrest warrant signed by a judge based on probable cause. The United States Supreme Court has interpreted the Fourth Amendment to allow police to arrest (i.e., seize) a person without a warrant, if the arresting officer has probable cause to believe that the person committed a felony, which is any crime for which the maximum penalty is more than one year incarceration. Police officers can arrest people for misdemeanors, if the offense is committed in their presence. Arrests without a warrant or probable cause are unlawful violations of a person's civil rights under the Fourth Amendment and Congress has provided a judicial remedy for people subjected to unlawful arrest by state authorities in 28 USC Section 1942.