Where is MAURA MURRAY

Sugar wrote:

Chaput and Bish very possibly killed by same person. If so, he's been located. Not sure who killed Murray (or even if she was killed), but if killed, then likely person(s) who sanctioned it either in Amherst and/or in Sarasota.
Am seeing someone tonight who can help (probably only a little), but will not ask him anything.

Sugar,
Since I live in Sarasota, could you be a bit more specific as to what you're referring to? Obviously, you have someone in mind and I presume that you're aware that this someone travels or resides in Sarasota? Are they a full time resident or a snow bird?

Appreciate your elaboration. Thanks.

Sugar wrote:

Weeper. Will you meet with me? Yes or no. If so, when?

Sugar/Trout/Ms Flo....Sure I'll meet with you at the Dunkin Donuts (along with Det. Columbo)in Woodsville on Feb 9, 2009 at noon. Will you all be coming in one vehicle or in seperate vehicles?
Weeper

Sugar wrote:

<quoted text>In plain English, one of the principals is from West Rutland. But it goes a little further than that.
Columbo: Say straight up whether or not you've ever been paid, hired, etc. by any Casella owned company, owner, or relative, or by anyone acting on their behalf. If you cannot give this thread an unequivocal "no" then you should drop all connection to the Murray case.
Same goes for Frank Kelly. I would like you both to demonstrate your impartiality in this case. No parsing phrases, no conditional answers.

Sugar I find your phrases very confusing, speaking of parsing phrases, well odd your should ask for clarification when your posts are as nebulous as they come, but perhaps someone here knows what you are talking about but it is not me.
Are you also Trout and Flo? Odd you all arrive at once.

Well hopefully you have something to offer in the way of information, and I see Weeper has agreed to meet with you. Can't discuss with you what you have written because it seems encryted. Thanks for droping by. Happy Boxing Day.

PI's - looks like you both think there was a first accident. Did you find any broken glass along the road at the possible "real" accident site?

Thanks for posting Weeper.

To all if I may,

I would like to take this opportunity to clarify some basics about the Maura Murray Task Force, the group of private investigators who volunteered their time and expertise in this investigation. Back in November of 2005 several private investigators, all members of the Licensed Private Detective Association of Massachusetts (LPDAM) and the New Hampshire League of Investigators (NHLI), were at an annual meeting of the LPDAM and learned that association had formed a volunteer group of investigators to look into the disappearance of Jennifer Fay of Brockton, Massachusetts. The group of investigators from NHLI (myself included) decided we should follow the example of the Massachusetts association and get our association involved in a similar endeavor.

Four members of NHLI formed the Maura Murray Task Force on December 7, 2005 (Pearl Harbor Day) and on December 13, 2005 we drove to Weymouth Massachusetts and we met with Fred Murray and his family for the first time and explained what we wanted to do (of nine “missing persons cases, this was the one we chose) and began the tedious task of gathering background information and what facts were available at that time.

We proposed to our association (NHLI) the formalization of the Task Force and garnered eight additional investigators (from as far away as Maine, Vermont and Massachusetts) of varying degrees of expertise.

Not one member of the Task Force ever received a dime for the work on this investigation nor would we ever attempt to collect any “reward” for the results of our involvement when the investigation concluded. In early 2006 we had at our disposal contacts in STALK (System to Apprehend Lethal Killers) who provided “criminal profiles” in this matter, hence the “criminal profilers” mentioned in this Forum.

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Working with the family, friends, Connecticut Search and Rescue (who have volunteered their time and cadaver-dogs in several searches thus far), and Law Enforcement on the State (NH) level and local contacts we moved our investigation along and (to date) came to the same conclusions as had law enforcement, this is not a missing person case, it’s a recovery at this stage, make no mistake about this.

There is a poster on this site who changes his handle (moniker) more times than anyone else posting and talks in riddles (having nothing to do with Maura Murray), maligns the volunteer PIs, the Connecticut SAR and offers no supporting facts to his foolishness. I look forward to meeting this person, though I feel confident he’ll not travel to distance to Woodsville, New Hampshire to meet with me and Detective Columbo on Feb. 9, 2009.

Dawn,

Yes, we do believe there was an “accident” prior to the Weathered Barn though we don’t believe it was an accident. It wasn’t until the summer of 2006 that I was able to access the Saturn and photograph (the photos on the old MMM site were taken by me with Fred Murray at my side) the damage. When searches were conducted during the summer of 2006, there was little hope of finding any viable evidence connected to Maura’s Saturn. The damaged driver’s side headlight remained intact and the best we could hope for was one of two “plastic-clips” missing from the undercarriage/bumper. Metal detectors turned up several coins, bottle caps and a few lug-nuts, nothing from the Saturn though we didn’t walk the entire route down Route 112 from Route 25 heading toward the Weathered Barn. We did check around the damaged “guardrails” but realized the damage to the Saturn was not consistent with the height and width of the guardrails. Hope this answers some of your questions.

Respectfully,

Weeper

Weeper wrote:

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Sugar/Trout/Ms Flo....Sure I'll meet with you at the Dunkin Donuts (along with Det. Columbo)in Woodsville on Feb 9, 2009 at noon. Will you all be coming in one vehicle or in seperate vehicles?
Weeper

Pwahahahaha,....Weeper, I love you, man.

Weeper-
thank you so much for answering my question. Is the height and width consistent with a school bus? Have you been able to interview the SBD? I saw in the conway articles she mentions that a PI goes to Florida and he refuses to meet with them.? I can see how it could get frustrating for him - however - it just does not add up.

Dawn wrote:

Weeper-
thank you so much for answering my question. Is the height and width consistent with a school bus? Have you been able to interview the SBD? I saw in the conway articles she mentions that a PI goes to Florida and he refuses to meet with them.? I can see how it could get frustrating for him - however - it just does not add up.

Employer has office directly across from dorms.

Complete access to medfiles.

Both Bish and Murray cases are actively being investigated, by at least two Bish investigators, as very related cases. Both investigators have received money from extremely close associate of employer. Both employer and associate have employed Mustang Man and his ostensible backer.

One or both "donations" to Bish Reward Fund originated with employer or close associate of employer.

How likely is it that one person or group

1. camo-ed the Bish donation(s),

2. has very real opportunity for contact with a person in a unique position to have at least "met" both Chaput and Bish,

3. employs the driver,

4. works across from dorms,

5. knows and has employed the mortgagee of a house near Amherst office across from dorms,

6. has a large financial interest in a certain part of the medical industry,

7. went to college with someone testifying against Lavigne despite the fact that a convicted rapist colleague of Lavigne's may have an unexplained connection the the SAR group endorsed by Bish,

8. recently employed the two Bish investigators, who are also investigating the Murray disappearance?

Driver's employer has office directly across from dorms. Just to be clear.

And then there's NH Reg. 678 XXX. We have seen one another many times lately. We dined and "spent the night together" recently beneath the glow of the golden nozzle.

Ever heard of sophienet?

Weeper
What could we do to assist you in anyway? You sound very confident that this is a recovery mission at this point. Very sad indeed. However, what can we do to help ?

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Dawn wrote:

Weeper
What could we do to assist you in anyway? You sound very confident that this is a recovery mission at this point. Very sad indeed. However, what can we do to help ?

Dawn,

With all due respect for your concern as with all those who post here on this site, who's hearts and prayers are with the family of Maura Murray for resolution in her disappearence, there is very little to be done from afar. I've been asked this very question from posters who live within driving distance of the Woodsville/Haverhill area and my answer to them is the same. Those who we meet and talk with may be of assistance in our next SAR (Search and Rescue/Search and Recovery Teams) dog-search teams (late Spring early summer)and to not give up hope that this case will be resolved. I know that there are many here on this Topix site who will not accept this and who will continue to work this as a mystery as yet unsolved, it is a mystery as to who is responsible (although there are "persons of interest", as indicated by NHSP statement of 75%)and until there is enough "physical evidence" to link those persons "beyond a reasonable doubt" the case is an ongoing investigation by the NHSP Major Crimes Unit and our group as well. Keep in mind that anything our Team uncovers is immediatley turned over to NHSP, without fail.

Respectfully
Weeper

I would also like some feedback from Weeper or Det Columbo - What is your take on the rag in the tailpipe? That is hard figure that one out. It just seems so odd