truth
Nashua, NH
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> Are we not connected on the internet? How, then, are we connected here? Anyway, nearly 5 years is evidence, not arrogance, of prying and nagging and being unable to solve Maura's disappearance. Perhaps the job is best handled by the proper authorities. Perhaps. To be fair the proper authorities have also had 5 years.
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Wowzer
Franconia, NH
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Mason wrote: <quoted text> Thank-you for your remarks. I agree I shouldn't have used his name, although I was thinking at the time that it probably didn't matter since he moved to Florida and the phone number was part of a quote that I copied from the dispatch log that's posted on-line at the MMM site and, of course, it's no longer valid. Nevertheless, I think it's a better idea to use initials and I will do so. You didn't criticize the substance of what I said, so I'm going to assume that you have no criticism there. I hope you realize that I'm doing everything that I can to solve this case and I've been very supportive of local law enforcement, particularly Sgt Smith whom many others have criticized. I've also been very supportive of some of the local folks like Anne, so I'm not into bashing the locals as a group. I don't trust the SBD because of the conflicting statements he gave, not because he lived near the accident. I've stated my reasons and I believe they are valid. I suspect he's near or at the top of LE's list of suspects too. Most of all I want this case solved ASAP and if I can assist LE to do that I will. I really don't care who solves the case or whether I get any credit for my contribution. I keep reading and rereading and thinking doing the best I can to present as many different theories as possible, so long as they are consistent with the few facts we have. When someone points out a mistake, I apologize, thank them, and make the necessary correction. I have no personal interest or ego involved in defending any theory I've presented because each theory must stand or fall based on its merits, not on the name of the person who presented it, which is irrelevant. Go ahead and clobber me, if you think I'm wrong. A smart ass like me needs that reality check every once in awhile. Cheers. Thank you Mason for understanding what I was trying to say. I think everyone wants this case solved ASAP. I think presenting different scenerios is a good thing as long as they don't get turned into fact and innocent people aren't dragged thru the mud over and over again. I also think that the upsetting phone call and why Maura left should be looked at just as hard as the area where her car went off the road IMHO.
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Wowzer
Franconia, NH
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> Wowzer, you are the voice of reason. At times I think reason is very much unwanted. After last nights replies I headed to the Feed and Seed Store this morning and got a can of attack duck repellant spray which I will now carry on my person whenever I am on the computer.
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> There is arrogance in making the assumption that Maura's disappearance will be solved here, on the internet. Well, I guess I must have misunderstood because I thought the purpose of this site is to find Maura Murray and we can't do that unless we solve the case. I always question authority and I never assume that police perform competent investigations. I evaluate each police officer based on the quality of the work he or she does. Many do an exemplary job and many don't. Most are average. Some are dishonest and regularly lie under oath. Everyone makes mistakes. We're just a month away from completing five years since Maura disappeared and the NHSP hasn't resolved this case. I see no reason for any of us to assume we can't solve it or help them solve it. Maybe we will and maybe we won't, but to just sit back and do nothing makes no sense to me. Arrogant or not, I'll just keep plugging along until the case is resolved. I sure wish I could look through the NHSP file and see what facts they've developed because we've got precious few to work with. I don't expect them to share, of course. But who knows, maybe we'll come up with something they haven't considered that turns out to be a major break in the case. I just can't think of a good reason not to try and, as I said, I thought that's why we're here. It's certainly why I'm here. One of the beautiful things about the internet is that it functions like a global mind, or think tank and the whole exceeds the sum of its parts. We can throw a lot more mental power into solving a case than any police department because we have lots more people involved. Together we can think of many more possibilities and potential avenues of inquiry than a few detectives juggling several dozen or more investigations. I don't know if they even bother to monitor us, but given the limited number of facts we have, I think we've done pretty well. We are a potential resource for them to consult even if some of our theories are pretty far out. They might even enjoy a chuckle or two. Who knows? He or she who dares not to dream and believe will live a boring life. Anyway, that's one of my personal beliefs and it has served me well.
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gotch yer screws loose
Boulder, CO
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truth wrote: <quoted text> Perhaps. To be fair the proper authorities have also had 5 years. I think the group of people that want to solve this case, and the group of people with the means to solve this case are, in fact, two different groups of people.
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Wowzer
Franconia, NH
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Advocator did you know that there is spyware on the new site. Not sure what it is tracking but hopefully not people's identity. Since I don't know that much about spyware or how it works I have no idea if it is harmful or not so everyone should do a spyware check IMHO.
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“ Adopt Shelter Animals ”
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Comments: 425
Danvers, MA
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truth wrote: <quoted text> Perhaps. To be fair the proper authorities have also had 5 years. Ideally, some care will be taken to not defame the innocent.
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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Wowzer wrote: <quoted text> Thank you Mason for understanding what I was trying to say. I think everyone wants this case solved ASAP. I think presenting different scenerios is a good thing as long as they don't get turned into fact and innocent people aren't dragged thru the mud over and over again. I also think that the upsetting phone call and why Maura left should be looked at just as hard as the area where her car went off the road IMHO. I absolutely agree with you about that phone call because it sure looks like the precipitating event that caused Maura to decide to drive north, assuming she, and not someone else, drove the Saturn. Philip keeps pounding away at that important point and sometimes I think she drove the Saturn and sometimes I don't. This is without doubt the most mystifying and perplexing case that I've ever seen. Not even the fertile mind of director David Lynch could think up a mystery like this. Reality is far stranger than fiction in this case.
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> Ideally, some care will be taken to not defame the innocent. Yes, I agree, and I know that all of us, me especially, need to keep that thought firmly in mind. Some of us are like attack dogs who need to wear choke chain collars attached to leashes gripped by a firm hand willing to yank us when we try to cross a boundary to pee on a bright shiny fire hydrant. I didn't really say that about myself, did I? Alden. I was thinking about Alden. Grrrrrrr!
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“ Adopt Shelter Animals ”
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Comments: 425
Danvers, MA
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Mason wrote: <quoted text> Well, I guess I must have misunderstood because I thought the purpose of this site is to find Maura Murray and we can't do that unless we solve the case. I always question authority and I never assume that police perform competent investigations. I evaluate each police officer based on the quality of the work he or she does. Many do an exemplary job and many don't. Most are average. Some are dishonest and regularly lie under oath. Everyone makes mistakes. We're just a month away from completing five years since Maura disappeared and the NHSP hasn't resolved this case. I see no reason for any of us to assume we can't solve it or help them solve it. Maybe we will and maybe we won't, but to just sit back and do nothing makes no sense to me. Arrogant or not, I'll just keep plugging along until the case is resolved. I sure wish I could look through the NHSP file and see what facts they've developed because we've got precious few to work with. I don't expect them to share, of course. But who knows, maybe we'll come up with something they haven't considered that turns out to be a major break in the case. I just can't think of a good reason not to try and, as I said, I thought that's why we're here. It's certainly why I'm here. One of the beautiful things about the internet is that it functions like a global mind, or think tank and the whole exceeds the sum of its parts. We can throw a lot more mental power into solving a case than any police department because we have lots more people involved. Together we can think of many more possibilities and potential avenues of inquiry than a few detectives juggling several dozen or more investigations. I don't know if they even bother to monitor us, but given the limited number of facts we have, I think we've done pretty well. We are a potential resource for them to consult even if some of our theories are pretty far out. They might even enjoy a chuckle or two. Who knows? He or she who dares not to dream and believe will live a boring life. Anyway, that's one of my personal beliefs and it has served me well. I like your thinking and your apparent professionalism. Clearly, you do not endeavor to violate the boundaries of others for your personal amusement. Your attachment to finding a solution seems balanced and not ego-generated. However, the outcome of such a debate would seem better served in an environment of professional-to-professional rather than an informal free-for-all of the curious. Just keeping in mind that the individuals being discussed are real people with actual lives and reputations to consider. Imagine yourself or your family being the topic of this debate...the 'tabloid' content is the new media. Call me old-fashioned, I guess. Carry on...you are fearless.
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Detective Columbo
Littleton, NH
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Wowzer.... I will not answer your question about the guns and names. The names and addresses of these people are something that I know and will not share as I said before. I'm sure they don't want to be identified and that will not happen. If it was your house I went to and this happened would you want me putting your name out there? I don't think so. Let's just step off your high horse for a minute and come back to reality. This kind of stuff happens here, there and everywhere and that is not to be denied. Clearly you like to look at life through rose colored glasses and see everything as perfect in your little world. That is fine, but it isn't reality. Have a nice day......Columbo
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Detective Columbo
Littleton, NH
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Sorry..
I do not have a copy of the Hanover dispatch log.
Columbo
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gotch yer screws loose
Boulder, CO
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> Ideally, some care will be taken to not defame the innocent. In whose eyes will the innocent be defamed? The 12, or 24, or 48 people that participate on this board. Who cares?
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Detective Columbo
Littleton, NH
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Wowzer... Please read this... http://www.vnews.com/01072009/5298108.htm And then tell me what a nice bubch of people we have around here. I know the old saying...."A few bad Apples" well this is a bushel all in the same basket. Add in Tom Conrad....Murdered ....Albert Powell....Murdered Etc. Columbo
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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gotch yer screws loose wrote: <quoted text> In whose eyes will the innocent be defamed? The 12, or 24, or 48 people that participate on this board. Who cares? Uhm, the people who are defamed?
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“ Adopt Shelter Animals ”
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Comments: 425
Danvers, MA
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Detective Columbo wrote: Wowzer.... I will not answer your question about the guns and names. The names and addresses of these people are something that I know and will not share as I said before. I'm sure they don't want to be identified and that will not happen. If it was your house I went to and this happened would you want me putting your name out there? I don't think so. Let's just step off your high horse for a minute and come back to reality. This kind of stuff happens here, there and everywhere and that is not to be denied. Clearly you like to look at life through rose colored glasses and see everything as perfect in your little world. That is fine, but it isn't reality. Have a nice day......Columbo So, then...unless verified, the accusation is unfounded. Wowzer's request for confirmation doesn't put her on a high horse, IMHO...rather, it reflects on the 'professional' who attached his name to a statement presented as fact, but he is unwilling to back it up. Then, we have the swaggering, cop-hating Littleton poster who views her world from street-side...which must be a sub-culture that is unique to her neighborhood, and doesn't reflect the reality of Wowzer's community. None of this matters, of course, except that one must consider comments in their proper context when an agenda is evident.
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truth
Nashua, NH
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Mason wrote: <quoted text> ... I always question authority and I never assume that police perform competent investigations. I evaluate each police officer based on the quality of the work he or she does. Many do an exemplary job and many don't. Most are average. Some are dishonest and regularly lie under oath. Everyone makes mistakes. ... Now to me, this is the voice of reason.
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gotch yer screws loose
Boulder, CO
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Mason wrote: <quoted text> Uhm, the people who are defamed? but seriuosly, who is going to be defamed and in what way will they be defamed? the only people that will know of this defamation are those who read this board. isn't it a bit pretentious of us to think that our opinions really matter to these people.
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“ Adopt Shelter Animals ”
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Comments: 425
Danvers, MA
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Detective Columbo wrote: Wowzer... Please read this... http://www.vnews.com/01072009/5298108.htm And then tell me what a nice bubch of people we have around here. I know the old saying...."A few bad Apples" well this is a bushel all in the same basket. Add in Tom Conrad....Murdered ....Albert Powell....Murdered Etc. Columbo Horrible. Vicious and tragic. How about Kenney/McKay/Floyd? Is that how problems are typically solved in Franconia? I believe I've met you. Found you to be a reasonable and decent person. You are in a position to know reality from fiction in terms of statistical crime in these locations over the years. Is gun-toting/murder/mayhem the culture in northern NH? Or the exception? Why would some want to/need to portray this destination as violent? This proves...what? It surely is a deterrent to visitors...in a bad economy.
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Wowzer
Franconia, NH
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Detective Columbo wrote: Wowzer.... I will not answer your question about the guns and names. The names and addresses of these people are something that I know and will not share as I said before. I'm sure they don't want to be identified and that will not happen. If it was your house I went to and this happened would you want me putting your name out there? I don't think so. Let's just step off your high horse for a minute and come back to reality. This kind of stuff happens here, there and everywhere and that is not to be denied. Clearly you like to look at life through rose colored glasses and see everything as perfect in your little world. That is fine, but it isn't reality. Have a nice day......Columbo I've stated more than once that bad things and crime happen everywhere. No town that I know of is exempt from crime. Your reason for not answering is weak since names and addresses have been made public from day one of the MM forums. You won't even state which road you were on when the guns were pointed at you so forgive me if I do not believe it ever happened. There's a reason for all that you say Columbo. It just seems to me that you are doing everything in your power to keep the attention focused on Haverhill.That's understandable but when someone doesn't want that focus to change for any reason then there's something not right with the big picture. Sooner or later someone here will figure out why. Let's get back to trying to find out what happened to Maura instead of bickering.
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