Where is MAURA MURRAY

Det Columbo -

If the perp's arrest and prosecution are out of reach, would you be happy if he administered justice on himself?

Chadwick wrote:

WELL!
What are the answers, so much yada yada but no real answers. Everyone on the east coast is involved now, who's next?

Let's say there's a drive-by shooting in the inner city. Are you saying that if only a dozen people know who did it and why it was done, that "everyone on the east coast is involved?"

Why is an inner city, gang related shooting, with no one talking, an okay conspiracy to comtemplate, but for some unknown reason if the equivalent wrong was done by smart, rich, well educated people in nice clean neighborhoods who work in sterling scientific research buildings, then it's what - a crackpot conspiracy theory? Suddenly involving everyone on the east coast?

Trash talking an honest search for real answers in the disappearances of 3 to 6 young women shows where your real loyalties lie.

This is just one more effort by those who fear the truth to discredit the truth.

Remember what's her name? Erin Brockovich? I suppose you trash talked her, too.

Do you trash talk those who stick up for the poorest people in Africa who are duped by large pharmaceutical companies into participating in dangerous and often deadly drug trials that would never be allowed in this country?

I don't care who is responsible, but you have named people and businesses from Vt to Florida. If there is a connection then just spit it out, because apparently you have a mouthful.

Columbo

Det Columbo -

Have you ever been employed by a public relations firm sponsored by Mass Mutual Insurance Co? The same public relations firm that was hired by Bretton Woods Resort and Patron Systems?

Mass Mutual is the insurance company that has to pay out successful claims made against the Diocese of Springfield, Massachusetts. Mass Mutual, it seems, sort of doesn't like to pay out those claims. Mass Mutual argues that the Diocese should pay those claims out of its own pocket. But, hey, it's a small price to pay if it shuts up the Catholic Church when it comes to certain kinds of medical and scientific research. Right?

I mean, what would the effect of a lawsuit against former priest Richard Lavigne be if it were determined that the Diocese of Springfield were responsible for Lavigne's behavior in, say, 1972, even if Lavigne killed Danny Croteau? We wouldn't be talking something like, um, leverage here, would we?

You recall Patron Systems, don't you? The same Patron Systems that hired Grassano Accounting to audit them for SEC filings. Yes, that Patron Systems.

Patron Systems offered the consulting services of Major Gen. Bruce M. Lawlor (ret.). Lawlor, as you surely know, is from the Rockingham and Springfield area of Vermont. I think he was assigned to duty in the Rutland area at one time. He was chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security under Secretary Tom Ridge.

You don't hang out with this group, do you?

Detective Columbo wrote:

I don't care who is responsible, but you have named people and businesses from Vt to Florida. If there is a connection then just spit it out, because apparently you have a mouthful.
Columbo

Just spit it out where? Here on Topix? Tell all on Topix? Or would you prefer the discrete setting of a Dunkin' Donuts in Woodsville?

By the way, will Chuck vouch for you? You haven't answered that question yet.

Detective Columbo wrote:

I don't care who is responsible, but you have named people and businesses from Vt to Florida. If there is a connection then just spit it out, because apparently you have a mouthful.
Columbo

I thought you were the detective around here. Don't you care who is responsible for Maura Murray's disappearance?

You see, rich people have things like fast (sometimmes faux) cars and even private jets. Imagine that. They actually travel, without even thinking about it, between their homes in Vermont and Florida.

But the world of inner city gang members is a bit smaller than that. So I guess it's okay to utilize a conspiracy theory about why a certain victim was shot in a drive-by shooting, but not okay to apply the same kind of thinking to people who have fat incomes and who own one or two or three homes in different states. Is that about right, detective?

If you're really a detective, why don't you find out some of the answers for yourself? Why are you always asking someone like me to spell it out for you?

What is Bretton Woods? and who is Chuck?

Columbo

Detective Columbo wrote:

I don't care who is responsible, but you have named people and businesses from Vt to Florida. If there is a connection then just spit it out, because apparently you have a mouthful.
Columbo

Actually, I think YOU could spit it out. Just pretend it's a slurpie that's been leaking out of your mouth all this time.

Beagle wrote:

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Sorry, lost my focus for a minute. I wrote that Maura ASSOCIATED with... Let me clarify further. I should have written "knowingly associated with." As in hung out with them and knew what they were doing.
That's not the same as saying she sat next to someone in class who sold steroids. Or she passed someone in the hall who sold HGH.
Smoking guns are great. They're proof, usually physical proof. They solve and therefore end the case. They're very welcome.
But there are other kinds of indications that a crime occurred. If this thread were limited to the providing of only smoking guns, there would be no posts.
In fact, most political corruption cases have no smoking gun. They rely on circumstantial evidence, on a PATTERN of behavior and events.
For example, if a paving contractor suddenly starts giving the governor a bunch of expensive gifts and then the governor suddenly starts recommending that the contractor get a bunch of state contracts, and this pattern continues over time, then that's a clear indication of bribery. It's an INDICATION (like prima facie evidence). If it's detailed and developed enough, then it might become circumstantial evidence, which is enough for a conviction.
A smoking gun is proof of a crime. I don't think it is necessary for PROOF of a crime against Maura to appear in a post on this thread. Valid or insightful observations or indications suffice. It is then LE's job to take it to the next level.
Insisting on seeing only a smoking gun - and nothing else - does not indicate a real desire to discover what happened to Maura. Poking around, ruminating, and finding other KINDS of connections can be very helpful, too.

Look, Alden, it's very clear you have some sort of agenda about....something. Whatever that may be, I remain unconvinced it has anything to do with, or will lead anyone to finding out what happened to, Maura Murray.

oo00oo wrote:

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My condolences to you. However it is not about me or you. My point was this is not fact. Sharon has not stated it as fact in my readings of 4 years, Billy has not & Fred knew nothing about it. Not to mention how they were able to afford it. Maura could not afford to buy a car on her own. It is not really relevant, but when you try to pass it off as fact you weaken your credibility as a poster. I have always trusted your word. I'm not so sure now.
On a side note, I do appreciate Peabody's effort in keeping Maura's name in the forefront, however I don't agree with the spin.
We need to stick with the truth, good, bad & ugly. Answers are in Amherst.

I have an email stating such. I will not search for it tonight; it's late and I just got home. With the sender's permission, I will post the contents for you when I dredge it up.

Detective Columbo wrote:

What is Bretton Woods? and who is Chuck?
Columbo

Oh, sorry, Bretton Woods was some kind of international conference held around the end of World War II. Had something to do with the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

Last I knew Chuck W worked in Concord. Just wondered if he would vouch for your integrity. But since you don't know him, I guess he can't.

Beagle wrote:

Det Columbo -
If the perp's arrest and prosecution are out of reach, would you be happy if he administered justice on himself?

Who disbanded the entire justice department and left you Othello? My guess on that would be NO, he wouldn't be. There's a justice system in place, and how would someone "administering justice on himself" lead people to finding Maura?

Tighten that tin foil a little, Beagle, I think it's slipping.

Detective Columbo wrote:

I don't care who is responsible, but you have named people and businesses from Vt to Florida. If there is a connection then just spit it out, because apparently you have a mouthful.
Columbo

Sigh. Yeah, good luck with that Columbo. ;-) He never does.

Okay, you're unconvinced. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Beagle, a good crap-ton of posters on this board can vouch for Columbo's integrity, for whatever that might be worth to you.

This is exactly why Helena shut down her Forum.
We did have some frustrated Posters...but, when the angry wacko(s)arrived...all rolled up into one..that was it for her. There was a time when
there was a conraderie of the concerned. Guess
we will just have to continue to scroll by the nonsense. Unless....an answer..without the
crapola....Where is the empathy/sympathy..?

Agenda? Is that a bad word? Or are you hiding "hidden" before agenda. Wouldn't that constitute your own hidden agenda?

Just because someone's reasons for finding out what happened to Maura Murray differ from another person's reasons is, well, no reason to panic or get in a huff about it.

One person's agenda - hidden or patent - does not necessarily conflict with someone else's here. Agendas may differ from one another, but that doesn't mean they don't compliment one another.

I could just as easily say that there's a hidden agenda evident on this thread to make believe that Maura Murray's disappearance is absolutely NOT related to Molly Bish's disappearance or any other disappearance or attack.

Just because I see Maura's disappearance as one disappearance among several related disappearances does not make me the enemy. If Maura was abducted and murdered, which most people seem to believe, then if you want to stop with the person who actually, physically kidnapped and killed her, that's fine. But some people may want to get to the root cause of violence related activity that has manifested itself in the disappearances (probably murders, or at least untimely deaths) of several young women.

Just as an example, let's say Maura was a victim of roid rage by someone who was also a dealer in steroids. If you want to find only the steroid dealer who killed only Maura, then that's fine. I don't want to stop there.

Because if you don't try to find the source of this cluster of disappearances (probable murders), then there's a good chance it will happen again. And that's not fair to the general public and it's really not fair to the victims who can no longer speak for themselves.

I think there is a loosely affiliated group of people whose leadership, so to speak, did not order or directly cause Maura Murray or any of the others to become abducted or to disappear or whatever. But I think the culture of greed and deceit created at the top was so intense that one or more people at the bottom felt compelled to act recklessly or to achieve a goal by extreme methods, and that's why these women are no longer around.

Maybe I'm wrong - I always leave room for that - but right now, that's not what is indicated.

Oh...You mean Ole Chuck West?

FireCat wrote:

Beagle, a good crap-ton of posters on this board can vouch for Columbo's integrity, for whatever that might be worth to you.

Posters on this board? You mean like Jeff, Harry, Emily, Vern, Dimo, Hart, et al? Or do you mean all the posters that are loyal to Columbo and consistently sing his praises?

Thanks but no thanks. There is no way for most posters to tell who is who. But if a real person can vouch for him, then that's different.

Columbo decided, for whatever reason, to side step the vouching part with his response.

MR. O.....What?