Where is MAURA MURRAY

DCA wrote:

NO ONE ever met Maura, Fred, or any member of Maura' family. Helena never met Maura, she may have met Fred at a NH search. Once.

Thank you.

They have attached themselves to the vulnerable and simply taken control for their own reasons.

Thank you again, DCA, for saying this.

Observing the fifth anniversary is not going to bring Maura back but going to the Dunkin Donuts meeting could be helpful. I wish I could go. Also Swiftwater based theories did not find Maura so the next logical step might be to concentrate more on Amherst.

Hey, Big Phony TEAM creator -

Good luck with the Croteau case. A civil case like that should be a real cakewalk. Right?

benjamin franklyn wrote:

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When are some people going to realize that this "TEAM" that is being referred to in this post MAY in fact know something that the rest of you don't.

Sometimes when I perform a reconciliation - I wish I would have thought of outstanding items I had come to recognize as important - earlier. From a different viewpoint, upon a possible resolution, I say to myself - here is a number that works, but is it a fluke? Hmmm. What are its characteristics and resulting probability that its the right one?

Snowy White wrote:

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http://www.whec.com/article/stories/S426824.s...
adam falcon's death at st. lawrence university in canton, ny has been loosely tied to the smiley-faced murders.
however,i'm not so quick to jump on the bandwagon of serial murderers.
i am quite familiar with SLU, the students and campus life. hardly a destination for crime/murder, i'd be surprised if adam's death is related to anything but typical overdrinking...possibly fraternity related.
it would be interesting to profile the profilers....PI's and detectives...bet you'd find a habitual need to jump to "conspiracy" before validating what is obvious.
i still resist the tying together of murders and the missing in NH over a period of 30 years to bring forward a reason for Maura's disappearance.
this is merely my opinion.

Snowy: I brought this up to give validation to private detectives working on cases, such as the dectective working on Maura's case. I mentioned that if this is true about murdered men, then perhaps they have murdered women as well. I make no conspiratory theory here related to Maura, not in the least, nor the other murdered and missing women in New Hampshire/Vermont and New England area.

I wish to honour detectives, these detectives worked for nothing, as do the detectives looking for Maura, as OUR detectives are being bashed thought it appropriate to bring up.

Snowy here is my original post; have capitalized why I placed this here.

peripeteia wrote:
http://kstp.com/article/storie s/s421846.shtml?v=1
Two retired police officers have unveiled the connection of numerous murders in the States
originally attributed to drowning. Although off
topic, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHAT THEIR INVESTIGATION HAS REVEALED GIVES CREDIT TO THESE DEVOTED ME WHO UPHOLD THE LAW, THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERED THEIR SERVICES, SUCH AS THE VOLUNTARY DETECTIVES PI'S AND DETECTIVES INVESTIGATING MAURA.

The smiley face murders' takes on new meaning of evil, as it seems these murders may have been orchestrated by a group, and not necessarily located in one area, but across the United States, and I am sure Canada will be looking into their unsolves murders in a different light.
This begs the question if this groups' mayhem is limited to killing men, perhaps they are responsible for killing women and children?
http://www.whec.com/article/stories/S426824.s ...

Since posting this morning, found information while looking for missing women in the area:
......Nicolas Garza, Middlebury College, VT. is alleged to be one of these murdered, re: smilie face murders. Missing, Feb.05,2008 found May 25, 2008. There is also another missing male student from Dartmouth College.

sorry don't have url

Mason thanks for copying the comments of the FBI, related to the investigation of college men being murdered, but I am sure that they are obligated to say something to discount this investigation, because it would put them in a bad light, they would want to see all the evidence before making a comment, and would not want the public to panic, i.e. pulling their children out of university. However, the final verdict on this information remains up in the air but if smilie faces are left at the site it is compelling those murders are connected somehow, or there are allot of copy cats out there.

Anyway, I do not believe this has anything to do with Maura, but it sure as heck shows the evil that lurks out there takes on new meaning.

Beagle wrote:

Elsewherebriefly and Sophie Bean -
Today's your lucky day. Just come right out and say what's on your mind. Can you do that? What is it that bothers you so uniquely about me (but no other poster)?
Go ahead. Give me both barrels. Really let me have it. Deliver it with some detail. Really get into it. Don't hold back.
You're full of innuendo and insult, but real short on EXACTLY what's really ticking you off about me. Get it out of your system. Be an adult and just tell it like it is.
Today's your chance. Let's hear it loud and clear.

Alden,

I told you exactly what I thought of you months ago.

Please do not ask me any further questions or address any further posts to me.

peripeteia wrote:

Snowy here is my original post; have capitalized why I placed this here.
peripeteia wrote:
http://kstp.com/article/storie s/s421846.shtml?v=1
Two retired police officers have unveiled the connection of numerous murders in the States
originally attributed to drowning. Although off
topic, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHAT THEIR INVESTIGATION HAS REVEALED GIVES CREDIT TO THESE DEVOTED ME WHO UPHOLD THE LAW, THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERED THEIR SERVICES, SUCH AS THE VOLUNTARY DETECTIVES PI'S AND DETECTIVES INVESTIGATING MAURA.
The smiley face murders' takes on new meaning of evil, as it seems these murders may have been orchestrated by a group, and not necessarily located in one area, but across the United States, and I am sure Canada will be looking into their unsolves murders in a different light.
This begs the question if this groups' mayhem is limited to killing men, perhaps they are responsible for killing women and children?
http://www.whec.com/article/stories/S426824.s ...
Since posting this morning, found information while looking for missing women in the area:
......Nicolas Garza, Middlebury College, VT. is alleged to be one of these murdered, re: smilie face murders. Missing, Feb.05,2008 found May 25, 2008. There is also another missing male student from Dartmouth College.
sorry don't have url

hi, peri ~

i don't disagree about the devotion and extraordinary volunteer service provided by investigators, nationwide.

i'd previously read about the "smiley face" murders with interest, only because St. Lawrence University was mentioned.
i do not believe adam falcon's body was found with the "smiley face" symbol nearby.

since then, students have been arrested and a lawsuit filed against SLU, which further indicates the problem was local.
a popular college bar is located at the edge of campus, and he was intoxicated when he left the bar, prior to being found face down in water.

i cannot speak for other colleges/universities, although it seems your broadening and relating this specific theme to women and children is fear-based and encourages unwarranted panic.

topix posts go to the new forum and vice versa.

Advocate4 and peripeteia, i read the "Food for Thought" page last eve for the first time...with thanks the topix tipster for the prompt.

your personal stories are very sad and compelling. your losses were immense, but your resilience and courage are even bigger.

Advocate4 wrote:

"Questions like these unfortunately go with the territory in a missing person case, it is one of those tough things in life that you get through because you have to. In my opinion, I’ve never seen anything posted that I would have thought was insulting to Maura or her family, especially under the conditions of this entire situation. I’ve seen a number of speculations that no one would want to actually be TRUE, but that have to be considered in a case of this nature because we know such things have happened with other people and therefore could have happened in this case too."

much appreciation to Dawn and peri for speaking up for Maura and Fred...i, too, strongly share their opinions.

yes, Advocate4, "Questions like these unfortunately go with the territory in a missing person case"...BUT they are asked and answered by appropriate authorities and in an appropriate setting.

peri, i completely agree with your argument detailed at <Thurs., Jan. 22, 2009 6:31P - subject/sexual abuse> to counter the public accusations suggested and made against Fred and Billy.

Beagle, I wouldn't deny for a minute that a "TEAM" concept is operative here.

To view this from a positive perspective, however, there may not be an intentional withholding of information and knowledge that is widely believed to be the motivation for their solidarity.
Then, again, perhaps there is intentional withholding motivated by protection and/or privacy.

It is human nature to bond closely with those whose ideas most closely match one's own...and the social aspects and shared experiences of that bonding are quite naturally firm after five years.

If exploring Amherst and related theories by extension are rejected and/or stalled online, they have at least been fully expressed.

Sorry, Beagle, on the last line I meant..

If exploring Amherst and related theories by extension are rejected and/or stalled online, at least YOUR ideas have been fully expressed.

I have understood you to say that in rejecting your ideas outright, there has been little to suggest that others have delved as deeply as you to prove/disprove your research.

I wonder what will be a next step...and if there will be an update from authorities on the marking of the 5th anniversary?

Beagle wrote:

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More junk propaganda.
The TEAM was the one that endlessly, screeeechingly advertised this site toward the end of MMM forum. They simply made it provacative with all the wild "Oh My" posts. They put up a huge arrow on the MMM site in order that everyone would run over to Topix and see what's going on and post there. And sure enough, the TEAM has been here in fine form since.
Because this thread is basically a bastardized MMM site, then the only thing the deeply offended true family have to do is post, somewhat convincingly, that they would like the posting of non-Haverhill theories to end. Simple as that. In fact, they were invited to do so months ago. They didn't.
In this light, it is especially instructive that none - NONE - of the TEAM ever met Maura or knew her immediate family before Maura disappeared.

Actually most of the activity concerning Topix over on the old MMM forum was about how it was populated by bloody lunatics who couldn't keep the facts of the case straight.

Several of my first posts were attempts to correct misrepresentation or misunderstanding of the few known facts. I suspect others migrated here for that reason as well.

How about Red Coral and the Vitamin E Christians?

They rock!

Yes and sometimes people bond by all attacking the same person, it's a common bonding device. They will bond over their joint accusations of someone at the Haverhill accident scene or they will bond over all attacking the same poster.
Change of subject: 5 yrs. of investigating Haverhill have produced no Maura and no clue to where she is or what happened to her. Isn't logical to put more time and energy into Amherst?

DCA wrote:

Yes and sometimes people bond by all attacking the same person, it's a common bonding device. They will bond over their joint accusations of someone at the Haverhill accident scene or they will bond over all attacking the same poster.
Change of subject: 5 yrs. of investigating Haverhill have produced no Maura and no clue to where she is or what happened to her. Isn't logical to put more time and energy into Amherst?

Sure is. In fact, it might be worth figuring out why so many right wing Christians from Amherst are so intensely interested in what happened to Maura Murray.

I for one have not seen ANY Christian church try to get the info out regarding Maura.

As far a OH MY goes, wow, was I easily fooled.

"Oh My" was the irresistible poster. Full of wild accusations and "gifted" with a strange writing style, "Oh My" always maintained a weird cloak of enigma around her. She posted as if some kind of truth - as even Lady Gray pointed out - was contained, in code, as it were, within the words of her posts. That she was secretly supplying valuable information if only we could decode what she was saying. It was just a come-on.

The one post that stood out from all the others, of course, was the Shakespeare quote. I forget now which play it was from, but it was from one of the Histories, I think.

Why the Shakespeare quote? It was completely different from all the other posts by "Oh My." Must have been included for some reason. But I don't think it had anything to do with secret messages.

Amherst Christians, I believe, are in the hunt. Very much so. How come?

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