Where is MAURA MURRAY

sophie bean wrote:

In the past several years, I have seen accusations that she was having an illicit affair with the underage son of a local sociopath, that she was involved in some sort of drug purcahse or God knows what, that she staged her own disappearance to evade something that has never really been defined, that she was drunk and left the scene of the accident rather than face the music

your forgot the one where she has the affair with the professor, they have a falling out, etc. Is anyone on this forum a professor?

How nice, PF, of you to share your erudite opinions about the case in a way that will surely help us find out what happened to Maura.
"Beagle and the Clones" have a new release - lovely.
But back to reality...show the facts of this case to any police officer that you respect and ask them for their professional opinion about what happened. I'm sorry to put that so bluntly.
Now...to demonstrate the value of "respecting all thoeries equally etc"
1) look up the statisical frequency of "fugue state"
2) look up the statisical frequency of "fugue state" with no previous signs or symptoms
3) look up the statistical frequency of women murdered to "harvest" their eggs
4) look up the statistical frequency of women murdered for their eggs who also happen to be missing persons
5) look up the statistical frequency of MISSING PEOPLE (not women alone) who prove to be victims of crime
Where, oh where, is "Occam's Razor" now?

sophie bean wrote:

Sara, you have misread what I wrote. No one should "take my word" that she was in Haverhill. What I wrote was that her car was found there and a witness identified her at the vehicle. That is MORE evidence, and actual proof, than anythign that suggests that she stayed in Amherst. I did not at all say that she COULDN'T have stayed in Amherst.
Again, cognition.
Saying that there is not proof that she stayed in Amherst is not at all the same as saying "I say that she was in Haverhill, period."
What part of this is confusing? It shouldn't be.
I believe that a majority of people on this forum are here because they want to help Maura or think that they can. To say that "no one in this discussion is bashing Maura" is absolutely incorrect. Read the whole thing. On this page, she was accused by a self-righteous poster of having taken the car to NH for the purpose of ditching it after a friend of hers supposedly hit Vasi. That is bashing (at best, but more likely slander).
In the past several years, I have seen accusations that she was having an illicit affair with the underage son of a local sociopath, that she was involved in some sort of drug purcahse or God knows what, that she staged her own disappearance to evade something that has never really been defined, that she was drunk and left the scene of the accident rather than face the music - please don't tell me that she and her family haven't been bashed. It's not true.

Sophie,

The reason people come up with scenarios and speculate is because well after five years she is still missing. So.... if Haverville is the place, then why haven't they found her yet? This is why people are trying to come up with new theories.
Also, you must understand that speculation about her personal life is to be expected when the family has been so elusive about her life @ Amherst. I understand that is their right to do so and maybe they even have reasons for it, who am I to say. The point being, we the public knowing so little facts, sometimes it is hard not to speculate. I am not trying to start a conflict with you because I think fighting on a forum is really stupid. I know that for me personally when I speculate and theorize, it is because I am trying to help. Furthermore, I have never been mean spirited toward anyone on this forum.

The school bus was at the place where the Saturn was abandoned at the time the Saturn was abandoned on Rt. 112 in Haverhill, NH.

The office of the school bus company is across the street from SW.

In effect, this school bus company and a stem cell research company are owned by the same parent company.

Therefore, maybe some loose canon familiar with these companies did the unthinkable.

Opponents of embryonic stem cell research are very closely associated with BOTH donations that comprise the Molly Bish Reward Fund.

One of these companies was a major holder of a company that paid John Regan's attorney a retainer after Regan inexplicably pleaded guilty.

The list goes on and on.

Basically, companies and people with substantial interests in the field of, broadly speaking, regenerative medicine (ncluding things like neutraceuticals, HGH, stem cell research, etc.) are hovering all around the Bish, Murray, and Saratoga Springs cases.

Again, I do not "seem" angry. I am angry. I just spent an absurd amount of time checking out what I've suspected for a long time but haven't bothered to do til now.

You've noticed by now that I consistently ridicule and dismiss "Beagle's" comments and "theories." Would you like to know why?

Since May of 2008:
1. claysoup - may 2008
2. saturnus - may 2008
3. alden
4. rhh - june 2008
5. JerryCanDo - june 2008
6. ice queen
7. BeagleFart - june 2008
8. BeagleBart - june 2008
9. Birds80 - July 2008
10. Beagle - july 2008
11. Saturnus Negrus - July 2008
12. Ben Franklin - August 2008
13. Jerry Fletcher - August 2008
14. Benjamin Franklin - August 2008
15. Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer - August 2008
16. Yoda - sept 2008
17. Cave Dude - oct 2008
18. Carriage - oct 2008
19. Sybil - oct 2008
20. North - oct 2008
21. Maple - oct 2008
22. Fairy - oct 2008
23. Church - oct 2008
24. Mede - oct 2008
25. LK Tucker - oct 2008
26. Benjamin Franklyne - oct 2008
27. Harry - oct 2008
28. sybilized
29. please clarify - oct 2008
30. Gene - oct 2008
31. To Logan - oct 2008
32. Mersey - oct 2008
33. Cassio - oct 2008
34. Jack Reid - oct 2008
35. get real - oct 2008
36. Dickhead Redo - oct 2008
37. Mastermind - nov 2008
38. Mason - nov 2008
39. the ghost of maura - nov 2008
40. goat - dec 2008
41. Pointer - dec 2008
42. "benji" (better described as PoS) dec 18, 2008
43. OooOOoo - dec 2008
44. yankee - dec 2008, maybe earlier
45. sanderson111 - dec 2008
46. Miss Flo - dec 2008
47. Sugar - dec 2008
48. Trout - Dec 25, 2008
49. Terry
50. Barry
51. Turanna
52. doublehorse
53. Appraiser
54. Seeker
55. wally
56. jeff
57. truth - jan 2009
58. George Washington
59. Thomas Jefferson
60. Benja
61. Ross
62. Hart
63. Big Rad
64. Dimo
65. Propaganda Firetruck

I saw at least 50 pages of this forum which are nothing but the various clones having a conversation with "one another" - and a distressing number of other pages where well-intentioned people who actually care about Maura were engaged in "discussion" with this "entity." I'm sure that I missed a number of identities, because I was just SKIMMING!
Now, when any of us posts, our location changes slightly over time - something about the server, I'm sure. MOST of the entities / bots listed are posted from different locations. I don't know enough to know how easy that is to do, but I do know enough to know that I can't do it easily even if I wanted to.
That's INTENT.
It's also intent to confuse, obfuscate and deflect - willful and malicious.
In early January, several women were on this forum who bravely shared experiences of being assaulted in the upper CT Valley. Within hours of their postings, there was a flood of postings by the bots which resulted in those posts, which could have held important information about this case - NOT THEORIES!!!- being buried,
Please recognize, my friends, that we are being played by Alden and "his clones" - to what end, I scarcely dare speculate.

OK. It's simple.
No facts, no progress.
All speculation is bullcrap.
All theories cannot be substantiated unless built upon factual information.
I've said that in the beginning...disruptive person that I am.
Have we come full circle?

And other women being assaulted may or may not relate to Maura's circumstances, either.
Let's rule those out, too.
Or do we selectively keep favored theories?

Why not just start from the beginning? With FACTS.

Sophie, for clarificatio -- I can tell you that Alden, Benjamin Franklin/Ben Franklyne and Mason are NOT THE SAME PERSON -- they are 3 distinctly different individuals in 3 distinctly different locations.

And I am pretty sure that sanderson111 is yet a 4th person.

As to other names, I know that Alden has used some of them, and I think I may know why. But I feel fairly sure he has not used all of them and that most are in fact individuals who have happened into the forum and had things to say.

Snowy White wrote:

OK. It's simple.
No facts, no progress.
All speculation is bullcrap.
All theories cannot be substantiated unless built upon factual information.
I've said that in the beginning...disruptive person that I am.
Have we come full circle?

Theory is definitely not the right terminology, I apologize. We are hypothesizing.

Alden-of-many-names ~

Please explain the purpose of posting under SO many names.
It has frazzled, confused and upset several...and Sophie Bean, in particular.

Have you met them? They can have different IP addresses using a proxy server or vpn. Not that hard to do. Just curious - I agree with Sophie Bean and she missed a few - holy roller, for the love of god, eames.. a few I'm not sure - sanderson111? but the others I do think are OMO

I happened to come across this interesting story while looking for some information.
There's been much talk about the SBD lying about being in LE. Maybe he wasn't lying at all about it. This article was very interesting to say the least. Read the last paragraph especially under "Music and prayers".
http://ledger.southofboston.com/articles/2005...

I noticed this right away when I came to the board. I have asked Beagle to use one name too - he obviously doesn't want to

Sara wrote:

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Theory is definitely not the right terminology, I apologize. We are hypothesizing.

I apologize for not correctly distinguishing between the two.

Snowy White wrote:

Alden-of-many-names ~
Please explain the purpose of posting under SO many names.
It has frazzled, confused and upset several...and Sophie Bean, in particular.

Not just Sophie. At times it was mind boggling and very distractful. JMHO

Advocator, I hope that you are posting out of a sincere belief that those are "different identities." However, it's pretty hard to be sure that people are who they say they are online. The posters that I listed have identical posting styles and almost exclusively "respond" to the Alden/Beagle clones that we know about and always defend those clones. That a screen name appears to come from a different location doesn't mean anything. It is beyond preposterous that we should be in any way "concerned" with the "reasons" for Alden's not-so-little ego trip. Unbelieveable.

However, if I am really the only person here who finds it disturbing to say the least that this little sociopathological game is silencing victims of crimes who might actually have FACTS to apply to this case, I really shouldn't be here.

...and I will be delighted to remove any names which Alden identifies as NOT being clones. Unless Alden takes some responsibility here, I refuse to be concerned that I am unfairly accusing anyone. Furthermore, there are worse things in life than being "accused" (to use the term in its mildest and silliest sense) of being a sock puppet -namely, having a family member vanish without a trace for five long years.

Wowzer, thank you. I believe that we've been given something of a bum steer by some people about SBD's "lying" -he is, after all, an actual witness. Dismissing his account as "vague" is pretty astonishing. I think it's very possible that he is far more innocent in this than some would have us believe. I'm beginning to see plenty of reasons for some local residents to be very upset by some of the comments about the case. We all need to be very careful to not accuse anyone without absolute proof, and then it is indeed the job of LE to pursue the case. Nobody here has any business accusing anyone of anythng.(I mean, other than the clone thing, and when Alden has already admitted - bragged about - using multiple screennames, I guess that's not really an accusation, huh?)

Hello all,

The very few facts that we have access to breed an increasing degree of frustration and irritation.
I strongly believe that only an increased media awareness of Maura´s heartbreaking case could hopefully bring some kind of momentum to what at least by us "outsiders" seems like a complete stalemate.