Where is MAURA MURRAY

Beagle
What is "5 and 10" ? Is that an address? Was there a red pick up back in 04? That would be 5 years to keep a vehicle - as I know some do. I would think they would get rid of it as soon as the red truck was mentioned early on.

Who here was in Amherst when she went missing ? AND been following the case? If I remember correctly it was a small group of people. I'm interested to know if this was checked out. Interesting.

Beagle
When did you communicated two "helena's" ? Was this over email or telephone ? how did you know it was two different people. I could see how someone could do that and probably would for kicks. It is wrong but I could see that happening. From what I have read Helena dedicated herself to the site - that is how the online forum got up and running so we all could be here. Then it took a mean turn from what I hear and they had to close it down.

Here a scenario that might interest Mason.

Maura works not at a UMass gallery, but at one elsewhere in Amherst. She is having an affair with someone who works next to the gallery. She becomes pregnant, a fact confirmed by a pregnancy counseling center. He owns a red Ford PU. He knows someone near where the Saturn was found.

If the first four sentences in the above paragraph are true, then the last sentence has a good chance of being true. But, of course, what would a paranoid schizophrenic who lives here and has driven past this PU a couple thousand times know?

This is an Amherst scenario, therefore Maura's "family" or cheerleaders of purity will bash it because it is so impossibly Amherst in origin. Remember, local people know nothing. Out-of-towners know all.

Ok.......... so if that is true. Can you tell us which gallery ? Please

Mason wrote:

Shack is the poster who revealed for the first time about 6 weeks ago that the blood on the carpet at the A-Frame was menstrual blood. She never explained how she knew that was true.
Weeper told us that the carpet was separated into two parts. One was turned over to the NHSP and the other was retained by the PIs.
I am astonished to discover that Fred Murray is complaining that the PIs never tested their half. They have volunteered their time and effort for free and that is far more than anyone has a right to ask for. Testing is easy to arrange and not very expensive. Murray should have paid for it. Why didn't he?

Has it been verified since this morning that this is the sample to which Fred Murray is referring? You're ASSUMING that it's the carpet. The only reference in the article was to DNA evidence.

The information about the possible menstrual blood connection was far longer ago than six weeks. I believe that discussion began some time in October.

Mason wrote:

Citigirl said there is only one video and it's the ATM video that was never shown to the family.
The cops supposedly found a receipt from the liquor store when they searched the Saturn the next morning pursuant to a search warrant. That's how they determined what was purchased for what amount and what was missing.

Thank you. That's what I thought I remembered, but yesterday was a long day, and last night was a short night, so I didn't trust my memory.

Snowy White wrote:

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Dawn, I join you in being skeptical, with good reason, of certain proclaimed and shifting identities.
My interpretation of the PM is that someone doesn't like your questions.

Mmmmm. Me too alsho.

Mason wrote:

As Elsewhere Briefly noted a few messages back, Weeper disclosed that the blood on the carpet was menstrual blood. This suggests that the source of the blood did not bleed out and die. In other words, the PIs ruled out homicide as the explanation for the blood and likely ruled out Maura as the source of the blood as well since a lab must have analyzed the blood stain.
Therefore, the whole story about the cadaver dogs going bonkers and LE not testing the sample that the PIs gave them is irrelevant.
Why isn't that conclusion obvious to everyone and why is Fred Murray still talking about the matter?
Fred Leatherman

There was a more recent search with SAR teams in the summer of '08'. I considered this, and not the carpet sample obtained in the search of '06', while reading Mr. Murray's statements in the Caledonian Record.

Do I have an opinion about it, no not really. I am grateful for every bit of information that has been made public already.

I was just watching Shack's back when you made the comment about the carpet sample obtained from the A-Frame.

Mason wrote:

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EB,
I forgot about Weeper's reference and I apologize for stating that she might have lied. I will PM her on the other site to make sure she sees my apology.
I did not really believe she had lied because I was and remain pretty certain the blood stain was tested and she knew the result. Weeper's post confirms my belief.
Since the sample was tested, why did Fred Murray claim that the PIs haven't tested it? I find it hard to believe that they had it tested and didn't tell him the result.
Specifically, if he knew it was tested and he knew the result, why did he claim that the PIs never tested the sample?
Fred Leatherman

FRED DID NOT STATE THAT THE PI's NEVER TESTED THE CARPET.

FRED REFERRED TO *A* DNA SAMPLE. To read into that article that it was necessarily the carpet sample is an assumption.

Here is a quote directly from the article:

"Murray is also bewildered about why the private investigators working on Maura's disappearance have not turned over evidence they found during a search on property at Mountain Lakes Estates in October.

"I think as of last summer they had not tested it or turned it over to state police," he said.

The evidence, Murray said, is being refrigerated."

First of all, that was "as of last summer" they had not tested it. It may have since been done.

Second of all, does it say anywhere that this is "a bloody carpet sample from an A-frame house"?

Mason wrote:

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I recall reading something attributed to one of the PI's in which he said that some PI who used to be actively involved in the investigation, but no longer, had possession of the sample.
This statement seemed odd to me until I realized that they must have arranged to have a lab test their sample and when they found out it was menstrual blood (and not from Maura), they no longer regarded their carpet sample as important.
I'll bet they threw away their half of the sample long ago.

Threw away????? What the hell kind of defense attorney are you if you believe that potential evidence is ever thrown away?

Jesus.

Beagle wrote:

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That sounds plausible enough, but why specifically believe "she knew she was already pregnant and she broke the news to him when he called her?" Why couldn't he have already known about a possible pregnancy and - middle of the night - have called her and then it came out that he wanted, or demanded, an abortion?
I can see that maybe Maura was pregnant and it is connected to her disappearance, but I certainly don't see a pregnancy as definite at all. Maybe yes, maybe no.
I do know there is an unusually keen interest (as in otherwise statistically improbable) in her disappearance by opponents of abortion, but it still doesn't necessarily follow that Maura was pregnant. And even if she was, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the equally competing scenario of a Vasi hit.
But the notion that a pregnancy somehow triggered Maura's disappearance should definitely be given honest consideration.

Thanks, Beagle.

Although I haven't commented on your harvesting-eggs theory, I think it deserves serious consideration and you deserve a full standing ovation for the immense amount of work you put into developing it and the personal cost you've suffered as a result of your never-give-up attitude. I respect you and I respect what you've done.

Many thanks and many blessings to you for your effort and sacrifice.

Fred

Dawn wrote:

Beagle
When did you communicated two "helena's" ? Was this over email or telephone ? how did you know it was two different people. I could see how someone could do that and probably would for kicks. It is wrong but I could see that happening. From what I have read Helena dedicated herself to the site - that is how the online forum got up and running so we all could be here. Then it took a mean turn from what I hear and they had to close it down.

Helena almost died. She was in the hospital, in a medically induced coma. Someone temporarily took over her moderator duties--Lady Grey, was it you? But it was under her own name.

Helena is one person. In one body. With one personality. And, it must be said, one screen name. Period.

FireCat wrote:

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Threw away????? What the hell kind of defense attorney are you if you believe that potential evidence is ever thrown away?
Jesus.

Mason did NOT say that he threw it away! Stop attacking. Read more carefully.

Lady Gray wrote:

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As the PI's have stated, any and all evidence is turned over to LE.

Fred Murray complained yesterday Feb 9, 2009 to The Caledonian that the PIs have refused to turn evidence over to LE.

Firecat, I knew nothing about this case until November of this year and the first I've heard about a search this past summer was by Elsewhere Briefly and you.

You are correct. I assumed he was referring to the carpet samples. Do you know that he wasn't?

I'd like to hear from the PIs about this because it sounds to me like he attacked them.

LE has its own sample of the carpet. Whaqt's the point in the PIs keeping a stinking piece of carpet with no evidentiary value?

Go soak your head, dummy.

Fred

Dawn wrote:

Ok.......... so if that is true. Can you tell us which gallery ? Please

I don't know who you want to name the gallery, but it should not be named here. I certainly don't know what gallery Maura worked in, but it was reported that she worked in a UMass gallery, maybe the one in SW. No idea if it's true or not.

In any event, I can almost guarantee there is very little genuine interest in the red MA PU because there will be no one willing to identify gallery. No one really cares about the PU enough to identify the gallery.

I don't care what gallery she worked in, but I'm not about to identify the location of the truck without one heck of a good reason. And I sure as hell won't identify it here. If there were any real interest in the red truck, or if there were really any gallery where Maura worked, then someone would say it was worth seeing if the two fit together. Instead, H#2/family calls it trolling. I guess they know best.

But, as always, it gets complicated because there was a post a while back that contained information only mentioned in a private phone call one party of which was the truck owner's place of employment next to a gallery. How did information contained in that phone call make it into a post on this board?

Beagle wrote:

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It's an idea worth considering, for sure. But at first glance, it strikes me as maybe a bit inappropriate. I could never fathom his sense of loss, and I wouldn't be good at "saying the right thing," whatever that might mean. I'd be in over my head. Fred seems, last I knew, pretty committed to the scenario of an opportunistic abduction on Rt. 112 in Haverhill NH. Frankly, I doubt he would, understandably enough, have too much patience for anything like the ideas I've proposed. I think the best I can do is to press for more WORTHWHILE attention on Amherst.

I understand your hesitancy, and appreciate your reply to the suggestion. Your 3rd and 4th sentences reveal to me respect and consideration of Fred's needs before your own.

Suzanne wrote:

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Mason did NOT say that he threw it away! Stop attacking. Read more carefully.

LOL, Suzanne, he did too. "I'll bet they threw their half of it away."

Mason wrote:

Go soak your head, dummy.
Fred

Ha! Do you kiss your mother with that mouth, Mason?

Suzanne wrote:

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Fred Murray complained yesterday Feb 9, 2009 to The Caledonian that the PIs have refused to turn evidence over to LE.

Looks like a big fight may break out between Fred Murray and the PIs about this because, although I do not agree with some of their theories, I do not for one minute believe they would refuse to turn over evidence to the cops.

I think they must be absolutely furious right now and trying to figure out whether to call him a liar in public or attempt a more measured private response.

we'll see.

Fred