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FireCat

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Lady Gray wrote:
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OMG. Alden, seriously. This is NOT a fact and it is well within MY reach. However, I will not allow you to bait me which is obviously your intention.
With all due respect, and the utmost of sincerity for your mental well-being, I will say to you there was no altering of your posts.
And, if you truly don't know this, then your accusation of such confirms what I have suspected all along.
LA TEE DA, I am SOOOOOO outta here. It is sheer madness.
Catch you on the flip side, LG.

“beauty ~ nature ~ the roar”

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Gloucester, MA

Beagle wrote:
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The once nutty Vasi scenario is now mainstream enough to have a little confidence in?
If you are "less comfortable filling in the blanks" than the way John has filled them in (with a secret male lover), does that still mean you think Maura was protecting someone?
Just wondering. Thanks.
"Vasi" has gone mainstream...and I've bought into it to the extent that a related telephone call might justify an extreme reaction from a young woman who was typically emotionally contained.

Unlike others, I don't claim any professional input into these discussions. My impressions are solely based on life experiences, with an awareness and desire to limit self-projection onto my observations.

Do I believe Maura was protecting someone? Possibly. It is equally possible someone was assiting and/or protecting her. 100% speculaton, of course.

IF the Saturn hit Vasi, and depending on the circumstances, she would obviously have assumed responsibility...
1) if she was the driver of the Saturn and hit Vasi
2) as a witness if she was a passenger in another car that hit Vasi
3) as a witness if she was a passenger in the Saturn, driven by a friend or acquaintance
4) if she was the driver of a friend's car that hit Vasi
5) if she loaned her car to someone who then reported to her that he/she hit Vasi, especially if the person left the scene

If a Vasi hit necessitated moving the Saturn away from Amherst, it is possible she could have been accompanied or followed in another car/truck by a friend/acquaintance, male or female, to do so.
This person may or may not have been directly involved in the Vasi incident.

That said, a car without an illuminated headlight or with noticeable damage is a cop magnet and at risk for being stopped. I agree with others who may believe the car was not driven from Amherst in this condition.
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John wrote:
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Beagle, I was with you on your last post that I commented upon. But dude, this claim of your experience with Verizon is not credible from a technical perspective. Its not even plausible, unless the tech was just trying to mess with you for some reason.
You seem smart and insightful and like you have a lot to offer here. Why don't you let go of the fantasy stuff.
Not plausible? Very plausible! FACT: The phone rang at a location recently owned and at the time still operated by someone who had held the paper on and just bought outright the property from which two women disappeared. This is not fantasy. I have spent hours in both offices. I know how it works. But its very mention is obviously making you jump to conclusions on a subject you know nothing about. I'm here and I demonstrated the route of the call twice in front the Verizon tech and the local office manager. Twice. Both of them agreed. But of course you know a whole lot better.
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Snowy White wrote:
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"Vasi" has gone mainstream...and I've bought into it to the extent that a related telephone call might justify an extreme reaction from a young woman who was typically emotionally contained.
Unlike others, I don't claim any professional input into these discussions. My impressions are solely based on life experiences, with an awareness and desire to limit self-projection onto my observations.
Do I believe Maura was protecting someone? Possibly. It is equally possible someone was assiting and/or protecting her. 100% speculaton, of course.
IF the Saturn hit Vasi, and depending on the circumstances, she would obviously have assumed responsibility...
1) if she was the driver of the Saturn and hit Vasi
2) as a witness if she was a passenger in another car that hit Vasi
3) as a witness if she was a passenger in the Saturn, driven by a friend or acquaintance
4) if she was the driver of a friend's car that hit Vasi
5) if she loaned her car to someone who then reported to her that he/she hit Vasi, especially if the person left the scene
If a Vasi hit necessitated moving the Saturn away from Amherst, it is possible she could have been accompanied or followed in another car/truck by a friend/acquaintance, male or female, to do so.
This person may or may not have been directly involved in the Vasi incident.
That said, a car without an illuminated headlight or with noticeable damage is a cop magnet and at risk for being stopped. I agree with others who may believe the car was not driven from Amherst in this condition.
Thanks for your reply! Vasi has gone mainstream? Excellent!!!!

But one question. Why would Maura have assumed responsibility for a Vasi hit if she had merely loaned the car to someone else who hit Vasi and left the scene? Why wouldn't Maura have reported that person?

Even if a close friend or close family member had hit Vasi, Maura would have had the opportunity to tell police what happened. Maybe she would have been conflicted about it, but she would not, except in one instance, have run any risk of being trapped by the same accusation.

Think about why it is believed that Maura could not have hit Vasi. She didn't have time to leave her security post and get back without anyone noticing?

Think of it as maybe Maura was in a real bind about telling LE, her family, friends, anyone. Why? Was Maura caught in some kind of inescapable position of being credibly accused of having hit Vasi herself? But she didn't have the time to drive the Saturn to where Vasi was hit, did she? So she had an alibi. She was at her security post.

But what about the emails Maura sent? Could they have been written by someone else? Someone with a key to her room? Too bad Maura didn't have a roommate to console her.
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Why would UMass PD have even told anyone in Maura's family about her having gone to an ATM if they wouldn't show them the video?(I think it's a safe assumption that if the ATM was at a bank, then there was a security tape. Remember Mohammed Atta at the ATM in Portland?)

My guess is that if UMass PD did, in fact, not allow anyone in Maura's family to see the tape, they would not have had to say anything at all about an ATM tape. From an investigatory perspective, if you are going to withhold the viewing of the tape, it might be much better to simply withhold the very existence of the tape, to not mention it.

So someone, maybe within Maura's family, must have known that she had used her card. Otherwise, the ATM story probably would not have come out. Was the account a joint account? Does the tape, if one exists, show ANYone on it? Is that the problem?
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Lady Gray wrote:
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Oh oh, wait....one more thing. Mr. Leatherman, I worked side-by-side with attorneys for 25 years. Big law firms. International law firm. Nice professional working relationships.
I find you incredulous in the fact that you profess to be an esquire. You have lost your professionalism. Are you licensed in the State of Kentucky? Do you practice there? Is your license still current in the State of Washington?
Ever heard of such a thing as ethics in a professional capacity? You certainly don't employ them in the public forum for all to see.
Are you reallllyyyyyyyy Fred Leatherman????
I would like to add to this fine post that - being an experience attorney myself - that are some rhetorical give aways that Mason probably is not an attorney. Why are so many people living out fantasies about themselves in the context of a forum concerning such a tragic incident?
John

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Beagle wrote:
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Not plausible? Very plausible! FACT: The phone rang at a location recently owned and at the time still operated by someone who had held the paper on and just bought outright the property from which two women disappeared. This is not fantasy. I have spent hours in both offices. I know how it works. But its very mention is obviously making you jump to conclusions on a subject you know nothing about. I'm here and I demonstrated the route of the call twice in front the Verizon tech and the local office manager. Twice. Both of them agreed. But of course you know a whole lot better.
Actually, I do know better. I know enough from a technical perspective to know that you are blowing smoke.
Beagle

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John wrote:
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Actually, I do know better. I know enough from a technical perspective to know that you are blowing smoke.
Just another Arlandria pro-lifer.
John

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Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>Just another Arlandria pro-lifer.
Exactly the substance-less, feckless swipe I have come to expect from you. Say something clever sounding that means nothing. Seriously dude, what is up with you? Are you just screwing around, or are you really that bizarre?
John

Alexandria, VA

Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>Just another Arlandria pro-lifer.
By the way, was the reference to "arlandria" supposed to suggest that you have "information" about me? If so, know that I am completely laughing at you. FYI, while I live in Alexandria relatively close to Arlington, I do not live in the area along the Alexandria-Arlington border known informally in the DC area as Arlandria.
John

Alexandria, VA

Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>Just another Arlandria pro-lifer.
Aren't you going to try to PROVE to other posters that your bs story about the Verizon tech is true? Maybe you have dodged that topic with your funny accusation that I am merely "another pro-lifer" because you can tell I know what I am talking about.
John

Alexandria, VA

Beagle wrote:
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Not plausible? Very plausible! FACT: The phone rang at a location recently owned and at the time still operated by someone who had held the paper on and just bought outright the property from which two women disappeared. This is not fantasy. I have spent hours in both offices. I know how it works. But its very mention is obviously making you jump to conclusions on a subject you know nothing about. I'm here and I demonstrated the route of the call twice in front the Verizon tech and the local office manager. Twice. Both of them agreed. But of course you know a whole lot better.
You seriously crack me up. FACT: capitalizing the word FACT does not make FACTs out of the smoke you are blowing.

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John wrote:
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Aren't you going to try to PROVE to other posters that your bs story about the Verizon tech is true?
Sometimes I just reads and thinks, and sometimes I just thinks. Dunno beans about phone stuff, but could you elaborate on how what Beagle related is not true or not possible? Sounded to me like sophisticated phone-tapping, don't see how it would be impossible to do....

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Mason said:

A closely related story to the blood stained carpet is the story about the knife that someone presented to Fred Murray along with information that a close relative of the person who gave the knife to Mr. Murray had confessed on his death bed to killing Maura with the knife. Not coincidentally, the person who allegedly gave the dying declaration, lived in the A-Frame and I imagine that the chap who told the story about the dying declaration and gave the knife to Mr. Murray was the reason why the PIs searched the A-Frame.

Mason --- I think this story is put together wrong. How I believe this should read is:

A Concord prison inmate, dying, gave Fred the rusty knife and told him that his (the inmate's) brother, who was renting the A-frame house at the time, had involvement in Maura's disappearance.

“beauty ~ nature ~ the roar”

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guys, i hope you can appreciate my linking this
reference to relocating 'ducks'...i know, weak humor.
the 'ducks' have had an entirely different meaning in this forum! ;-)

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/18680277...
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John wrote:
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You seriously crack me up. FACT: capitalizing the word FACT does not make FACTs out of the smoke you are blowing.
RE:Sinclairs?
Mason

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Quija wrote:
Mason said:
A closely related story to the blood stained carpet is the story about the knife that someone presented to Fred Murray along with information that a close relative of the person who gave the knife to Mr. Murray had confessed on his death bed to killing Maura with the knife. Not coincidentally, the person who allegedly gave the dying declaration, lived in the A-Frame and I imagine that the chap who told the story about the dying declaration and gave the knife to Mr. Murray was the reason why the PIs searched the A-Frame.
Mason --- I think this story is put together wrong. How I believe this should read is:
A Concord prison inmate, dying, gave Fred the rusty knife and told him that his (the inmate's) brother, who was renting the A-frame house at the time, had involvement in Maura's disappearance.
Quija,

I wrote my comment from memory of something I read here on topix and I don't recall where it is. Your memory probably is better than mine, but I wonder how a prison inmate could have given Fred a knife.

I'll go back through my notes to see if I can find the reference.

Fred
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oops The above post was to Beagle. Sorry John.
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