Where is MAURA MURRAY

suzanne wrote:

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John, But you see, I picked Rt 112 as my route of choice simply by studying my map. Perhaps Maura did the same thing. I have never been on 112 but I have seen the MMM forum video of the part of 112 where her car was found, 112, at least in this video, looked very non threatening. Not a highway for sure but a reasonable albeit curvey road to drive on.

It'll knock your teeth loose in two minutes. But, yes, I can see how someone would choose Rt. 112 after having looked at a map.


And just to show an open mind, I can still see how she might have been hit by the clam shell on the back of a small front end loader operated by someone with limited peripheral vision. And if the jurisdictional issue is relevant, then I can see how maybe the Saturn was hit in Bath and then towed back just over the line to Haverhill.

Just a thought.

suzanne wrote:

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John, But you see, I picked Rt 112 as my route of choice simply by studying my map. Perhaps Maura did the same thing. I have never been on 112 but I have seen the MMM forum video of the part of 112 where her car was found, 112, at least in this video, looked very non threatening. Not a highway for sure but a reasonable albeit curvy road to drive on.

Suzanne,

When I was a new driver I made the mistake of thinking Route 112 looked like an easy route on the road map to Loon Mountain Ski Resort from the coast. My best friend and I headed out in the late afternoon and we didn't take into consideration that there would not be any street lights and the route would be so hilly and winding. It was a white knuckled screamfest to say the least. Aside from driving through the Rockies alone during a snowstorm in a piece of crap rental vehicle it was the second scariest ride of my life.

If I saw her, I would try to approach her. I'd want to know if she needed help or wanted to be left alone. I wouldn't say a damn thing about it unless she asked for help. She has every right to disappear if that's what she wants. However, I find it very likely that if she did disappear and was successful that we wouldn't find her in the US, Canada, or Mexico unless she had a difficult time leaving the continent. She'd probably be in a country that doesn't speak English, if she really wanted to get away, to where the news of her disappearance wouldn't follow her.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

If I saw her, I would try to approach her. I'd want to know if she needed help or wanted to be left alone. I wouldn't say a damn thing about it unless she asked for help. She has every right to disappear if that's what she wants. However, I find it very likely that if she did disappear and was successful that we wouldn't find her in the US, Canada, or Mexico unless she had a difficult time leaving the continent. She'd probably be in a country that doesn't speak English, if she really wanted to get away, to where the news of her disappearance wouldn't follow her.

unless a zebra can change its stripes...i somehow doubt a DEpendent, full-time college student, even if highly motivated to start a life anew, could transition to INdependence...both emotionally and financially on a whim.

this is buoyed by her academic achievement, which seemed to be a consistent measure of her high standards, and very likely, her self-worth. giving that up would be a deficit, and not easily duplicated elsewhere.

at the very least, running away would be a helluva inconvenience and immediate lifestyle nosedive away from a comfort zone.

no, i believe there was foul play perpetrated against Maura.

Dawn wrote:

I totally forgot about all the other crazy people we have here in WA - Kevin Coe - serial rapist - already did 25 years and keeping him in and Robert Yates - he was married with 5 kids and buried them in the flower garden right outside the window.
Just a reminder - serial killers rapists can be anywhere - the two above are from Spokane South Hill area - not the other side of the tracks. This is a nice area.

Robert Yates was from the South Hill? I'd thought he was from up in Northtown area somewhere.....

Beagle
I am just trying to help you out here. Someone - gave you bad info. I am not saying you gave bad info - just the technology to make that happen doesn't work that way. When a phone is tapped it doesn't ring - they actually 'tap' into the two pair of copper wires it takes to make one pots line. To get three lines in the had to have 6 copper wires - this would go from the little green box on the street to the demarc on the building to the jack's on the wall. cordless or not. That must be very scary to have something like that told to you about your phone. Hopefully the info above can help. I would report it for sure.

Beagle
You also can have two phones ring at the same time and be in two different places. It is actually quite common - people used this before call forwarding was so easy to do. Realtors especially - it would ring at office and at home or their vacation home. They are set up in the CO differently hopefully your tech friend can do some research for you. That would scare the heck out of me for sure.

Did they fix it for you?

I wanted to correct the wording about the stained knife Fred brought in (and, apparently turned away, then mailed) to LE. Wherever it's mentioned (the Mary Beth Conway article, etc.) it is told in the passive sense that "Fred was given the knife by..."

And, of course, if it was from the deathly ill prison-inmate brother of a local renter then I would GUESS it had to be given to him through a third person?

FireCat wrote:

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No, Mason, I don't have a problem with that at all! I was agreeing with you. My dad's license is currently inactive, because he hasn't practiced law in a few years, and he saw no reason to pay the fee for something he wasn't using. You apparently don't even LIVE in Washington anymore, so why the hell pay a fee to practice law there?
Not everything is an attack.

Sorry, I've been pretty edgy lately. Thanks, for responding.

Fred

Interest in Maura's disappearance also include, in addition to a vigorous pro-life conntingent, lesbian adoptive parents and battered women's shelters. The connection among pregancy counseling, one or more adoption agencies, and a couple of battered women's groups is key. I believe they are the ones strenuously trying to discredit the Amherst view. Their minds were made up a long time ago, but some of them may have been mislead by a PI (not from NH).

So the theory advanced by someone (else) about Maura's having been pregnant by some guy who turned violent on her is not that far out.

But this improbable alliance of pro-lifers and women's advocates is unusual. Only in a college town like Amherst would you see this kind of cooperation. Not to mention the fact that the area has a very high lesbian populatiion, many of whom are married or in a long term relationship and have adopted one or more children. Which is what probably explains the cooperation between two groups that would normally oppose each other.

Snowy White wrote:

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unless a zebra can change its stripes...i somehow doubt a DEpendent, full-time college student, even if highly motivated to start a life anew, could transition to INdependence...both emotionally and financially on a whim.
this is buoyed by her academic achievement, which seemed to be a consistent measure of her high standards, and very likely, her self-worth. giving that up would be a deficit, and not easily duplicated elsewhere.
at the very least, running away would be a helluva inconvenience and immediate lifestyle nosedive away from a comfort zone.
no, i believe there was foul play perpetrated against Maura.

I know what you're saying and tend to agree. But I have to add...

I had a nephew who was headed to USNA after high school. He dropped out of school near the end of the year, took off from home, came back, became a truck driver for a while, then became a state trooper, which he still is. Through his own hard work, he is very well off financially, has a nice family, and has never looked back. He wanted a different life and gave up all the academic stuff for something that was, to him, far more substantial.

Judging by his family and home, I'd say he made the right decision. But no one would have guessed what was in him before he dropped out of high school. He's a highly principled, stand-up guy and if Maura did something like run away, she might have turned out just as well. Which might break her family's heart, if true, but it sure beats the alternative.

Snowy
I am trying to PM you on the other site... can't find you ?
Dawn

Am I correct to say you've stated there is a presence by one or more of these factions here, on this Topix forum?
Count me out, Beagle...I don't fit in any of the above-mentioned categories.

Dawn wrote:

Beagle
You also can have two phones ring at the same time and be in two different places. It is actually quite common - people used this before call forwarding was so easy to do. Realtors especially - it would ring at office and at home or their vacation home. They are set up in the CO differently hopefully your tech friend can do some research for you. That would scare the heck out of me for sure.
Did they fix it for you?

Yes, it was fixed. At least, that's what I was told. It was a conversion from internet phone service that was already in the building to my own traditional Verizon landline service. I can only guess what happened to the previous tenant's calls.

FWIW, seems like Maura was probably Catholic. Dunno whether this would have anything to do with any decisions she might have made.

[Quote]..."Many of Maura's friends who had kept in touch with her have stopped calling over the years, Mrs. Murray said, but the churches in Hanson, Mass., Maura's hometown, have not forgotten.

"Maura is mentioned at every Mass at St. Joseph the Worker Church," the family's parish, Laurie Murray said.[/Quote]

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx...

Mason wrote:

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Sorry, I've been pretty edgy lately. Thanks, for responding.
Fred

LOL...we've all been pretty cranky lately, what with the anniversary.

Robert Lee Yates - spokane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lee_Yates

What is in the water in Washington? Good grief.

Alden,

I am pro-choice, straight, and have never had a man raise his hand to me in this lifetime so please do not include me in your conspiracy theory.

I am as well - coming from a blue state - we are very liberal in WA. Straight - pro life and out spoken :-) As you mentioned before sure glad I wasn't in Florida in 2000 voting for Nader.

Dawn wrote:

Robert Lee Yates - spokane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lee_Yates
What is in the water in Washington? Good grief.

Yes, I remember the case fairly well, as I'd just left the area. Fortunately I wasn't a hooker who hung out on East Sprague (which is, in fact, a pretty good way to get killed in that town) so I wasn't worried for my safety. But it was still really weird.