Where is MAURA MURRAY

paris wrote:

<quoted text>That bottle would have been a soda bottle though....

Sure --- just trying to remember what, besides the heavy watch on the left wrist (mentioned early on), might've hit the windshield from inside. Was that bottle, like, a Dr. Pepper or something? Something reddish?

From what people have posted in this forum (just reread it), it sounds like at least several posters have been contacted by MM's family and good friends. One of them I guess could be Beagle who most recently posted he got a call from Sophie Bean???????? It feels weird, like some behind-the-scenes political drama is taking place. Why not just let things progress as they may?

quija and all,

Referring to your last post (No 2240), I would tend to agree with you, if what you are suggesting is in fact taking place behind the scenes, so to say.

Unless any such manoeuvres actually in whatever way may help Maura´s case to move forward, it would be a rather unhappy development if this board were to become divided into "outsiders" and "insiders"....

I´m not overly sensitive about that myself, but a lot of other people posting and contributing their much valued thoughts here may feel excluded if that were to happen.

Please, let´s all make sure that we keep this board "together" and avoid creating "cliques" if at all possible.

Thanks!

quija wrote:

From what people have posted in this forum (just reread it), it sounds like at least several posters have been contacted by MM's family and good friends. One of them I guess could be Beagle who most recently posted he got a call from Sophie Bean???????? It feels weird, like some behind-the-scenes political drama is taking place. Why not just let things progress as they may?

Sorry, I tried to keep it private, but Sophie and I are getting married.

I always knew how sweet she was on me, and to tell the truth, I felt the same way about her, too.

"Oh My" arranged it all in his coded postings. I'm so happy. I hope Sophie is happy, too, when she finds out.

Re the airbags .....

Saturnus wrote:

They DID deploy per eyewitness SBD... and the airbag could alternatively be the cause of the cracks.

In order for SBD to see the airbag/s as he said he did, he would have had to be present WHEN the impact occurred that set off the airbags, because they deflate so quickly that if he came on the scene AFTER the impact, they would not have been obscuring part of the driver's face as he claimed they were.

Subsequent information posted on the MMM forum was that the airbags HAD NOT deployed at the scene where the Saturn was found (in other words, they were intact). However, they WERE deployed as of a couple of days later when the car was observed by Fred Murray and one of his sons at the site to which it had been towed (Lavoie's). When they became deployed and what the cause was, is not known.

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Advocator wrote:

Re the airbags ..... <quoted text>
In order for SBD to see the airbag/s as he said he did, he would have had to be present WHEN the impact occurred that set off the airbags, because they deflate so quickly that if he came on the scene AFTER the impact, they would not have been obscuring part of the driver's face as he claimed they were.
Subsequent information posted on the MMM forum was that the airbags HAD NOT deployed at the scene where the Saturn was found (in other words, they were intact). However, they WERE deployed as of a couple of days later when the car was observed by Fred Murray and one of his sons at the site to which it had been towed (Lavoie's). When they became deployed and what the cause was, is not known.
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I believe if you check you will see that Officer Smith in his report states that the airbags, both sides, were deployed when he looked at the vehicle on scene. This should end speculation about the airbags. Whether they deployed from that collision or an earlier one is actually the more interesting question in my mind.

Bill

Advocator wrote:

Re the airbags ..... <quoted text>
In order for SBD to see the airbag/s as he said he did, he would have had to be present WHEN the impact occurred that set off the airbags, because they deflate so quickly that if he came on the scene AFTER the impact, they would not have been obscuring part of the driver's face as he claimed they were.
Subsequent information posted on the MMM forum was that the airbags HAD NOT deployed at the scene where the Saturn was found (in other words, they were intact). However, they WERE deployed as of a couple of days later when the car was observed by Fred Murray and one of his sons at the site to which it had been towed (Lavoie's). When they became deployed and what the cause was, is not known.
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Just to make it clear for me, are you saying:

The airbags were unequivocally not deployed at the scene ergo the SBD lied about seeing 'Maura' peering from behind the driver side airbag DEFLATED or otherwise?

If not, this is new to me and thanks for the information.

WTF wrote:

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I believe if you check you will see that Officer Smith in his report states that the airbags, both sides, were deployed when he looked at the vehicle on scene. This should end speculation about the airbags. Whether they deployed from that collision or an earlier one is actually the more interesting question in my mind.
Bill

Hmph. Now I don't know what to think. The 'official' police report should trump Advocate's info, depending on the veracity of CS.

Here a question for ya. I know on most newer cars the airbags in the passenger seat will not deploy if there is not a certain amount of weight or more in the passenger seat. Were cars like that then? I know saturn is made bye Chevrolet and I think they have that as an added safety feature for young children. At least I know the '05 and '09 models do.

I take that back, "I think Saturn is made by Chevrolet". Thanks

WTF wrote:

<quoted text>
I believe if you check you will see that Officer Smith in his report states that the airbags, both sides, were deployed when he looked at the vehicle on scene. This should end speculation about the airbags. Whether they deployed from that collision or an earlier one is actually the more interesting question in my mind.
Bill

It SHOULD, yes. But it doesn't, because there is conflicting information. Pardon me whilst I try to find it. Hope to be back soon with it. Stay tuned.

Regarding a "behind the scenes" type thing, many people seem to fear that there's a clique, that the old MMM forum posters all think we're part of some exclusive club, which has completely baffled me the entire time I've been reading this board. What I CAN say about the reason some of us seem so close is not to consciously exclude anyone, but precisely because many of us have known each other online for two, three, or even four years, and over time some of us inevitably developed friendships. Those friendships have expanded to include things beyond the scope of finding Maura. Had I known Beagle well or long, I may well have emailed or phoned him to congratulate him about his cousin. As it is, I don't, so I didn't. In the interest of full disclosure, since it seems to bother people, I did leave Paris a voice mail the other day asking her how the dreaded bowling excursion with her mother, son, and granddaughter went. That's not intended to slight anyone whose weekend plans I didn't know, for heaven's sake.

Regarding a recent call to BeagleBart, it was because we were worried about him. It was discussed not more than three pages back, on the board, in public. And it apparently didn't go through anyway.

Furthermore, I should think that if the family wants to contact someone specifically privately, they have the right to do so, inasmuch as it likely regards the investigation into Maura's disappearance.

/soapbox

And now, off to see if I can find that conflicting airbag info

FireCat wrote:

<quoted text>Regarding a recent call to BeagleBart, it was because we were worried about him. It was discussed not more than three pages back, on the board, in public. And it apparently didn't go through anyway.

So you admit it then! You and quija have been talking behind our backs! I KNEW it!!! Foul. Most foul.

Hi All, I heard the chatter on the scanner that night Maura disappeared. The statement was made that a female left in private vehicle.

WTF wrote:

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I believe if you check you will see that Officer Smith in his report states that the airbags, both sides, were deployed when he looked at the vehicle on scene. This should end speculation about the airbags.

Should, but unfortunately doesn't, because although Officer Smith's report does state that the airbags were deployed, more than one other witness at the scene told the Murray family that the airbags were *not* deployed. Also, Officer Smith's report is dated 2-15-04, some 6 days after he first arrived on the scene of the Saturn, so is he going on memory that the airbags were deployed on the night of the 9th, or could he possibly be recalling that the airbags were deployed when he saw the car later at Lavoie's and assuming they must have been deployed the night of the 9th?

BeagleBart wrote:

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So you admit it then! You and quija have been talking behind our backs! I KNEW it!!! Foul. Most foul.

Nope, only behind YOUR back, because you were out mowing the lawn. We did it to everybody else's faces.

Regarding WeWii´s post No. 2247:

That´s a highly interesting point here and I see what you´re implying.

Would the passenger side airbag actually deploy automatically at a crash, even without someone sitting in the passenger seat of the Saturn?
Or would such a passenger be required for the passenger side airbag to be activated?

If the last option is the relevant one for the model and type of Saturn that Maura was driving, then it could be said that she (or whoever drove the Saturn at the time) actually had a passenger in the car at whatever point the airbag(s) actually deployed.

But then, we really don´t seem able to say whether the airbag(s) was/were in fact deployed at the Weathered Barn or not.

This case is confounding....

Hello again,
Just found the enclosed info on Saturn airbags on the web.
It seems that the Saturn´s airbags are being notoriously faulty, deploying when they should not and not deploying when they should.
Quite interesting reading in this context, I think.
Because of restrictions (4000 characters) per Topix posting, I´ve had to divide the text into shorter posts.
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Valeria of Federal Way WA (01/25/07)
I was pulling into the driveway of a gas station this morning and the side airbags on my Saturn LW100 deployed.
I called Saturn and they told me to bring the car in so they could evaluate it. I was told that they would not pay the $1700 to repair the airbags and that there was structural damage on the underside of the car that was the cause for the deployment.
This may have been caused from hitting a speed bump. They said that it was a my fault. I had not hit a speed bump that morning and the incident may have been months ago. This makes no sense to me.
Ter of Philadelphia PA (12/05/06)
i bought a 2001 Saturn ls back in 2002..i took very good care of my car....in july of 2006 i was driving down street where i lost power in my car...i had to have it towed to the dealership where i was told the the timing chain went in my car...i have 79,000 miles on it...they told me it would be easier to replace the motor for about 3,000...i do not have it...they say my warranty expired in January of 2006...so basically i am screwed....my car is sitting in my garage unable to drive and still making a car payment....i went on the website to find out the the saturn ls...have timing chain problems..this is under consumeraffairs.som...ther is a whole list of saturn cars with this problem....tell me where do i go from here......i am a very disappointed saturn owner
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Here comes the second "installment" (Source:
www.consumeraffairs.com ):
Shelly of Fairmont WV (11/06/06)
I was traveling 50 MPH and a deer jumped out and I hit it head on. I was so scared, I pulled over to get out of the road and the police came and took a report for insurance purposes, which I was thankful that the police was close by. I had 2 passengers in the car, one was in the front seat and my 7 year old daughter was in the back seat. The airbags of my 2002 Saturn SL1 never deployed. As I was talking to the manufacturer of Saturn, he said he would send out an airbag packet with information of my airbags and restrictions. Please, restrictions? these airbags should have deployed at 50 MPH head on collision. Saturn gave me a reference number to use if the airbag information packet did not answer my questions.
Anthony of Miami FL (08/29/06)
Leased a brand new 2005 Saturn Vue V6 in May 2005. It has been brought to dealer, body shop, and service 4 times for failure of brakes, power steering, transmission, and as of a recent accident impact front end at 40 MPH with a car that ran a light, the airbags did not deploy. Saturn sent a product specialist out and they said everything was working fine. The angle of impact was not enough. Other than the police report, witnesses, and insurance adjuster all agreeing that the entire front of the Saturn was smashed direct frontal collision, they will not speak with me. Also the interior paint on the dash is flaking, rubber around the windows is dry rotted, and the car is falling apart. It has just over 12 months and 24k miles of use.
No airbag replacement, even though they did not deploy in a head on accident at 40 MPH, no assistance with breaks failing to work, 4 weeks loss of time while Saturn spent doing an investigation. I have been paying my lease, insurance, and no use of the car. It is falling apart and they will only give me an address to send in my complaint. No information will be released as it is proprietary they say. I have lost 100s of hours of work to deal with all this mess, my family grew up on GM employment, loyal American Car buyers, and now I will never buy another GM car again. This has left me so disappointed in our auto market, no wonder foreign auto makers are killing us. When are we going to get our act together. I was loyal to Buy What America Builds. This will never happen again. Sorry for believing. Now everyone I know will know do not buy a Saturn. They act as if I am the enemy.

Third and last "installment" (Source: www.consumeraffairs.com ):

Ian of Waterbury Center VT (03/09/06)
I am writing about my Saturn "issues" and how their car/airbags almost killed me. I am an 11-year veteran of two branches of the U.S. military, father of two sons and married. I own a Saturn 1999 SL 4DOOR Automatic. I had taken a trip 1/4 mile down the road to pick up milk and snacks for the kids for the next day of school. Upon returning home, I was listening to a National Public Radio broadcast on the war in Iraq. I was very interested in this so as I pulled into my driveway, I instead of turning off the car, sat and listened to the broadcast.

Five minutes later, the broadcast was over and I proceeded to gather my milk from the back seat to the front seat (passenger side) in order that it be easier for me to grab. I am disabled with one bullet lodged in my back next to my spine that cannot be removed. I released my seatbelt, and leaned slightly forward to turn the car off. Just as I turned the key, BOOM! I wasn't sure what had happened, I was surrounded by white powder, and my head hurt, my back was in pain and I noticed as I lay in the seat that my air bags both drivers and passengers had deployed, hitting me full force in the face while I was leaning into or towards the steering wheel.

My wife even saw me enter the house, in a "daze" as she puts it. I went straight to my bed, clothes on and collapsed. The next morning I awoke, with a killer head ache, my whole body felt like it had been kicked,and my already injured back was really screwed up. I called the insurance company as well as Saturn.(after I left the hospital)(probable concusion, possable damage to my neck and back) My insurance company sent a person out immediately to inspect the car at a facility, I gather to get it on a lift, and check all possable causes, including driver error.

My research online hasn't been able to find that a 1996 Saturn would have had the technology available for those weight-restricted airbag shutoffs. Will have to do more research. I think it's a fairly recent development.

Euro, in the states most cars aren't made with a switch to enable/disable that I know of. I do know it's been a raging debate.