Where is MAURA MURRAY

Does anyone know what her history was. Everything I looked up has been, no one really knew her close. But what about family and her fiancee? You don't raise someone or get engaged to someone that you really don't know. Can anyone say what her hobbies were? What training/skills she have that would help her sustain an income if she simply did disappear on pupose. All I hear is she was a runner. I am not trying to be mean at ALL. My heart goes out to her family. But why has none of this been discussed. An example would be a secretary is not going to run away and get a labor intensive job, like house construction. They would stick to something they knew and felt comfortible doing. Is asking out of line?

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello all,
Nice to see how very active this forum is today.
Whether the incident/accident of Maura´s Saturn at the Weathered Barn was staged or not and whoever actually drove the car, there are two things which completely mystify me, however much I try to think of reasonable explanations:
1. The crack in the upper left (as seen from the driver´s position) part of the Saturn´s windshield.
According to various reports that I have seen, this crack was caused from the inside - not the outside - of the car.
What internal force could possibly have caused such a considerable crack in the inner part of the windshield?
If the driver of the Saturn (whether Maura or someone else) actually hit the windscreen with such force while driving, he/she must surely have been severely wounded in the head to a very serious degree.
2. The rag in the exhaust pipe.
How could this possibly be explained? What purpose could it have served, one way or other?
I´m rather at a loss on both accounts here.
Ideas, please!
Thanks!

I can't explain the rag in the tailpipe myself because I don't know what to think about that anymore.

As for the spider crack, we wondered if Maura or anyone trying to gain control of the wheel might hit their head in the process. I know, far out. But I'm hoping for time to post more info on the timeline and the call that DID come in on the first call of a female sliding off the road and leaving in a private vehicle.

Wowzer wrote:

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That phhfftt may have been cute on the MM site but here it is just plain rude and arrogant.
Here is a prime example why the MM site ran in a blind circle for over 4 years and why several new posters with fresh ideas left the forum.
Just because this forum isn't heading in the direction that you think it should doesn't mean that these ideas by the posters are meaningless and unworthy.
I surely see no blame or evil directed to the family and I also don't see where there's too little attention to Maura and her car since just about every reply pertains just to Maura.
Remember Shack this is NOT the MMM forum and there are many new people posting here with new ideas that really don't give a rat's ass if you agree with them or not.
Oh, could you please explain more about the blood in the A frame bomb you dropped the other day and then disappeared? I noticed you didn't mention it even though several people here seemed to be astounded that you knew it was menstrual blood.

There seems to be a lot of things that the family and certain other people know or think they know about this case. I have watched on the site over time as things dripped out with an eyedropper. I believe primarily with the sole purpose of creating buzz. I understand why it is being done but it is still maddening. While I don't know if people on the MMM forum were ever lied to, I am certain that things have been held back and released at specific intervals to keep discussion going and I am certain I am not the only one who has noticed that because I have seen discussion about it. I am not sure we will ever know how much is actually known about this case by the family.

There are certainly a couple, only a couple of people who clearly have an overinflated sense of their self worth. Except for them I believe that most here are genuinely looking in all the possible nooks and crannies to try to understand what happened and to find Maura. That will not happen without examining the few things we know or in some cases think we know because often I have heard several versions of the same story told different ways which makes sorting fact from fiction difficult.

As far as offending the family. Certainly first tier family members have not made themselves known on this site and seem to be as conspicuously absent from this site as they were from the MMM site. I don’t know if they are here or not and it does not matter. We are trying to help Maura not the family. If something has been done to Maura then she is the victim not the family.

Bill

WeWii wrote:

Does anyone know what her history was. Everything I looked up has been, no one really knew her close. But what about family and her fiancee? You don't raise someone or get engaged to someone that you really don't know. Can anyone say what her hobbies were? What training/skills she have that would help her sustain an income if she simply did disappear on pupose. All I hear is she was a runner. I am not trying to be mean at ALL. My heart goes out to her family. But why has none of this been discussed. An example would be a secretary is not going to run away and get a labor intensive job, like house construction. They would stick to something they knew and felt comfortible doing. Is asking out of line?

WeWii, thank you. I hope someone will contribute more than I can. I only know what I hear and read and that's only to an extent naturally. I can say that Maura had some real close friends though, it was just that being new at UMASS, people didn't have time to know her and that's a problem to be sure.

Seems there are only a few people here who have some kind of agenda. Until we get FACTS, posters can only toss around whatever ideas hit them and share any related (hopefully) research. A few people are pretty much convinced there was a crime in Haverhill, a few peope naturally want to maintain Maura's fine reputation at any cost, although even "All American Girls" have a spectrum of behaviors, especially at 21. Some posters are working really hard to reconstruct Maura's daily life.

Anyway, if Maura's family and their friends only want FORUMS FOR FAMILY SUPPORT, they should state that, and maybe people interested in exploring beyond that can start a different forum, take it underground, or whatever.... There's no need to hurt the family, but this is a pretty public case!

Bill, I think you're right about Maura being the "victim" And I've seen the bomb drops, the leaks, the eye dropper too and maybe as tears if the family does read here and cannot bring themselves to post. To me that would feel helpless. Why wouldn't I post? Hard enough to get through the day maybe just check in and at times see hurtful things, is my guess.

WTF wrote:

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There seems to be a lot of things that the family and certain other people know or think they know about this case. I have watched on the site over time as things dripped out with an eyedropper. I believe primarily with the sole purpose of creating buzz. I understand why it is being done but it is still maddening. While I don't know if people on the MMM forum were ever lied to, I am certain that things have been held back and released at specific intervals to keep discussion going and I am certain I am not the only one who has noticed that because I have seen discussion about it. I am not sure we will ever know how much is actually known about this case by the family.
There are certainly a couple, only a couple of people who clearly have an overinflated sense of their self worth. Except for them I believe that most here are genuinely looking in all the possible nooks and crannies to try to understand what happened and to find Maura. That will not happen without examining the few things we know or in some cases think we know because often I have heard several versions of the same story told different ways which makes sorting fact from fiction difficult.
As far as offending the family. Certainly first tier family members have not made themselves known on this site and seem to be as conspicuously absent from this site as they were from the MMM site. I don’t know if they are here or not and it does not matter. We are trying to help Maura not the family. If something has been done to Maura then she is the victim not the family.
Bill

WTF --- Man!!! we posted at the same time and said almost the same thing!

Hello paris,

Thanks for your posting and look forward to your information.

As for the substantial crack in the - according to reports - inner part of the windshield of the Saturn -
Does anyone here know whether a person´s head hitting the windshield hard could even conceivably have caused such a considerable crack?
Looking at the pictures of the Saturn, it seems to me as if someone has hit the windscreen with a sledge-hammer or similar - but from the inside????

Also, wouldn´t Maura (if she indeed was driving the Saturn) have been wearing a seat-belt?-
I mean, being such an intelligent young lady on such a long journey....

And what about the airbags - unless they were somehow faulty, they surely should have deployed at such an impact???

So, why the windshield crack ?-
This is a riddle indeed...

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello paris,
Thanks for your posting and look forward to your information.
As for the substantial crack in the - according to reports - inner part of the windshield of the Saturn -
Does anyone here know whether a person´s head hitting the windshield hard could even conceivably have caused such a considerable crack?
Looking at the pictures of the Saturn, it seems to me as if someone has hit the windscreen with a sledge-hammer or similar - but from the inside????
Also, wouldn´t Maura (if she indeed was driving the Saturn) have been wearing a seat-belt?-
I mean, being such an intelligent young lady on such a long journey....
And what about the airbags - unless they were somehow faulty, they surely should have deployed at such an impact???
So, why the windshield crack ?-
This is a riddle indeed...

Well, police noted the crack and yet took the search only so far that night. They did issue a BOL the next day and that's good, but for a 5'3' person. Makes me wonder now about driving like that if the spider crack was already there. Headlights too, how do you drive like that and if you do, no wonder the car spun out there if it did. What makes me sick is that the car backed up paralell to the road, "Maura" was behind the airbags and the car was half in the road. How confusing.....add some more like flashlights in the window and I'm really at a loss. My mind then goes back to the reported incident some 20 minutes earlier. Makes me think that earlier account of a female sliding off the road caused all that damage. It was called in, wish we knew by whom......and who said person left in a private vehicle? Would that help us find out if there was a separation of the car/driver at that point?

Eurobserver wrote:

Does anyone here know whether a person´s head hitting the windshield hard could even conceivably have caused such a considerable crack?
Looking at the pictures of the Saturn, it seems to me as if someone has hit the windscreen with a sledge-hammer or similar - but from the inside????

So, why the windshield crack ?-
This is a riddle indeed...

Just a guess, but maybe it was a small crack first, which became larger later?

I remember one day, many years ago, I was driving along and, particularly incensed about something stupid, I suddenly hit the windshield's center with my fist. I was totally shocked to see the glass crack over a quarter to a third of the glass surface. I didn't really hit it that hard, and I certainly didn't intend or expect it to break. Otherwise, I would never have hit it. My hand was unhurt. My buddy with me and I laughed like hell over it. A couple of weeks later, on I-91, a state cop stopped me because of the cracked windshield. Strangely enough, he wasn't laughing.

Obviously, a crack in the corner of the Saturn's windshield indicates a harder blow than the one delivered by my hand, so a traumatic head injury, interior or exterior, is not out of the question. Maybe the crack was a much smaller one first, then it somehow got bigger. Ever get your windshield hit by a small rock that leaves a tiny little crack, which, if not properly sealed, will become much larger?

Anyone here willing to admit being old enough to recall the way summer heat could spontaneously shatter a car's windows?

quija wrote:

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...when several of us were concerned yesterday that you might be cold, horizontal, and no longer crazy, I actually called your house and it (the HOUSE?) refused my call because I'd managed to hide my caller ID.

Congratulations! Where Sophie failed, you succeeded! HAHAHA!!!

BeagleBart wrote:

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Just a guess, but maybe it was a small crack first, which became larger later?
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Obviously, a crack in the corner of the Saturn's windshield indicates a harder blow than the one delivered by my hand, so a traumatic head injury, interior or exterior, is not out of the question. Maybe the crack was a much smaller one first, then it somehow got bigger. Ever get your windshield hit by a small rock that leaves a tiny little crack, which, if not properly sealed, will become much larger?
Anyone here willing to admit being old enough to recall the way summer heat could spontaneously shatter a car's windows?

Yes, it's plausible that the cracks could have been small at first and grown larger. Unless the size of the cracks in the windshield were noted by LE, they could've become bigger between the time it was impounded in the NHSP lot and the time the photo < http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/Murray... > was taken. It could've been caused by temperature fluctuation or even a heavy build up of snow on it as it sat at Twin Mtn.

It was posted on the other forum that damage done by the airbag deployment on a similar Saturn was consistent with the cracks seen on Maura's windshield. I can't recall the link to the photos, but a regular from that forum might remember.

paris wrote:

Bill, I think you're right about Maura being the "victim" And I've seen the bomb drops, the leaks, the eye dropper too and maybe as tears if the family does read here and cannot bring themselves to post. To me that would feel helpless. Why wouldn't I post? Hard enough to get through the day maybe just check in and at times see hurtful things, is my guess.

I understand what you are saying paris but how can anyone look at the mess that this has become with the constant innuendo and baseless accusations and after four years not believe that releasing any really known information would be a problem. If the tell me that the SP lab has DNA evidence that Maura was on the bus it would certainly make me think differently about what happened. Tell me that CW is a registered pedophile and I would think differently about him. Tell me that you have a tape of Maura being forced into a vehicle in Amherst while her car wound up in Haverhill and I’ll think about the fake Maura story. But don’t tell me simply because a grossly overweight school bus driver with delusions of being more important than he actually was. Don’t tell me he might have tried to puff up his importance in this and because of that tell me that it means that he smuggled a fit, young, strong girl like Maura under his shirt onto his bus with no one seeing it and did whatever to her and it was with the collusion of the police and neighbors. Sorry, I’ll need more info than that. And not just hearsay. Show me.

I am not talking about you paris at all. Just some of the general theories that some are tossing about. Not that I have problems even with the theories. I do have troubles with the baseless accusations against the locals. And I would say that if I lived in that area I wouldn’t mention a single word about knowing anything about this case because of the treatment of some of the locals. Why, to have people descend on my house insisting that I be interviewed not only by the police but by every Tom, Dick and Harry that has an interest. To insist that I am lying and that I know more? How many times will they want to inspect my house, my property? Not only that but they seem to insist that they have a right to do it. Talk about some attitudes that were totally, entirely counterproductive to what was trying to be accomplished.

This is still about the lack of real, verifiable information. It is also about who knows what and the issue that if it is okay to release the information in another 30 days then why not release it now? It would seem that if the information can not be released because of its sensitivity then that would be true in 30 days or 90 days or a year. What we have seen instead is that information is deemed releasable not because of its sensitivity but as a hook. It would seem that after this amount of time whatever has been shared with the family would be useless as evidence and shareable.

Bill

Early on it was suggested that a heavy wrist-watch (which had been given to Maura by Fred????) may have hit the windshield, obviously from the inside. Otherwise, a bottle held in the left hand of the driver? That supports (need to look this up) splashes on visor and L driver's door.

Eurobserver wrote:

As for the substantial crack in the - according to reports - inner part of the windshield of the Saturn -
Does anyone here know whether a person´s head hitting the windshield hard could even conceivably have caused such a considerable crack?
Looking at the pictures of the Saturn, it seems to me as if someone has hit the windscreen with a sledge-hammer or similar - but from the inside????

The average human head weighs 8 to 12 lbs (3.6 - 5.4 kg). Add inertia of a vehicle in motion and it's very likely that there's more than enough mass and force to create a crack in something as fragile as glass.

Also, wouldn´t Maura (if she indeed was driving the Saturn) have been wearing a seat-belt?-
I mean, being such an intelligent young lady on such a long journey....

The seat belts could've been faulty. I've read reports (can't cite them right now) where this is possible, especially after a previous crash.

And what about the airbags - unless they were somehow faulty, they surely should have deployed at such an impact???

They DID deploy per eyewitness SBD... and the airbag could alternatively be the cause of the cracks.

I've never seen any mention of trace blood on the windsheild. I wonder if LE looked for anything like residual oils or a forehead print left on the interior side of the glass?

Bill, good to clear the air, fresh start maybe? I only know from a distance, but there are two sides to this. Then and now. The family pushes in whatever way to find Maura and likely not taken too well by some, I'm sure. And not meaning to there can be some bad reflections from well intentions gone bad. I've heard locals complain too over these years but, not all of it is about Maura's deal........I'm sure it's very hard for all concerned, privacy,~ you name it.

quija wrote:

Early on it was suggested that a heavy wrist-watch (which had been given to Maura by Fred????) may have hit the windshield, obviously from the inside. Otherwise, a bottle held in the left hand of the driver? That supports (need to look this up) splashes on visor and L driver's door.

That bottle would have been a soda bottle though....

Hi all,

Some interesting comments there regarding the windshield crack.
If it´s correct that a deployed airbag could actually cause that kind of damage....

Well, imagine Maura (or whoever was driving the Saturn) sliding off the road some half an hour or so before the Weathered Barn incident (or whatever), either on the 10/302 between Woodsville and the 112 East turn-off, or alternatively on the 112 itself somewhere closer to Swiftwater village.
This is a "real" accident, possibly the first reported "mystery" accident. The Saturn slides off the road, into a ditch or a guard-rail. The impact causes at least some of the front-end damage to the Saturn and perhaps also the windshield crack (deployment of airbags).

Now, this is only a wild theory, but....

The driver of the Saturn (Maura or someone else) is being closely followed by a helper/friend (perhaps driving the MA-reg. red truck). The truck may actually be equipped with some kind of hidden towing equipment and gets the Saturn back on the road...

The driver (presumably of the Saturn) "leaving in a private vehicle", whatever that means?
And, by the way, reported by whom???
Also, why are there seemingly no witness reports of the first presumed accident by people living nearby and/or by passing motorists?

The driver somehow leaving the site of the accident, either in the Saturn or as a passenger in the red truck with the Saturn being towed away?

Then shortly thereafter the Saturn ends up by the Weathered Barn, either being driven there by someone despite the crack (small or big) in the windshield and the damaged front-end and light(s), or alternatively being intentionally dumped there by the helper´s red truck/towing vehicle?

This is confusing, to put it mildly....
Would this theoretical scenario fit in at all with the time scenario of the red truck sighting as reported by witness RO???

The timing here seems to be absolutely crucial and also, apparently, very confusing in itself.

Comments, please...
Thanks!

WIKIPEDIA EDITORS: READ THIS PLEASE!

This shows up when you click on Maura's picture.

"This image or media does not have information on its copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided, the image will be deleted after Monday, 14 July 2008. Please remove this template if a copyright license tag has been added."

I spose we should fix that, eh? I'm not Wiki-friendly, so whomever....please? Thanks.

FireCat and all,

Yes, will someone please make sure that Maura´s picture is not being removed from her Wikipedia page after next Monday 14th July.
Wikipedia has got this rather excessive "thing" about copyright issues, which can be quite maddening at times.

I don´t know how to fix this particular problem, but hopefully someone onboard here will be able to do so.
This particular photo of Maura is one of those which can be found on several other web sites, so the copyright issues should not be a problem here, as far as I can see.

For Maura´s sake, please, let´s fix this somehow -
Many thanks!

Euro