Where is MAURA MURRAY

did the Police know the gloves were new? And did they know that the monkey was an object she slept with? If the answer is yes to both of those questions, then they were incompetent. But if they did'nt I can actually see why they chose the gloves. Maybe they thought maybe the monkey was a kids or something. And as far as the gloves, if they did'nt know they were new. Well, then what would have a better scent than something you might have worn on a daily basis all for the last few months?

Good point on the monkey not necessarily being recognised as hers by people who didn't know her. Was her family present during this search? I can't even remember at this point in the evening.

I would have thought that running clothes would still have been an obvious choice, but apparently not. Also, it might depend on whether the dog handler got to choose the object or was given the item by LE.

There could be many reasons that the monkey wasn't used. It may have been scent compromised. Someone other than Maura may have been known to have touched it, contaminating it. I would be very weary of second guessing people who made decisions on scene. None of us have enough expertise on the subject to make a determination on the subject. Even if someone was an expert on this subject they were not there, so until the person on scene can speak on the specifics of why they did what they decided to do, this line of questions amounts to little more than gross speculation. That is OK but don't expect to get any useful answers. Maybe trying to contact the search group that did the search would be a better avenue to pursue. Does anyone know who actually did the search?

Jefferson

Hey Beagle,

Thanks for once again following up on the Saturn and re-confirming/concluding the source of damage.

My info came from an expert accident re-constructionist. It was, kindly, explained to me by Shack over on Maura's forum. Although I am not absolutely certain, I believe it was this individual's area of expertise while working in LE at a state level in NH until retirement.

I didn't inquire about specifics. I just wanted to know if it had been confirmed if the damage to the windshield was from the interior or exterior.

WeWii wrote:

did the Police know the gloves were new? And did they know that the monkey was an object she slept with? If the answer is yes to both of those questions, then they were incompetent. But if they did'nt I can actually see why they chose the gloves. Maybe they thought maybe the monkey was a kids or something. And as far as the gloves, if they did'nt know they were new. Well, then what would have a better scent than something you might have worn on a daily basis all for the last few months?

WI WII, I believe the police used the search dog that day without family input so they wouldn't know that the gloves were new and Maura did not like to wear gloves. I don't think that was incompetent.Hindsight is always more accurate than foresight.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25608543/

JonBenet Ramsey story. Talk about police blaming the wrong people. For 12 years!

hi all.feb 10 2004 6-46pm.umass police were asked to search Mauras room.what if Maura called the Bartlett resort to speak with someone she was meeting .it was a 3 minute call to find out they had no rooms available.also who didn't call Maura after feb 09 04 that normally would have.take care philip

whiston wrote:

hi Beagle and all,mrMurray said on the Montel Wiliiams interview that he had to be back at work on Monday feb 09 04,do you know when he spoke with the body shop and was it by phone or in person,take care philip

Wish we knew what kind of shift he had that day ---- 7AM to 3PM??? It's, what, an hour and a half to Amherst from Bridgeport, CT?

hi all june 2005 there was a possible sighting of Maura in Barton V.T.The same month the police took back the contents of the car from the family.does anyone know what date the items were taken back.were these things connected.take care philip

Hello all,

Regarding the handling of the tracker dog(s) search:

Shouldn´t at least Maura´s family have been consulted as for what object would have been most suitable to use for the search?

BeagleBart wrote:

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If the Saturn hit Vasi, then the car was probably parked in a hidden or not-very-visible location for a few days and not driven at all during daylight.
If the Saturn was damaged in Amherst or even southern VT, then there is, practically speaking, only one way it could have ended up in Haverhill: it was towed there. Realistically, that's the only choice. Otherwise, the damage tothe Saturn, not including the airbags, occurred near or at the Rt. 112 crash scene.
Since some of the damage to the front of the Saturn could have been deliberately caused by a tow truck, and since Maura already had ridden in a tow truck less than 48 hours earlier, and since a tow truck is the only way a damaged car in that condition could have realistically arrived in Haverhill, and since security is often alert to illegally parked cars, then thinking along the lines of a tow truck is not, like, some far out, absurd concept.

Beagle --- I too think it's possible if the Saturn had some damage in Amherst that it was parked in an unobtrusive spot in a friend's off-campus driveway, or somewhere like that.

If I had a car with questionable damage, I'd deal with it at dusk or after dark.

How much would it cost to tow a car 150 miles? I'll check on it --- hope it's not $280.

Like you, Beagle, or Euro mentioned I can envision a tow truck "losing" a car while going around a bend (depending on how it's attached, I guess).

If there was a hit and run in Amherst, who would a college-aged daughter call?

Still, whatever was going on, whatever the plan, even if Maura was going to visit someone already in a condo in Bartlett (whiston's thinking?), SOMEthing went wrong at some point for Maura to have vanished. Fred's broken heart --- gosh, look at the photos, imagine his endless searching --- is proof that whatever ultimately happened was not part of any trip or plan.

If this was about getting the Saturn out of state, wouldn't Fred want to be with Maura for that? Unless she was going to try to take care of it on her own, and she made arrangements with the wrong person to help or to tow her.

I'm probably heading off in a wrong direction again, but this is the first thing I found about the cost of towing a car 100 miles.... will look for exact quotes from Amherst to, say, Bartlett next.(This person said in 2007 it cost $250-300 to tow a car 100 miles.)

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

Another blurb on the cost of towing --- but I suspect the ones I'm finding are 3-4 years more recent...

What's the average cost to tow a car to 100 miles away?

Answers:
About $250 to $300
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usually around 150 bucks is the least you can get this done for,that's what it usually cost me to get a lot of them towed to the shop from out of town,you might get a better deal but i doubt it,good luck on it.
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@ 2.5 cents a mile and initial hook up charge... About $250. Good luck
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Aound here its $150.00 to hook up and a dollar a mile after that.

http://www.eas-eautotools.com/id86.html

Interesting quotes here at bottom of this web page --- starting to seem to me that the cost of towing a car from Amherst 150 miles north back in 2004 might very well have been about $280? Seem that way to anyone else?

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello all,
Regarding the handling of the tracker dog(s) search:
Shouldn´t at least Maura´s family have been consulted as for what object would have been most suitable to use for the search?

Euro, I do not think it is should or shouldn't consult with family. It just seems that a simple call to the family concerning bringing in the dog may have helped in choosing a more scented article to use. It certainly is "water over the dam", isn't it?

Just got a current quote for a 150-mile tow out of Amherst and they said with the gas costs now, it's $425. I'm gonna try to let this go now.

Hello Quija,

Some interesting posts of yours there!

There may be two valid reasons for Maura to be in hiding:

1. A severe case of amnesia, such as so called "dissociative fugue" or similar, often caused by accumulated stresses over a sustained time and most often affecting students.

2. She may be running from something/someone and therefore being too scared to come forward.

Both scenarios would most likely involve a change of identity, one way or other.

Whiston,

Very interesting connection you´re making between the possible Maura/"Raykel" sighting in Barton, VT, in June 2005 and NHSP taking back Maura´s things from her elder sister.
I hadn´t realised the time connection there before...

1anne,

Regarding your post # 2394) above:

I don´t really know what you´re getting at here???
What you seem to be saying is just what I wrote in my previous post:
The Murray family should have been asked by LE what object would be best suited for a successful tracker dog search.
Surely, we´re in accordance here?

whiston, very interestsing point you brought up!

Father's Day 2005 was JUNE 19

And this was in the Hanson Express article --- to summarize it seems to say it was JUNE 22 that they retrieved items from Maura's family that had been in the car.(See beginning of last paragraph below.)

"Exactly one month later, on June 8, 2005, Vermont and New Hampshire State Police issued a joint press release stating there was no connection between the Maura Murray and Brianna Maitland cases. Multi Agency Case Review Meeting (310.67 kB)"Investigators believe that Maura was headed for an unknown destination and may have accepted a ride in order to continue to that location," said Lt. Scarinza in the release, adding there were "no signs of any struggle, or any other evidence, which would indicate that a crime had been committed."

Two weeks later, a N.H. State Police Trooper turned up on the doorstep of Maura's sister Kathleen's home in Hanover, Mass. The trooper requested that all items found in Maura's car be returned. Maura's belongings had been given to the Murray family within two weeks of the accident."

Anne wrote:

ouiija, I believe CS came from Petticoat Lane.

A belated Thank You!