Where is MAURA MURRAY

what------- wrote:

What are you saying anyhow,sexal prefference?

What I was saying was that I doubt a GLBT-friendly establishment would deny services to anyone who is not GLBT (or vice-versa)..but now that I think about it , an establishment probably can refuse patronage from anyone at their discretion. It wouldn't be very good for business, though.

Grafton County actually holds every year an open house making it a wonderful chance for people to
go and ask and view for themselves how the depts really work.

All Deputies "official looking car" sport BRIGHT GOLD LETTER OF GRAFTON COUNTRY SHERIFFS DEPT" really hard to not have more than the world notice them"
Dispatch does time checks!
Cars milages are checked against people secure times so there are check and balances for alot
of LE in the area despite what they have been
painted as being.

Eurobserver wrote:

Saturnus Negrus,
Some interesting info of yours there regarding the Woodstock motel.
Actually, I found another Woodstock motel, The Wilderness Inn, with the web site www.wildernessinn.com .
On that web site guests arriving from southern Vermont/western MA are also advised to exit the Interstate at exit 17 (Wells River), follow the US 302 through Woodsville and then turn off on Rt 112 towards Lincoln/Woodstock!
So, now we know of at least two motels in the Woodstock area which explicitly advise their guests to drive the 112 between Woodsville and Lincoln/Woodstock...
Quija,
Some very interesting and thought-provoking posts of you there. I need to consider your points more carefully before commenting further, but I like the fact that you´re thinking in new directions beyond the well-trodden ones. Please, keep doing so!
Shack,
Regarding the "official-looking" car (SUV?) supposedly seen at Maura´s car at the accident site, but never officially confirmed, as far as I recall:
This was my first thought as well when I learnt of that house on the corner of Swiftwater Circle and Rte 112. Could there possibly be some kind of connection here?
A question (again...):
Does anybody here know whether we´re speaking of the Grafton County Sheriff OR the Deputy County Sheriff supposedly residing in that house back in early 2004?
Thanks!

If we really want to go the route of "which NH lodging establishments are GLBT-friendly" - and I don't think that we do, and I won't even go into what's wrong with the phrase "sexual preference"(!!!)- you're going to find a long, long list. I think the question (was it a question?) is irrelevant, mainly because if anyone was looking for a place to stay enroute because it was getting late, etc, I really doubt that GLBT-friendly would be a concern. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure that "GLBT-friendly" lodgings do NOT discriminate against anyone who wants a room...

To change the subject, I am still sort of fascinated and appalled by the "element" (surely a tiny but extremely vocal and obnoxious minority) of NH residents who are outraged at the notion that there is unsolved crime in their fair state and that anyone "from away" would notice! OK, I'm from Maine. Maine has a fair number, probably a similar number, of unsolved crimes. Yes, I do not hike that section of the Maine AT by myself where a woman was murdered. That fact is not a judgment on ME LE or anyone, merely my own choice of precaution. If anyone from NH expressed the same concern, I can't imagine being angry about it! I want that crime solved, too!

sophie bean wrote:

I think the question (was it a question?)...

No, I don't think it was a question. Probably just a misunderstanding to my antiquated terminology, i.e. "preference" vs. "orientation."

sophie bean wrote:

To change the subject, I am still sort of fascinated and appalled by the "element" (surely a tiny but extremely vocal and obnoxious minority) of NH residents who are outraged at the notion that there is unsolved crime in their fair state and that anyone "from away" would notice! OK, I'm from Maine. Maine has a fair number, probably a similar number, of unsolved crimes. Yes, I do not hike that section of the Maine AT by myself where a woman was murdered. That fact is not a judgment on ME LE or anyone, merely my own choice of precaution. If anyone from NH expressed the same concern, I can't imagine being angry about it! I want that crime solved, too!

Ditto.

http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/VideoPossib...

Swiftwater Circle has moved since this was made?

1Anne wrote:

Euro, I have been by that place several times, the Grafton County sheriff home has clear sight of the accident sight from his home in the winter. Thank you looking for a moose.
mcsmom, Journalist BM...

White Wash, I am unsure of your intention in your last post? I have no doubt there are checks and balances for Grafton County sheriffs. As we examine the area where Maura's Saturn ended up and talk of the neighborhood, wouldn't it include the sheriff on the corner? Isn't it correct that he has a clear view of the scene from his home in the winter? Wasn't he living there in 2004?

White Wash wrote:

http://www.mauramurraymissing. com/VideoPossibleRoute.html
Swiftwater Circle has moved since this was made?
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Um, doubtful, and also probably intentionally obtuse. What are you REALLY trying to let us know? Just say it.

White Wash wrote:

http://www.mauramurraymissing. com/VideoPossibleRoute.html
Swiftwater Circle has moved since this was made?
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That video shows nothing that you would see on the passenger side of the car--where Swiftwater Circle would intersect. It shows the drivers side well but not the passenger side.

As far as whether the Grafton Cty Sherriff lived there in 2004, I don't know. I actually hecked the property assessment for 2006 to see if he owned then--that's my only frame of reference right now. If I happen to see him the next time I'm there I will ask him.(yeah, I'm bold like that)

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>
That video shows nothing that you would see on the passenger side of the car--where Swiftwater Circle would intersect. It shows the drivers side well but not the passenger side.
As far as whether the Grafton Cty Sherriff lived there in 2004, I don't know. I actually hecked the property assessment for 2006 to see if he owned then--that's my only frame of reference right now. If I happen to see him the next time I'm there I will ask him.(yeah, I'm bold like that)

What is truth here for me is that I have no subversive intention to discredit any LE! I too would have no problem directly asking him questions, along with anyone else that lived in the neighborhood. Come on people, a 20 year old, productive, accomplished young girl disappeared right there! I have every right to ask what those there know about what happened that night! When a law enforcement person lives nearby, it is doubly important to talk to him.

As a bisexual I can state with certainty that GLBT friendly businesses do not discriminate against anyone unless they are outwardly and aggressively homophobic. First hand experience. I don't know what this has to with anything, but there it is.

Is anyone here headed to the Haverhill region in the near future? I thought I might camp out there for a day or so.

Also, if anyone has any questions regarding the 1-800-GOStowe phone call and/or connections there, please let me know as the town is 8 miles away from where I live and I'm happy to do any footwork that is needed.

Northern Light, Thank you, your offer to help is appreciated.

part 2

a)quija: do you know anything about aerial pictures of the area? I am not sure it would
be possible to tell because of the woods, but usually you can detect disturbances of the ground which may indicate something being buried. Let me quote from the ‘Forensics’ by dr Zakaria Erzinclioglu:

‘A feature visible from the air may not be visible on the ground. Aerial reconnaissance is particularly valuablr if older aerial photographs of the area are available, since these could be compared with the newer photographs taken during the investigation: and any differences in the landscape, such vegetational or structural differences, may help to focus the search (…) Various methods of enhancing the contrast between different areas of the landscape have been use in geological surveying and for military purposes for many years, although their application to forensic investigation is very recent. Thermal imaging is one of these. This technique makes use of the fact that the heat lost from disturbed soil (such as a burial pit) and that lost from undisturbed soil is different (…)’.

Other methods are: multispectral imaging, geophysical prospection, measurement of
soil resistance, magnotometry etc. So much to add to the old cadaver dogs!(BTW,
contrary to what more people believe, a scent is not someone’s smell in the air, but
skin flakes and cells which fall on the ground; even if the person has been carried,
there should still be her/his scent on a ground)

a)OH MY:‘If Maura was killed by that jacknife they wouldn't have done that in a house
unless they did it in a bathtub where they could wash the blood up!’ It is virtually
impossible to wash the blood up. It can be detected years afterwards, and it never
washes off completely; you can scrub it with bleaches etc., it still can be found.

b)Sophie Bean:‘It sounds like someone was in that closet for a long time. There is no
explanation for that (none that I can imagine, anyway) for that being anything
innocent.’ And ‘I also keep thinking about the "menstrual blood" found in the closet
of the A-frame. Does everyone agree that there's no logical or benign explanation for
that? What on earth does that suggest?’

I can imagine at least few reasons for a menstrual blood (whoever blood it was) to be
in the closet: starting with putting dirty pants in the closet, or a sanitary towel being
tangled with clothes and unnoticed. Nothing suspicious about that. It could have even
been a soaked towel. You would need just a little drop of it to be detected, and those
with heavy periods can easily overlook some leakage on the clothes. The more
sinister explanation would be hiding in the closet a sheet/underwear of a rape victim:
that could be someone raped while having a period, or someone so stressed by an
ordeal to have spontaneous vaginal bleeding/earlier bleeding caused by the shock.
Again, it’s enough to conceal the dirty sheets or tissues in the closet, even for a
while: can be detected even after years.

seems like the first part of my post did not appear (what did I click?), so I will copy it here again:

Hello All,

I’ve read the whole thread (and that was a lot of reading!). The whole case seems to have a Twin Peaks quality to it. I am quite impressed by your input and read lots of interesting points here.
I cannot contribute much, as I am not even in the country, but I can at least share some comments with you. If you do find them useful, that’s my pleasure – if not, I do apologise for taking your time. I will try to keep it short, as most of the things have been said already.

a)I do not think Maura did commit suicide: the body would have been found a long time ago. IMHO that’s the least likely version of events.
Amnesia, or – as Eurobserver suggested –‘dissociative fugue’. IMHO impossible;
That implies a woman without documents, possessions and memory of her previous
life turns up somewhere and is not only not reported, but also able to live a normal life
in a society (if anyone else, a tax office would jump on her).

b)Sophie Bean:‘seemed to be intoxicated’ does not equal ‘being drunk’. Someone quoted:‘According to the statement given the police, the witness stated the woman's speech was slurred and she had to hold on to something while she stood.’ That can mean: panic attack, seizure, concussion, stroke, being drugged, very frightened or upset, or being in shock. It may also mean being poisoned by the fumes (re: rag in the pipe). IMHO quite important fact and I wouldn’t dismiss it (besides, she was just 21 at the time, and even if she was drunk – which I am not saying she was – that would not mean she was a bad person). Also,‘responsible’ is not the same as ‘guilty’:

As for the sightings:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O87-eyewitne...

Plus the obvious fact it is incredibly difficult to recognise someone after just seeing a
picture. There is no way I myself would recognise Maura in a real life even she talked
to me face to face!(if you are accustomed with Madeleine McCann case, you know
about sightings)

Ok, that’s it. take care and keep up the good work: I will follow the thread and try to contribute if I have something valuable to say.

You're more than welcome, Anne. I just want to help. Things are weird in these parts and there is a reason for it. What it is, I don't know, but I'm sitting here healthy and comfortable and I have a moral obligation as a member of the human race to help those who are not on the radar. Maura, Brianna, Audrey, Tina, Beth, Barbara, and many others are not and it is up to us to solve the mystery. That's how I see it, plain and simple.

Carmela, I started to write a short Post and found yours..Welcome..Sounds like you have been reading for awhile. Will go back and re-read. I agree as far as your suicide theory. I had stated before (and I didn't and still don't
want to portray anything, other than the words) A suicide person can't hide their own body.
Someone asked about Sheriff D.....as to his residence..it is on Rte.10.....and just a thought...I don't see how Maura
could have seen Deputy Sheriff's brown car in the dark of night..(unless the gold glows).but, surely he, if he lived there
at that time ...had to be aware of the "goings on" that night....Northern Light, I get up there quite a bit in the Summer....but, as the years
go by....the 3 hour trip seems to get longer and longer. As Anne says....welcome. Need new minds..I know I do.

Hello NorthernLight,

Very good to see you back here and for showing such great commitment for Maura and other missing.
If only more people were like you in that respect...

Hello Carmela,

Welcome here - new input is always welcome, needed and appreciated, and I´m sure we all look forward to hearing more from you.
I found your posts very interesting to read.
I wouldn´t be prepared, though, to dismiss amnesia and/or dissociative fugue as a possible cause for Maura´s disappearance.
Please, look up the following site and you will all see what I mean:

www.visionandpsychosis.net

Hi, Shack. Thank you for your welcome note! I cannot help much with the car, as I do not drive and I am not accustomed with all those details/specifics of a possible accident.

Very interesting case, and a sad one too. I do hope it will be solved.

Hello Shack,

Your most recent post made a lot of sense (as always!).

I quite agree with you when you state that you can´t see how Maura in the dark and driving past in a car (at 30 mph or so) could possibly have been able to detect the sheriff´s/deputy sheriff´s car parked at the house in question.

Admittedly, my view of this is only based on what one can deduct from looking at Google´s maps and aerial views of the area, but even so...

I´m not disputing all of you who have assured us that it is possible to see the Weathered Barn curve in the winter from the sheriff´s/deputy sheriff´s supposed house.

My point is only that it´s very difficult to understand how Maura possibly could have realised that an LE official (presumably) lived in that house at the time.

I also agree with Shack that if such an LE official actually lived in that house at the time of Maura´s accident at the Weathered Barn, he surely must have been aware of that incident, being so relatively close to the accident spot.

hi NorthernLight and Carmella and thank you for being here.please all go to the silkyboxerz photo sites there are a bunch of photos of the area the road the store etc.. .i should have posted this before for the 'fresh brains 'to look at i am not that good with a computer and that whole link thing gives me a glaze anyway take care philip

please read this
http://www.dailycollegian.com/home/index.cfm...