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#3609
Aug 2, 2008
 
FireCat wrote:
So she ran a race for UMass, and the coach didn't remember it. That does NOT mean there's a conspiracy. It means that the coach has had a crap-ton of students since then, and especially if Maura sat out part of a season with a hamstring injury, the coach may well have misremembered.
I couldn't tell you the whereabouts or test scores of my students from four years ago, either.
Not sure where I said it was any kind of conspiracy. Just pointing out yet another inconsistency in the "facts" of this issue.
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Aug 2, 2008
 
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<quoted text>Not sure where I said it was any kind of conspiracy. Just pointing out yet another inconsistency in the "facts" of this issue.
Wasn't referring to you, moose.
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Wowzer,
Wow, you have your doctorate in criminal psychology and forensics. You write books that are used to teach in the field of LE, I’m utterly impressed!
I’m just a cleaning lady, who gets to bring my dog with me to work each day, who asks of hell of a lot of hypothetical questions to persons whom have worked in the field the majority of their professional careers. I do have an Associates Degree in Liberal Arts and an IQ well over 120 though.
I’ve known Sophie Bean for a number of years and often found myself tailing her research on the world wide web. She has also been a great help to the Murray family.
There are boogie men who rape and murder throughout the US - 55 on any given day according to FBI stats- so what makes everyone think that their home state is exempt? Given that your winters are long and dreary one would have to take into consideration that depression plays a factor in one's behavior.
The Valley Killer, Brian Rooney, and a woman I know who was brutally beaten and raped on the side of the road in a snow bank this past year is enough confirmation for me!
The Valley Killer has never been caught, LE is still sifting through photos and trying to identify Rooney's countless victims, and they guy who raped and beat the woman I know was caught but will more than likely be out of jail in a couple of years.
Dr. Godwin is the best we’ve got. So isn’t Philpin & Ginsburg. There are also retired members of NH LE who believe the person responsible for Maura’s disappearance has done it before AND WILL DO IT AGAIN.
Jeff,
Last I checked Maura’s was a major case listed on the NHSP website. It is highly possible that Dr. Godwin has submitted his findings directly to the agency in charge of the investigation. Ever thought about that?
I fully understand that the all mighty tourist dollar is at stake. It was 7% last I checked. I guess that’s why I was NEVER warned that it was unsafe for me to be travelling alone in NH between 1985 and 2002. Lots of women were brutally raped and murdered during this timeframe.
Hey look, I just so happen to rely on the experts for guidance. Advocator is right to question these theories and look beyond what's been provided.
I sincerely think it is best that I refrain from posting on this forum any longer. I know I stated this before but this time I am keeping my word.
Why do some of you from the old MMM site enjoy trying to make idiots out of the locals that are brave enough to post here? I in no way even hinted that I had a doctorate in anything. If I was an expert then why the hell would I be asking questions which were skirted around but never given a straight answer to by you.
And hooray for you elsewhere for having an Associates degree in Liberal Arts and an IQ of 120. Your family must be proud. And you say this why????
For someone supposedly so smart I think it's sad that you would think the good people of NH would put the dollar ahead of everything. It may be that important to you but values and decency I think would be more important. Although the tourist dollar is important it is not the MOST important thing on people's minds. It must be of concern to you though as you seem to be keeping track of it.
You also stated that Advocator is right to question these theories and look beyond what's been provided. Isn't that exactly what I did and look at what I got for it.
I find your post to be very rude and disrespectful Elsewhere. The reason I lurked for so long on the MMM site and never posted along with so many others.
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Someone made an idiot out of me. That someone may have enjoyed it and even tried to. What I see here is an us VS them thing when it doesn't have to be that way. Doesn't it make sense that MMM people would continue to wonder about Maura and come here to talk now that this is a place where we can continue to look for answers and reasons in all this. I don't think anyone tries to attack, although in counter, you seem to be upset at times and the responce can work both ways. I cannot fault you if something becomes personal, but does it really? If elsewhere lived and drove in NH and it wasn't safe, why can't she say that? Because you live there and don't feel the same way, why not just make statements. I only dared post to say thank you Wowzer, for continuing to help in whatever way you can. I can see by reading how important all of the locals are in helping with their insite and obvious concern for Maura. I'm personally sorry for ever speaking out of turn about or against someone. I know that to speak ill of someone is wrong and I will always be more careful not to cast the first stone.

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#3614
Aug 2, 2008
 
Hello paris & all,

Many thanks for your post. I wholeheartedly agree with your words.
Let´s all remember what we´re here for:
Trying, as far as we can, to find out what happened to Maura.

Again:
Thank you for your timely message and please, keep posting here....
We need more people like you here, Paris.

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whiston wrote:
hi all i think it does matter very much that ran cross country for umass.it tells us where and when and how far she may have travelled.from what i have read the meets were in many states.about the coach not remembering .the team has held there own circle of hope ceremony for Maura at a big meet in Richmond V.A.wh organised that.maybe the f.b.i. was asked to get involved but when they saw the saturn etc. they knew right away it was a waste of tax dollars to try to and build a case.elsewhere please stick with it.take care philip
Ahhhh! whiston, I understand what you're getting at now --- didn't before. Yeah, it matters.

Not off topic, I feel the safest in the woods. Yes, there have been some horrible publicized things that have happened to people out in the woods, but it's 1000% safer than making a phone call outside a convenience store at night. Not that Route 112 with houses around is "the woods". Just that in town, outside a bar, in a parking lot, by a convenience store, etc. is a better place for a maniac to go "hunting" a victim. IMO it's about probability.

No signs of a struggle, no yelp for help, witnesses watching here and there. At least several cars passing. Last winter there was a brief skirmish between a deer and a coyote on our driveway and "swoosh" and skid marks in the thin dust of snow were so obvious.

I don't think Maura took enough money (from what we've heard) and other stuff with her to run off and start a new life.

I don't think judging by her behavior over the previous week or so, and with having brought along some alcohol that she was planning to do much or any studying (even with nursing books in the car).
Also, the way she left things (her room packed, her shutting people out of her life, her lies) at UMass, I don't think she'd feel comfortable even going back.

I keep coming back to Fred and Billy's early reactions before every move every player made was analyzed. And they, the people who knew her best felt she was depressed and endangered.

And again, it's possible LE knows it was foul play and doesn't need to follow up on these other questions...

I feel (don't know, of course) as strongly as 2 months ago up in Haverhill that if the area N and NNW of 112 from the intersection of Bradley Hill Road wasn't private, given time, several of us might be able to find Maura way off trail --- it's a lot of area to cover. Too bad the searches aren't open to the public. BB had wondered why that area couldn't be thoroughly combed to at least rule this possibility out. A number of posters thought it was absurd that Maura might've grabbed her backpack and a few bottles and headed out into the woods to lean against a tree and let the cold take it's course. Her father didn't think it was absurd, and he knew her best.
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#3616
Aug 2, 2008
 
Hmm.. if what you say is true moose then I agree with you
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whiston wrote:
about the coach not remembering .the team has held there own circle of hope ceremony for Maura at a big meet in Richmond V.A.who organised that.
I didn't mean to imply the coach didn't remember Maura, simply that even if she was on the team and running practices, she might not have remembered if she traveled to/ran in meets. I don't know who organized that circle of hope. Anyone else able to answer that?
maybe the f.b.i. was asked to get involved but when they saw the saturn etc. they knew right away it was a waste of tax dollars to try to and build a case.
My impression has been that the only capacity in which the FBI was even invited to get involved was within the Amherst community. My understanding is that they weren't welcomed into the NH part of the investigation at all, for whatever reason. I *do* know that oftentimes there's a bit of a rivalry between local PD's and higher state/fed agencies, so that may have been part of it. And that's not a slam at NH or Haverhill in any way. That's a universal reaction to being told the feds are being brought in. Happens in every state.

In fact, the knowledge that the FBI was active down in Amherst is one big reason why I feel confident that more avenues were followed closely there than in NH.

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#3618
Aug 2, 2008
 
Hello all,

May I ask for your attention, please....

If you´ve taken the trouble to read my recent post #3612, I would be most keen indeed to hear your reactions as to the two possible sightings of Maura shortly after her disappearance in the vicinity of Wells River, VT. Apparently two independent witnesses saw a girl resembling Maura in that area at that time.

I would be grateful to learn whether any of you has seen any kind of media reference to these two sightings before. Thank you for any information you may have about this.

I shall be trying to contact the lady who runs the message board in question in the hope of finding out more.

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Hello again,

Please, make note of the fact that LE apparently brushed away the possible sighting(s) of Maura in the South Ryegate-Wells River area of VT (shortly after her vanishing) as not being "solid" enough leads to warrant an investigation!
The witness Katie was not even contacted by LE....

If this is how various, possible sightings of Maura have been "followed up" and apparently dismissed by LE - then I´m truly appalled.

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#3620
Aug 2, 2008
 
Eurobserver, I believe that siting was checked out, as I have seen that 'duplicate' of Maura myself and she lives in Groton, it is a chilling look a like experience to see her!

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#3621
Aug 2, 2008
 
Eurobserver, Be comforted with the fact that she has been reported to LE by many locals.
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[QUOTE who="FireCat<deleted text><quoted text>
My impression has been that the only capacity in which the FBI was even invited to get involved was within the Amherst community. My understanding is that they weren't welcomed into the NH part of the investigation at all, for whatever reason. I *do* know that oftentimes there's a bit of a rivalry between local PD's and higher state/fed agencies, so that may have been part of it. And that's not a slam at NH or Haverhill in any way. That's a universal reaction to being told the feds are being brought in. Happens in every state.
In fact, the knowledge that the FBI was active down in Amherst is one big reason why I feel confident that more avenues were followed closely there than in NH.[/QUOTE]

FBI did work on the Amherst connection from the perspective of interviewing UMass students and Maura's high school friends in Mass and they were ready to collaberate with NH law enforcement. However, FBI has to be invited by the overseeing jurisdiction to work on the case.

FBI involvement stopped when the FBI agent that was working with the Murray family called a family member and told them, as per instructions from NH area law enforcement, that the FBI's assistance in NH was not needed.

"Not trying to take over the board.....just giving FACTS."

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#3623
Aug 2, 2008
 
1Anne,

Many thanks for your kind responses - much appreciated.

I take it then that there have been a number of local, possible sightings, which have gone unreported in the media?

The only sightings I have seen being reported in the media, etc, have been the one in the Barton, VT, church and the one in the convenience store somewhere in NH.

Could you possibly mention some of the other ones, which may perhaps have been listed on the first MMM board, which I never had the opportunity to see.
Many thanks!

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Euro, I wonder why LE cannot at least call and say they have verified it was not Maura, maybe they didn't feel it is necessary but I sure do. They seem to hide behind their shield when not needed.

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Euro, I am not trying to dismiss sightings at all but when I see a poster that suggests she may be working as a waitress somewhere, this person and another from Littleton 'look a like' work as waitresses.

Lady Gray, That was my understanding that FBI needed to invite FBI in and refused because they could 'handle' it. I often think how thorough they were in Amherst and not welcome in NH. It is a common curse. It works the same with sherifs and SP, each becomes a bit territorial and believe they can handle it by themselves. I do believe that HPD may have been a bit 'blindsighted' at what went down in their jurisdiction. It may have been frustrating for NHSP to have to take over and they were gungho to solve it. I don't know, it just seems like that to me.

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1Anne,

I completely and wholeheartedly agree with your last post #3624.
It seems to me that LE would be in dire need of some Public Relations professionals in this respect.
The impression that they don´t seem willing to communicate with the public in any sense whatsoever is not bound to inspire confidence.
That´s for sure!

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Where are our prolific judges...sorry for the sarcasm.

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1Anne,

It seems that our judges have been taking a well-deserved holiday over the week-end, having been worn out by their heavy workload.

It would seem that you and I are the only ones around here right now, but with such pleasant and intelligent company, I´m certainly not complaining!
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#3629
Aug 2, 2008
 
Lady Gray wrote:
FBI did work on the Amherst connection from the perspective of interviewing UMass students and Maura's high school friends in Mass and they were ready to collaberate with NH law enforcement. However, FBI has to be invited by the overseeing jurisdiction to work on the case.
FBI involvement stopped when the FBI agent that was working with the Murray family called a family member and told them, as per instructions from NH area law enforcement, that the FBI's assistance in NH was not needed.
Thanks for the specifics on this, Lady Grey.
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