Where is MAURA MURRAY

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
Am I the only person who finds it odd that little ole HPD would have such power to tell the FBI thanks but no thanks!

Lady Gray to Photogirl:
Are you kidding???????? Are you familiar with federal/state/city/county jurisdictions?

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
Sorry the FACTS are they where involved there wasn't enough evidence for them to stay involved!

Lady Gray to Photogirl:
WOW! How do you know what the facts were that early in the disappearance? And, regardless of the facts that are KNOWN early on, this does not mean that all info was gathered and investigated at that point. Do you know what “investigation” means?

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
You yourself state there is a power struggle doesn't it seem LIKELY that the family friend who wasn't on the case but worked for the FBI to save face that they where not welcomed on teh case? Isn't that possible since you where in deed not there?

Lady Gray to Photogirl:
Oh that’s right. You were there. I always forget that, duh. This makes you an expert in common sense. The distinction between you and me is that you are a VIP, privy to area LE info, and you go on ride-outs?

Did I say the FBI contact was a family friend? Read again. Also, do you think an FBI agent needs to “save face” by telling a fraudulent lie to a family member of a missing person? Wow, talk about opening them up to liability from the family.

Use your common sense, FBI would say “sorry no reason for up to be on the case.” This is not at all what was said. It was made clear to this FBI person that they were NOT WANTED NOR WELCOMED by NH law enforcement.

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
Also if HPD/NHSP met with the FBI in Keene NH how is you can lead people to believe they where not involved?

Lady Gray to Photogirl:
What in the heck kind of relevance does this statement make? Did I lead people to say that the FBI wasn’t involved? Did I say that a meeting took place in Keene between these law enforcement agencies? What difference does a meeting location mean?

This IS info I didn’t know (did you get your info from a ride-out?); however, WHAT significance does the location of a meeting have? Just the fact that a meeting took place in NH between these agencies does NOT mean that the FBI investigated anything in NH.

Again, FBI’s involvement was interviewing witnesses in Massachusetts. They had to be invited by NH LE to stay on the case beyond their interviewing in Mass. NH declined their assistance.

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
Fred refused to listen to them on the car how do we really know what else Fred refused of the FBI and that is FACT!

Lady Gray to Photogirl:
Fred refuse FBI help? This has to be just ONE of the most stupid things I’ve read from you. Do you really think after all that Fred has gone through with respect to going before courts in numerous attempts to obtain info, do you really think he would refuse FBI involvement?

And that, Photogirl, is COMMON SENSE.

P.S. Do your family members and your area LE friends read what you post? You are not representative of them in an honest, intelligent, and respectful manner.

I would think they would be interested in what you post.

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
Fred refused to listen to them on the car how do we really know what else Fred refused of the FBI and that is FACT!

Lady Gray to Photogirl:
Meant to say this earlier.......how can something be FACT if at the same time you are asking the question of "How do we really know what else Fred refused of the FBI?"

Again, I would encourage area LE to be aware of what Photogirl is posting. There has been damage already done to their reputation. Warranted? Not for me to decide.

But if area LE is presenting Photogirl as their spokesman and representative......I do believe they CANNOT be aware that postings of her nature are occuring.

Lady Gray wrote:

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
Fred refused to listen to them on the car how do we really know what else Fred refused of the FBI and that is FACT!
Lady Gray to Photogirl:
Meant to say this earlier.......how can something be FACT if at the same time you are asking the question of "How do we really know what else Fred refused of the FBI?"
Again, I would encourage area LE to be aware of what Photogirl is posting. There has been damage already done to their reputation. Warranted? Not for me to decide.
But if area LE is presenting Photogirl as their spokesman and representative......I do believe they CANNOT be aware that postings of her nature are occuring.

Why don't you contact them and ask them?

please clarify wrote:

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Why don't you contact them and ask them?

Frankly, I myself don't care; however, I think they would.

And if you would like to "please clarify" that sarcastic question to me, you can do so to someone else.

Lady Gray wrote:

Photogirl to Lady Gray:
Fred refused to listen to them on the car how do we really know what else Fred refused of the FBI and that is FACT!
Lady Gray to Photogirl:
Meant to say this earlier.......how can something be FACT if at the same time you are asking the question of "How do we really know what else Fred refused of the FBI?"
Again, I would encourage area LE to be aware of what Photogirl is posting. There has been damage already done to their reputation. Warranted? Not for me to decide.
But if area LE is presenting Photogirl as their spokesman and representative......I do believe they CANNOT be aware that postings of her nature are occuring.

Am I the only one that finds your reply to be just a trifle intimidating? Since when have you become so concerned with the reputation of the area LE. That's a laugh after reading some of your posts on the old MMM forum. Maybe I've got you confused with someone else but wasn't it you that ran to their husband who was also in LE to verify all the wrong things that the local LE were doing wrong? If I have the wrong person I apologize but even so I don't seem to recall you ever standing up for the reputation of the local LE. By insinuating that LE should be looking over any of these posts is surely not going to make anyone feel comfortable posting information if they happen to have any. But maybe that's what this is all about. Excitement, drama but no answers to end it. Keep up the good work.

Wowzer wrote:

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Am I the only one that finds your reply to be just a trifle intimidating? Since when have you become so concerned with the reputation of the area LE. That's a laugh after reading some of your posts on the old MMM forum. Maybe I've got you confused with someone else but wasn't it you that ran to their husband who was also in LE to verify all the wrong things that the local LE were doing wrong? If I have the wrong person I apologize but even so I don't seem to recall you ever standing up for the reputation of the local LE. By insinuating that LE should be looking over any of these posts is surely not going to make anyone feel comfortable posting information if they happen to have any. But maybe that's what this is all about. Excitement, drama but no answers to end it. Keep up the good work.

Am I the only one who finds White Wash's postings inflammatory and insulting not to mention self-serving and just flat out ignorant? Do you, Wowzer, not see that?

You guys can go about your own agenda which you claim is to find answers; however, on the contrary, it is an agenda of derailing and feeding inaccurate information to readers who actually sit here and read.

In particular, White Wash who used to sit on the other side of the fence. Figure that one out? Did she just accidently fall off the fence or did she intentionally change sides? All of this is contradictory to what is professed to be a sincere honest desire to find answers.

I have been reading and refraining. In particular, when BB was on here. My God, I can't believe you guys actually listened to him. What is wrong unless all of you are on the same side of the fence with him and others on here who obviously have an intent of feeding info that is damaging. Child porno? UMass restraining order? Weaving historical references with individuals, locations, and viola, here's the answer?

Yes, LE SHOULD be reading these postings. Because it's pretty damn interesting to tell the truth. There is a lot to read between the lines. And there are posters on here that do NOT give credibility to others for having enough intelligence for them to be able to discern between BS, derailing, and sincere desire.

If someone has info that's helpful, then why in heaven's name don't they do the RIGHT thing and go directly to report it instead of pussy footing on here? Is it because they are afraid? What does that say? I truly do hope the Federal government is reading to see what a mockery of what good intent is professed to be.

Sigh, I have read for awhile because I so want for the info that IS known to remain accurate. However, there are instances in life when one has to realize it is futile when dealing with certain circumstances because one can slam their head against a brick wall for only so long. This is one. You, yourself, did a good job! There are other avenues that are more productive than this forum.

I will say though that the determination of the Murray family and the support of those who help THEM, will never waver regardless of the intent of others. Know this.

And readers, those of you who are not directly intertangled with the posters on here (and you know if you are or you aren't), please take a majority of what is said with a "grain of salt" and form your own opinions.

Oh, how could I forget to address my husband? Your words were "run to my husband to verify wrong info....."

Ahhhhh.....you want to bring my husband into this? You opened a door.

Is my husband in law enforcement? Yes. For a long time. Very proud of him. He's excellent in terms of fairness, honesty, knowledge of procedures, the criminal code. He is looked up to, respected and admired in his job.

I also have other very immediate family members who are in law enforcement. I don't have any disdain for law enforcement. On the contrary, I'm protective. However, I am one for truth.

Did I ask my husband questions regarding PROCEDURAL issues? Yes. Did I run to him? LOL! That makes a funny visual........no I didn't RUN. He and I have intelligent conversations.

Let me ask you this question........who threatened my husband's job and accused him of working off-duty on this case?(We don't live anywhere near NH.)

Who said his badge needed to be taken away?

White Wash. Oh, excuse me, Photo girl.

And she said this all because....... I am married to him. This threat was made because he is my husband. Not because he has any involvement in the case. Trust me on this. He is sick of hearing about it. This has gone on for 4 years!

Now isn't that intelligent for her to threaten his job? Once again, I ask readers who are not a part of this integral weave of deception to keep in mind this threat that was made against a law enforcement officer who is nowhere near this case other than being next to my side.

Hello all,

I´m not taking sides here, but I thought this forum was about and for Maura.

Internal slinging matches only deflect from the true purpose of this site.

IMHO.

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello all,
I´m not taking sides here, but I thought this forum was about and for Maura.
Internal slinging matches only deflect from the true purpose of this site.
IMHO.

You are 100% correct. And I am not too damned proud that I was drawn into internal slinging.

I do want to see truth here.

Lady Gray, You are right, in support of the Murray family and THEIR determination of what happened to Maura is the only available direction with credibility, compassion, honesty and heart. Many of us offer our support to them including LE. It is unfortunate that some cannot include the fairness that Maura's family does after all this time. The struggles only serve to dissapate the goal. We will continue, despite the constant and unfounded criticsm of MMM.

Eurobserver wrote:

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The only sightings I have seen being reported in the media, etc, have been the one in the Barton, VT, church and the one in the convenience store somewhere in NH.
Could you possibly mention some of the other ones, which may perhaps have been listed on the first MMM board, which I never had the opportunity to see.
Many thanks!

A short mention in the Caledonian-Record August 5th, 2004, states that two women believed they encountered Murray in a bar in Rochester early in July. Police discounted the sighting without giving a reason.

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let me try this again
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I'm sorry, WTH? But here's the gist of it:
05/14/04 at 10:03 PM #3
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We need your help in the search for Maura
Dear friends and family,
I received a tip in one of my mailboxes that a lady in Vermont had seen a young woman resembling missing Maura Murray just a few days ago. After a few e-mails with this gal and much prayer, she finally decided to contact the New Hampshire State Police Dept. that is handling Maura's case and report the sighting.
I have just been informed that the police do not consider this a "solid" lead and have not even followed up with a phone call to Kathie, the lady who thinks she may have seen Maura walking on her street.
I need all of you to take action to save Maura's life. This is the second sighting of Maura ALIVE reported within a week and both are within only mere miles of the accident scene.
Please call the New Hampshire State Police at (Topix wont allow #) and speak to either Sgt. Todd Landry, Sgt. Bob Bruno or Lt. John Scarinza and make your voice heard that you want them to investigate the "sighting of a girl near Wells River between South Ryegate and Woodsville/Haverhill by a lady named Kathie, immediately, because it could be Maura Murray".
Ask them what they would do if Maura was their child? Wouldn't they want every viable lead to be pursued? Ask them to have mercy on this family and go out and find Maura.

Lady Gray, 1Anne & all,

I´ve noted your recent posts and wholeheartedly agree with you both.
Let´s hope that we´ll soon be able to get back on track again.

Right now I seem to have run out of new and constructive ideas to follow up, but hopefully inspiration will be returning in due course.

I looked at Maura´s pictures again the other day and my heart bleeds for her and her suffering family.
After 4 1/2 years some kind of leads should have been forthcoming, whatever may have happened to Maura.
Somebody, somewhere surely must know something!

I just keep praying that Maura´s heartbreaking case won´t turn into a repetition of the Paula Welden vanishing in Bennington, VT back in 1946, which is still unsolved after 62 years.

05/14/04 at 10:04 PM #4

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An update, from the gal who called LE

I have received this from the gal who thinks she may have seen Maura.

It seems that LE does not take this seriously.

"11:27AM
A detective from NH State PD just called. Asked a few questions, the basics, DOB what I saw etc and said ok, if I happened to see this girl/young lady again to give them a call and they would have one of the "VT guys" come over.
Kathie"

Hello paris,

Thanks for your recent postings.
In your post # 3660 you´re referring to two female witnesses having possibly spotted Maura in a bar in Rochester in July 2004.
Would this be Rochester, NY?

Whatever, I´ve never seen this possible sighting of Maura mentioned before, and it infuriates me that the Rochester sighting apparently was not followed up by LE. Should that be correct, I´d better not say what I think....

Regarding your post #3662 I recently copied and pasted the very same text on this board and was told by 1Anne that this sighting in the South Ryegate/Wells River area of VT was apparently that of a Groton, VT, girl who according to 1Anne looks like a twin sister of Maura.

1Anne, do you know anything of the Rochester sighting back in the summer of 2004?

Thanks, ladies!

Rochester, NH?

I do not know if this is the same siting, only that I have seen the Vermont girl, looking picture chilling perfect to Maura. I will bet there are many of these calls. Wouldn't you agree Paris? I sympothize with LE whom have to follow up with all of these reportings.

looking4amoose,

Thanks for your info.
I´ll go and check out Rochester, NH, on Google Maps.

The Caledonian paper doesn't show the article anymore. But I remember it fairly well and the women said they could be mistaken. Hope if I dig for it, I can find it.
Yes Anne, I agree there have been Maura look alikes and police hopefully do what they can, yes. Keep in mind this was taken from a message board and written by people who really thought they had seen her. But I've been thinking about Maura walking around anywhere, missing by her own accord. I doubt that she would take the risk and go out anywhere looking like herself. I don't think she'd want the attention.