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FireCat

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Yeah, Paris, I have a copy on DVD if you want. It's missing the first five minutes of the show, but it was all Brooke Wilberger.

I in fact recorded it because I knew someone somewhere would need a copy. Comin' atcha! I'm going to see if I can back it up, first, to VHS (since I can't copy disc to disc)

My thoughts on the show/other people's thoughts? That this is just Scarinza. I don't think he was necessarily smirking on purpose....I think that's just his face.

Not having seen the first 20/20, I'm not sure how much of this was old footage and how much was new? I think I recall that Sharon's luggage was lost in transit during the taping of the first show....yes?.....it was mentioned on the show, so that was presumably old footage, as was the reference to Billy as "first leiutenant".

Either that or it was careless reportage. Also careless was the fact that they kept referring to Maura as having disappeared "in the middle of the night." I realise this was done for effect more than anything, and that it's as dark at 7:30 PM in February in NH as it is at midnight....but still.

They also refer to her as having hit a tree.

One thing I thought was interesting was that one of the major interviewees was.....a reporter? From one of the papers?(don't remember which one off hand. Wasn't UL though.) This struck me as.....very odd. Perhaps to downplay the utter lack of LE interview footage. There was a little bit from Scarinza, and that was it.

I thought it was a strange, almost eerie contrast to Booke's story--in Brooke's story, it was immediately evident that it was a tragedy, that something awful had happened to a wonderful, church-going girl, and everyone rallied around from day one. Rather than probing very far into WHY that wasn't the case with Maura, it almost seemed that people still felt it was a good chance she just took off on her own, that it was not a homicide investigation. It almost seemed at times that they were casting it as her fault. And I didn't necessarily appreciate the blame-the-victim tinge at times.

How many dogs were tracking her when they lost her scent 100 yards down the road? My impression was that it was only one. And yet the description of the search was "helicopters and dogs" making it sound like a massive all-out search.....whereas my previous impression of it was that it had been much smaller at first.

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Hi Euro,

My post to you just got lost so I'll sum it up!

I agree no possibility should be excluded, fugue included.

The disappearances of college-aged youngsters may also be partly due to their inexperience (in life, in driving, in telling good people from bad), confusion over life planning, not fully developed judgment in general, inability to foresee clearly the effects of their actions, and their being susceptible to making spontaneous decisions, etc.

Maura would've been able to put up a good fight and be sure to leave evidence if.... she was in good shape, she wasn't hurt, shaken up, shivering with cold, a little intoxicated, hit from outside the driver's door suddenly (damaging the windshield from inside), or suddenly chloroformed, or other fast assaults. In a "fair fight" she'd be amazing I bet.

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All: I've been compiling a chart containing information about Maura's case for a while -- just for myself to help me keep information straight. I've just transferred it to a Google doc and published it on the Internet here:

http://docs.google.com/Doc...

My thought is that we can all use this for reference. You will note that it is not complete by any means and I'll be working on that. If anyone feels that anything needs to be added, please email me at Advocate4@gmail.com

Since as far as I can tell this Topix forum can't be searched, it's hard to go back and locate information. Some of what is in the chart may by now be thoroughly "debunked", and if so it needs to be changed. I think we don't want to publish our theories there, but truly valid questions perhaps should be.

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Thanks. Adv. That's a lot of work you've put into that. It's different, to see it charted out like that....it now has the feel of a logic problem, which in a strange way is comforting. It's easier to see sense....or at least less chaos.

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Aug 16, 2008
 
Hello Advocator,
Many thanks for your efforts there! This is a wonderful idea of yours.
I found this systematically gathered and compiled information to be of much use and just a quick reading unearthed at least one new piece of information which I had not seen before.
Am I right in deducing that the gear shift lever of Maura´s Saturn was in the Neutral (N) position when found at the Weathered Barn curve?
If yes, then I immediately thought of one practical use of the N position, namely when a car with automatic transmission is being towed by another car while all the four wheels of the car being towed are kept rolling "on the ground".
In order not to damage the automatic transmission of the car being towed it is always advised that the gear shift lever must be left in the N position while the car is being towed.
This should not normally be done for a much longer stretch than some 30 miles and at a speed of maximum 30 mph.
Obviously if a car with an automatic transmission is being towed by a "professional" towing-truck which lifts either the front or rear wheels of the car being towed off the ground, then such a procedure is not needed.
What do you think:
Is it possible that Maura´s Saturn was being towed by e.g. another car/truck (perhaps the red, possibly MA-reg truck?) without a proper towing device, thus necessitating the driver of the Saturn (whoever she was at the time) to remain behind the wheel of the Saturn while it was being towed.
Could it then be that the car/truck doing the towing accelerated coming out of the Weathered Barn curve, causing the Saturn to somehow going into a spin and ending up in the snowbank in the wrong direction (causing the sound of the thud heard by Mr & Mrs W)?
Shack

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I have never been able to understand the "jurisdiction" issue re: Monaghan.
He was NHSP ...Patrol...?(since then, a lateral transfer within SP)
Wouldn't NH be his "jurisdiction"? Always thought of Patrol for highways anyway.

Also, unless there are more errors/omissions etc in Log...the disp.call for the
"Power Lines" .was at 9:20PM ...a few hours later than 112 incident.
Radio transmissions between vehicles not noted
in dispatch...?
There was H1/H2 (whatever) CS and NHSP JM cruising around that area?
Just happened to be in the neighborhood? Red pickup trucks? A secret mission? I dunno.

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So Maura might have been a casualty of another crime involving pursuit by LE that night? So Maura was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as someone on MMM said YEARS AGO?(But we didn't have clue in WHAT WAY she was in the wrong place, etc.) If LE admitted that Maura was hurt or caught in the middle of a investigative chase, it doesn't seem that would "damage the investigation" since the criminals would've heard or seen for themselves what happened that night. Seems like withholding info would be primarily to protect LE's image, and quell any public horror at their "collateral damage", not to protect the investigation? Make any sense, or not? I can't tell right now.

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Aug 16, 2008
 
FireCat wrote:
My thoughts on the show/other people's thoughts? That this is just Scarinza. I don't think he was necessarily smirking on purpose....I think that's just his face.
Also careless was the fact that they kept referring to Maura as having disappeared "in the middle of the night." I realise this was done for effect more than anything, and that it's as dark at 7:30 PM in February in NH as it is at midnight....but still.
Pretty careless also to repeatedly say the Saturn was found "in the middle of nowhere"--makes it sound like there is nothing around there yet there are actually quite a few residences and small businesses.

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Aug 16, 2008
 
[QUOTE Often wondered what types of problems you guys may have been having with drugs up in Grafton County but chose not to ask about specifics. Crack/Coke, Meth, and Heroine seem to be the big 3.[/QUOTE]

I haven't personally encountered any drugs in the area, but I believe the cabin on 112 that Shack and I talked about a few weeks ago was a meth lab that burned down.
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Aug 16, 2008
 
looking4amoose wrote:
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Pretty careless also to repeatedly say the Saturn was found "in the middle of nowhere"--makes it sound like there is nothing around there yet there are actually quite a few residences and small businesses.
Yeah, I kind of glossed over that.....working on the theory that the producers live and work in NYC, so to them, anything north of Westchester is "the middle of nowhere." But I totally see your point.
Shack

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Aug 16, 2008
 
Excuuuuuse me..for butting in here...but, I don't see the negative connotation of the "middle of nowhere"...for 69 years I have enjoyed and loved my "middle of nowhere"..when I rent out my camp and people ask "where is the nearest
yardi"...and I tell 'em X amount of miles..I am really qualifying them.
When I am at the lake the only sounds are critters and sloshing of water.
When I try to sleep at Mom's in Woodsville..the traffic noise at night keeps me awake..(noisier than here at home)
Guess to most people Swiftwater area is...but, the bridge is on Natl Hist.Reg. and a quaint NE "blink" village.....
Stage whisper..(and a dandy area to disappear...hide...whatever... )
Yes, there are drugs in them thar hills.....(more than my old 1960's)
Looking4...wish we still had those photos that Earl took along 112..one of which was the burned cabin..(had yellow tape around it) The meth lab that burned...I overheard in Warren Mkt, was on 116.(2006)
Something appears to have been going on within that small area within that 1/2 hour...SP/HPD and yeh, right..I forgot.. CW wasn't near that corner, or in his house...w/LE/FD red/blue lights flashing between 7:30 - 8PM

"Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining...."
Wowzer

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Shack wrote:
Excuuuuuse me..for butting in here...but, I don't see the negative connotation of the "middle of nowhere"...for 69 years I have enjoyed and loved my "middle of nowhere"..when I rent out my camp and people ask "where is the nearest
yardi"...and I tell 'em X amount of miles..I am really qualifying them.
When I am at the lake the only sounds are critters and sloshing of water.
When I try to sleep at Mom's in Woodsville..the traffic noise at night keeps me awake..(noisier than here at home)
Guess to most people Swiftwater area is...but, the bridge is on Natl Hist.Reg. and a quaint NE "blink" village.....
Stage whisper..(and a dandy area to disappear...hide...whatever... )
Yes, there are drugs in them thar hills.....(more than my old 1960's)
Looking4...wish we still had those photos that Earl took along 112..one of which was the burned cabin..(had yellow tape around it) The meth lab that burned...I overheard in Warren Mkt, was on 116.(2006)
Something appears to have been going on within that small area within that 1/2 hour...SP/HPD and yeh, right..I forgot.. CW wasn't near that corner, or in his house...w/LE/FD red/blue lights flashing between 7:30 - 8PM
"Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining...."
Just to nip some untrue rumors in the bud....
the house that burned on 116 was a camp that the owner was building. Just about every weekend he was up here and working on it. Just before it was finished an arsonist burned it.It was not a meth lab.
The cabin on 112 was a small old camp that
I haven't seen anyone at for quite some time. Arsonist got that one too. If I remember right there might have been another house burned too about the same time. No meth lab here either. These facts can be verified by the local police dept.
Before trashing this area any further please make sure that rumors overheard in markets, street corners, Dunkin Donuts etc are true before posting them on a public forum.
yankee

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Aug 16, 2008
 
Quija wrote:
So Maura might have been a casualty of another crime involving pursuit by LE that night? So Maura was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as someone on MMM said YEARS AGO?(But we didn't have clue in WHAT WAY she was in the wrong place, etc.) If LE admitted that Maura was hurt or caught in the middle of a investigative chase, it doesn't seem that would "damage the investigation" since the criminals would've heard or seen for themselves what happened that night. Seems like withholding info would be primarily to protect LE's image, and quell any public horror at their "collateral damage", not to protect the investigation? Make any sense, or not? I can't tell right now.
I don't even understand what you are saying here, are you saying she was injured or killed and law enforcement covered it up?
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looking4amoose wrote:
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I haven't personally encountered any drugs in the area, but I believe the cabin on 112 that Shack and I talked about a few weeks ago was a meth lab that burned down.
It was an old unoccupied small camp that burned. It was not a meth lab!
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Advocator wrote:
All: I've been compiling a chart containing information about Maura's case for a while -- just for myself to help me keep information straight. I've just transferred it to a Google doc and published it on the Internet here:
http://docs.google.com/Doc...
Much appreciated.
paris

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Yes, something was happening all right, 2 accidents between 7 and 7:30, confusion as to the exact location, car no doubt hightailing it as fast as poosible to who knows where,.....up someones driveway and home free? CS gets there and looks for the girl, he knows. He's been running for the last half hour or more trying to bring an end to this elusive driver(s).
It doesn't help matters that this info was held back from the public, just who were/are they trying to protect?
Monahan may not have "seen anything, investigated anything but ha, he was there too, how interesting he doesn't have to make any record of this. Red tape, red flag.
paris

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My thinking is that someone had Maura very worried, upset to the point of tears and getting away or meeting that person possibly with perhaps some knowledge it was going to be dangerous. I think she wanted go be near her Dad and drive his new car and as a new winter driver messed up. She called to tell Billy and seemed to want to say something more that night than what had just happened to Dad's car. The next day she didn't say a word and by Monday she 'still' didn't want to talk to much of anyone. She was seen leaving UMASS between 4 and 4:30, who saw her?
Somebody get Fred a copy of Maura's hard drive. I don't think they can legally keep this from him any more. It's Maura's personal computer from UMASS and since they want to be so territorial about things why doesn't someone make a plea for UMASS police to get her computer back in that state?!!!!!!!GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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#4129
Aug 17, 2008
 
Hello all,

Below is an excerpt from part of Advocator´s excellent new "case map" (posting 4114), as posted here yesterday.
I drew some conclusions from this information in my posting # 4116, based on the apparent fact (anybody knows this for sure?) that the automatic transmission gear shift lever in Maura´s Saturn was apparently left in the "N"/Neutral position when the car was found at the Weathered Barn curve.

What do you think of my theory regarding this?
(Please, see posting # 4116)
Thanks!
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From Advocator´s new "case map":

Maura’s car apparently had accident; was found by LE around 7:45 PM in West lane of SR 112 but facing East, with rear end of car against snowbank and front end of car sticking out a bit into the Eastbound lane; car locked and empty; driver airbag had NOT deployed; driver door had been opened and made dent into snowbank; star crack in windshield at upper left made from inside the car; reddish liquid splashed on seats and headliner; broken wine box found outside car; car was not in Park and not in Gear; left in car were M’s packed clothes, stuffed monkey Joseph, diamond jewelry from Billy, college books for study, charger for cellphone … LOCALS SAID THERE WAS A CLEAN WHITE TOWEL STUFFED IN THE EXHAUST PIPE

NOTE: the driver airbag was NOT deployed at the SR 112 scene, but WAS deployed when Fred and Billy later saw the Saturn at Lavoie’s – at some later date the airbag was CUT OUT of the car, unknown by whom or why
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Aug 17, 2008
 
Good to see you back Quija.

Wowzer,

Thanks for letting us know an arsonist was responsible for all the fires. Maybe the arsonist has one or two outstanding warrants?!

Wondering if it's the arsonist is a girl who graduated with me in high school. She set approximately 38 fires on the coast before the age of 21. It was right about the same time as the Pamela Smart case.

Interestingly enough, rural areas such as Grafton County are prime locations for meth production. Has something to do with the availabilty of fertilizer, I think. Just stating a fact and not trying to trash the area.

Looking4amoose,

I didn't see much of the drug problem when I was back home either.

My thoughts on 20/20,

Strelzin's remark about people coming to the mountains to get away from their problems and to end their lives. This made no sense to me.

Advocator,

I've not yet visited your site but wanted to be sure to thank you for all of your hard work.
elsewherebriefly

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Aug 17, 2008
 
Oops I confused Strelzin with Scarinza, sorry.
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