Where is MAURA MURRAY

Eurobserver wrote:

If we assume that Maura´s Saturn was "hijacked" and for some reason driven or towed to the Weathered Barn curve from a point further west on Rte 112:
1. Why did the "hijacker(s)" on purpose plant the car on Rte 112 by the Weathered Barn curve in the immediate vicinity of several houses and on a road with a fair amount of traffic?
Why not choose any minor back road in the immediate area with hardly any traffic whatsoever and devoid of houses?
Even taking the matter of jurisdiction into consideration, there must surely be a considerable number of such minor back roads within the town of Haverhill south of rte 112.
The risk of being apprehended must have been vastly greater if planting the Saturn on the 112, the car being seen from at least two houses nearby.

Thoughts in reply:

1. It's possible that this isn't where they meant to leave it. Wouldn't THAT be a drag....to stage an accident and/or take advantage of one to abduct someone (Maura), and then to slide off the road/have an accident of your own while trying to dispose of/confuse the evidence.

2. They could have locked the doors to cover their tracks....what creeps me out about this is that this would further point to setting it up to look like a suicide. Which we know the police were harping on at first.

SPEAKING OF WHICH:

"Not Without Peril" for the umpteen millionth time does NOT NOT NOT indicate a suicidal person. Good lord. I have a copy on the shelf behind me. I've read it several times. If I disappeared and you found a copy of Medea in my car, would you presume that I've gone off to kill my children? Wouldn't it simply be easier to assume that I enjoy Greek tragedy, as a professor of English?

Maura is KNOWN to have loved hiking in the White Mountains. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXTRAORDINARY about having a copy of this book rattling around in her car. Having read it several times (as I have, as Maura is said to have) it would be obvious that it is a story as much about SURVIVAL as it is about accidental and tragic deaths in the mountains. Emphasis there on accidental and tragic. It's an irony that this book was found among her belongings, her disappearance being both accidental and tragic, but there is NO indication in the book itself that its presence should indicate the desire to end one's life, more specifically to end one's life in those same mountains.

whiston wrote:

hi all .why have we not yet seen the video from Amherst both from the liquor store and the ATM.

Perhaps it is simply among the evidence that Weeper and LE on the case are not at liberty to discuss.

Amherst and Mauras prior life still has a lot to tell.take care philip

Weeper has at least here made it clear that he does not necessarily have any reason to believe so at this point. This does not mean that you are not welcome to see what you can learn, I suspect, simply that he is not going to spend his time looking in that direction until he has reason to believe it would help locate Maura. Since he has said he and the Team are focusing on a 1-3 mile radius around the scene where the car was found, that would indicate--to me, at least--that he has found no such reason as yet.

And I suspect that this is as much an answer as anyone is ever going to give you; you've been asking pretty consistently and being pretty consistently told this.

That doesn't necessarily mean though, that it didn't initiate in Amherst.....whatever happened occurred within that 1 - 3 miles, but could have all began in Amherst or elsewhere.....and looking at her atypical behavior, it looks like something was up.

It would make sense to tow car from West to East..as apposed to towing back to 302/10 where there is heavier traffic. Who knows why and if the car was towed/moved to it's landing place....Perhaps it was intended to tow (move)
further East and/or into a side road. Wild Ammonoosuc Rd. is a "side road"...but, those who know the area or have driven it know that they
are many side side roads and dirt roads. Perhaps the curve curtailed further moving.
I KNOW, that SP Mon.... lives 15-20 mins. South on 10...and did appear at many "calls".(Told to me by a prior Police Chief in his Town)
I was not surprised when it was discovered that he was in that Swiftwater area. Sooo unless he had ESP...there was some transmission...as
Anne said. AND, if H1 Black PD vehicle was cruising/speeding WITH the lights
flashing......Swiftwater Rd..to Goose...etc ...What was going on that could not be noted in Log...?(the "left in PV...FD/EMS sent back...?)
Perhaps that's why the first BOLO was to FD...?

It has been mentioned here many times about a possible passenger..helper...? Somebody from Amherst...Why..? 140 plus miles to do what
could been accomplished within 5..50 etc miles. For her watch, telephone back pack...?..Rape ..kill..??...could have done that within 50 or so miles of Amherst.
If so...who else is missing...? I would think ie that if a person(s)accompanied her...from...anywhere...have they been reported missing? Or did he/she/they just find their way back to .?...and return to their life..?
and kept mouths shut...?

Such a short distance..in miles from 302/10 down 112 to Swiftwater...winding and pitch black, it seem longer driving it than in the day time.

Weeper, TX...I had spent some time this afternoon finding your Post #4032 ....I miss the "Search" feature of the Forum.

I wrote that the police car was flashing lights on Swiftwater Road...want to explain that I don't KNOW if he got to Goose via Swiftwater Rd.
I just KNOW employee from hospital would have turned right onto Swiftwater Rd, from the hospital parking lot.to residence.

Whiston..wonder how Grafton County Sheriff's will receive your request for that copy...would love to be a fly on the wall, to hear response.

whiston wrote:

hi all.IF the reciept from the liquor store is missing as is posted who and how did they know what was missing fromthe car.even more important the liquor store reciept may have been the only thing that tied the car to being in Amherst on feb 09 2004.take care philip

It all depends if that statement was made after the findings from MA were released.

FireCat wrote:

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Thoughts in reply:
1. It's possible that this isn't where they meant to leave it. Wouldn't THAT be a drag....to stage an accident and/or take advantage of one to abduct someone (Maura), and then to slide off the road/have an accident of your own while trying to dispose of/confuse the evidence.
2. They could have locked the doors to cover their tracks....what creeps me out about this is that this would further point to setting it up to look like a suicide. Which we know the police were harping on at first.
SPEAKING OF WHICH:
"Not Without Peril" for the umpteen millionth time does NOT NOT NOT indicate a suicidal person. Good lord. I have a copy on the shelf behind me. I've read it several times. If I disappeared and you found a copy of Medea in my car, would you presume that I've gone off to kill my children? Wouldn't it simply be easier to assume that I enjoy Greek tragedy, as a professor of English?
Maura is KNOWN to have loved hiking in the White Mountains. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXTRAORDINARY about having a copy of this book rattling around in her car. Having read it several times (as I have, as Maura is said to have) it would be obvious that it is a story as much about SURVIVAL as it is about accidental and tragic deaths in the mountains. Emphasis there on accidental and tragic. It's an irony that this book was found among her belongings, her disappearance being both accidental and tragic, but there is NO indication in the book itself that its presence should indicate the desire to end one's life, more specifically to end one's life in those same mountains.

But you cannot rule it out either.

Even if most of the folks here become convinced a cop abducted Maura, What then?

The Attorney General has seen all the documents - but it doesn't seem he was compelled to prosecute.

Are we supposed to believe that an entire police force, Attorney General and 2 governors of New Hampshire conspired to cover for a rogue cop?

I don't buy it.

Obviously computer logs are going to be more accurate then human handwritten report.

And - what person that drives their car around makes a note of the time every time they were passed - and later remember the make and model unless something unusual happened.

I don't think these times can be relied on to be accurate to the minute. Maybe within 10 or 20. But not to the minute.

Any cop on patrol that bogs himself down writing time logs, etc won't be a cop for long - he's got to be available and responsive. Times from a report a week later likely came from scribbling on the paper - or from a dispatch log.

Most likely, the report ended up like it did just because whoever filled it out made mistakes. Bad notes, bad memory. Typo.

Second - just because a report says the driver was drinking, doesn't mean the cop saw the person for certain. Its a reasonable assumption if an open bottle of alcohol is found.

The way this has been presented doesn't pass the smell test.

I'm not going to say - no it wasn't a cop. But - its odd that it being a cop or a killer - but not suicide is very popular.

Ben Franklin

I really don't know if a rouge/psycho cop is responsible for Maura's disappearance. I guess that's why I'm leaving the investigation in the hands of the experts.

You may want to google HB 1499 & Corporal Bruce McKay and reading what facts have been presented before making such broad statements.

Lady Gray,

Re: your reply,

Generation X got a bad wrap at first but recent statistics show that my generation ranks right up there with the generation that fought in World War II.

I remember reading about a group of State Troopers who got up from their seats in the courthouse when a Highway Partolman attempted to sit with them.

I'd sure love to know who the Highway Patrolman may have been. The actions of the State Troopers in a courthouse, of all places, spoke volumes.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

You may want to google HB 1499 & Corporal Bruce McKay and reading what facts have been presented before making such broad statements.

That's a North Carolina case.

I find the many odd reactions - yours included - very telling.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> can you scan them and just email in a .gif or.jpg format so that it doesn't have to be converted to MSWord or otherwise? If not I can.

I don't have the equip anymore to do that.(Not even a digital cam for jpgs.) You can email me at this fake email account, quijie@comcast.net. Or if you're friends with Helena or Paris, they knew my contact info. I can just send you the original if you know how to make it available to others...

whiston wrote:

hi all .why have we not yet seen the video from Amherst both from the liquor store and the ATM.Amherst and Mauras prior life still has a lot to tell.take care philip

Tha's a good question - but you see, that's not on the hidden agenda. So you'll be ignored or attacked for asking. If its a good, valid observation - you'll get a backhanded compliment or baseless complaint raised against you.

BVut if you play along like Eurobserver - you'll do alright.

We should probably start a thread called: What is the hidden genda really?

Well, whatever it is, it doesn't involve actually figuring out what really happened to Maura. The agenda apparently is to prove its unsolvable. If gues if your question was answered, that would spoil the whole thing.

Elsewhere, "Trooper-Highway Patrol legal battle takes a new turn" written in
"New Hampshire Business Review" ...?
I remember Beth having a little chortle about the egos.(If this the same situation you are talking about)Fall/Winter of 2006...and into 2007...?

Reading back in the Log..for the next day 2/10/04...5 Motor Vehicle stops by PO MC between 4:45 and 6:36 Tuesday AM...2 red pickups ....one red Ford 250 NH reg. xxxxxx red/wht temp.
Seems I recall this PO was new to the force....he since transfered to another PD. a few towns South.

Wish I could remember besides the Chief and Sargent if there was more than POMC and POCB.
I have the Town Report segment somewhere in my piles. I do recall thinking how few there were to
cover such a large area.

Elsewhere do you remember the Caledonian Record Poll taken...? within the same year...and on the 2nd Forum there was one started..
The majority said "foul play"..on both Polls.
Do I think HPD physically hurt Maura. Nope...

Just took another look at the 3-page Accident Report and it's weird that besides CS saying there were 0 people injured and (next page) her injury or location of injury was unknown, it was weird he said she was drinking but there were no apparent contributing factors to the accident.

Firecat,

In response to your post 4233:

I did not in any way whatsoever suggest that the book "Not without peril" indicates that Maura was in a suicidal mind.

What I meant to ask was this:
Where in the Saturn was the book found?
Anybody knows this?

It would just strike me as somewhat odd if the book was found just lying about in the car, rather than being placed in a bag or similar.
Thus my question above.

Thanks!

Hello Firecat,

I´m afraid that I got your post # wrong in my most recent posting, writing # 4233 instead of # 4232 as intended!

Euro, I believe the book was up front with her..
either in console...? or passenger seat...
I do recall that there was a photograph of her
brother Kurt...? tucked inside...as perhaps a
bookmark...additions/correctio ns Firecat..?
Anyone...?

looking4amoose wrote:

That doesn't necessarily mean though, that it didn't initiate in Amherst.....whatever happened occurred within that 1 - 3 miles, but could have all began in Amherst or elsewhere.....and looking at her atypical behavior, it looks like something was up.

Yah, I know, and I agree. But right now, they have to work backwards, and the evidence they have so far hasn't led them any farther away than that radius.

At least that's how I read Weeper's earlier posts.

Shack wrote:

Euro, I believe the book was up front with her..
either in console...? or passenger seat...
I do recall that there was a photograph of her
brother Kurt...? tucked inside...as perhaps a
bookmark...additions/correctio ns Firecat..?
Anyone...?

Don't remember. And Euro, are you trying to figure out if there's a way to find out if someone else was in the car, reading it? I'm just trying to catch up with where your brain is currently.