Where is MAURA MURRAY

Looking4amoose,

The NHSP would not comment on Maura's case for a number of years and did not communicate with Fred during this timeframe as well.

If you go over to the actual 20/20 site there are comments from an actual reporter who has covered Maura's case regarding this very subject.

Last Fall - October '07'- the Manchester Union Leader came out with an article about Maura.

Although the article did mention that NHSP are treating Maura's as a homicide investigation the focus seemed to be more on Maura's drinking habits more than anything. The Squaw Walk comment was also noted in this article also.

I, personally, felt that my intelligence was being insulted after I read the article and I felt that the 'squaw walk' comment was an insult to Fred also.

In the Fall of '07' I wrote a blog on Mypsace titled 'Pandora's Box' out of frustration after that UL article was published. It was about Maura and the numbers of other missing persons and unsolved homicides in NH/VT.

In the course of 24 hours that blog received well over 250 hits. I was startled by this so I shut the blog down and began googling certain words I used in the blog. I'm leaving it at that.

I don't have an Agenda or a hidden Agenda and I've actually begun questioning the people who tend to bring this up repeatedly.

Curious,

As for Carla Baron´s claims, please have a look at this very interesting site:
www.iigwest.com

While there are, in my opinion and from my own personal experience, a few genuinely gifted psychics, most of those who claim to possess psychic abilities are simply not up to scratch.

Weeper wrote:

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Quija, if you are refering to my post above, yes it is I. The reason it dosn't sound like me is because I don't normally respond to personal questions and/or voicing "personal opinions". I will refrane from doing so in the future only because you all expect me to respond to "facts" and such...as I promised you I would if I'm allowed to do so. I don't expect you all to agree with me on any number of subjects, nor do I want you to do so. There is a difference between arguing and debating an issue, I am not so closed minded as to not be willing to debate a theroy or scenerio. I don't have all the answers and never said I did, you all have some of the answers and I have been led to different avenues in this investigation by the "brain-pool" in this forum and the MMM forum. Thank you all, LadyGray..I need to reread your posts some more before I can effectviely respond and/or help.
Respectfully,
Weeper

Weeper, I look forward to your posts because of your and your team's knowledge and experience. I know nothing first-hand. I hope you continue to post any- and everything. Last night I just wondered for a minute there if someone was using your name. That's all. Thanks for answering.

Euro,

It may be worth your while to google Paul Smith - Remote Viewing.

He was trained in Remote Viewing by Ingo Swann under the cloak of the US Government and used in a number of successful drug smuggling sting operations during the late eighties amongst many other operations throughout the world.

In a recent interview he stated how pleased he is with how many people are undergoing training in remote viewing to aid LE in finding missing children, missing persons, etc.

Paul Smith is currently obtaining his PHD because he would like to change the theory of quantum physics.

A direct quote from Paul Smith, "Without your PHD no one takes you seriously".

Advocator wrote:

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Okay, well, then I'm not sure either. I had 1:30AM in my notes, which would have come from a post on the MMM forum. I've gone to the Chart and revised to list both times with a note that the time needs to be verified. If anyone has notes or information with the time from a solid source, please post that.
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I don't have anything on the Chart about the weather that night but it would probably be helpful to add it -- need a good source ... probably we shouldn't go by anyone's memory although I know there are several here who live in the area and may recall what it was that night simply because they've been very focused on Maura's situation.
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My notes indicated that this was something that Scarinza told the media.

Hi Advocator,
If this wasn't answered already, the moon chart was here: http://www.life-cycles-destiny.com/dw/2001201...

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Euro,
It may be worth your while to google Paul Smith - Remote Viewing.
He was trained in Remote Viewing by Ingo Swann under the cloak of the US Government and used in a number of successful drug smuggling sting operations during the late eighties amongst many other operations throughout the world.
In a recent interview he stated how pleased he is with how many people are undergoing training in remote viewing to aid LE in finding missing children, missing persons, etc.
Paul Smith is currently obtaining his PHD because he would like to change the theory of quantum physics.
A direct quote from Paul Smith, "Without your PHD no one takes you seriously".

elsewherebriefly,

Thanks for that piece of information.
I believe that I have read about Paul Smith somewhere before and it´s a fascinating subject.
As for the true psychics, my impression is that the really gifted ones are mostly the ones quietly going about doing their good work without blaring fanfares and blustering PR.

Speaking of this, do you or anybody else here recall the lady who used to post fairly often on the old MMM forum and who claimed to have some psychic gifts?
She spoke about her rather unsettling dreams of Maura and specifically mentioned, IIRC, the Oliverian Valley (between Pike and Glencliff) as a possible geographical location in this context.
I wish I could go back to the ex-MMM Forum to check all this...

Euro, are you referring to Peri?

FireCat wrote:

Euro, are you referring to Peri?

FireCat,

Yes, that name rings a bell.
All this came up in my mind with a previous poster here (Moses) some time ago mentioning those unconfirmed rumours of a possible search in the Glencliff area.

Curious wrote:

She has also told him in what kind of an area Maura can be found.
"I have been in touch with Maura," Baron said. Maura met with foul play the same night as the accident, she said.

Well hell, if she has been talking with Maura I would hope Maura would have told her a lot more about the crime and where she was. You know, how about a street address or at least a street name. I know if I was dead and someone started chatting it up with me I would be making maps for them and giving descriptions of the killer(s) what they were driving and what they were wearing down to their underwear and the contents of the building. There is no one more full of shit than a psychic except a psychic who has a crowd gathered.

If it was one of those remoter viewers well than walk to the front of the house and get me a name off of the mailbox. Why all the intrigue?

Oh, oh, I see some woods and a river and oh there is a building in the distance and railroad tracks near. Oh, I also see some trees with some grass nearby. I mean come on, why would anyone fall for this crap? Why do I disparage? Simple, it is a waste of time and they feed on the need of desperate people which is even more disgusting. People want to believe it. Whenever a psychic actually has the courage to go through standard testing like “The Amazing Randi” and groups like The Independent Investigations Group or the Skeptical Inquirer they are always found to be just as effective as guessing.

I guess if she was killed that night then Billy and his mother are wrong about hearing her on the phone.

But your time is your own to spend however you want.

Bill

Does anyone know where the Grafton County Correctional Farm and seasonal farm stand are in relation to where 112 heads south off of 302? Is it east? Always wondered about ex-prisoners knowing that farm/wooded acreage well. Psychics aside, there IS a long stretch where 302, railroad track, and river follow along together -- Just can't get a map yet of the prison property.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury I'm just a caveman. Your world frightens and confuses me. Whenever I see a large congregation of your iron traveling machines I get so upset, I hop out of my Range Rover, and run across the fairway to to the clubhouse, where I get Carlos to make me one of those martinis he's so famous for, to soothe my primitive caveman brain.

But whatever world you're from, I do know one thing - that if Lady Anne says a police report with glaring inconsistancies is accurate, it is accurate.

Thank You

WTF wrote:

There is no one more full of shit than a psychic except a psychic who has a crowd gathered.

Ladies and gentleman, I'm just a caveman. Your world frightens and confuses me. But there is one thing I do know - is that psychics are spruikers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Thaml You

Quija wrote:

Does anyone know where the Grafton County Correctional Farm and seasonal farm stand are in relation to where 112 heads south off of 302? Is it east? Always wondered about ex-prisoners knowing that farm/wooded acreage well. Psychics aside, there IS a long stretch where 302, railroad track, and river follow along together -- Just can't get a map yet of the prison property.

i'd say it's about 10 miles away - the farm is south and west of where 112 hits 302.
i don't know if the link below will work, if not, google grafton county office of the commissioners, and you'll see a link to a "map of the campus". it shows the relationship to rt 10.
http://www.graftoncountynh.us/PDF%20Files/Gra...

Quija wrote:

Psychics aside, there IS a long stretch where 302, railroad track, and river follow along together

Of course it does. The river was there first. In many cases the railroad went next. Why, because it is level and relatively flat and steam engines need lots of water, especially free water. Then the state road because of the same reason flat and close to level. It sure beats the hell out of blowing hell out of mountains to get through. Point being that this pattern is repeated over and over not just in the northeast or the US but around the world, so them mentioning RR tracks, near a river and a highway nearby is useless and anyone could come up with it.

Bill

bacon wrote:

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i'd say it's about 10 miles away - the farm is south and west of where 112 hits 302.
i don't know if the link below will work, if not, google grafton county office of the commissioners, and you'll see a link to a "map of the campus". it shows the relationship to rt 10.
http://www.graftoncountynh.us/PDF%20Files/Gra...
%20Complex%20Building%20Map%20 2copy.pdf

Thanks, Bacon, I appreciate it. Do you think there are Correctional-"owned" woodlands, wetlands, or farm fields any closer back to the 302/112 intersection? I thought I saw (?somewhere) they had almost 800 acres? Since you know the area, is there any sense in pursuing the idea of an ex-con knowing those areas from prison farm work? In terms of where Maura might've been taken if abducted?

Okay I know a lot of you are skeptical about psychics as am I to some degree...however, you do hear of psychics helping police solve unsolved cases so I don't feel they are a complete waste of time...I think it is a benefit to not rule out anything especially in a missing person case, you need to track down all leads. I was reading another forum and there was mention of this website which I found very interesting...This guy is not a psychic but he dreams and a lot these dreams have come true

I might be grasping at straws don't really care but he posts his dreams whatever they may be and he draws pictures of what he sees...he also includes all the emails from family members, friends and any case that is ongoing..there are sections for missing people and solved missing people cases

Anyway, there is a whole section on Maura and what he believes may have happened...it relates to what Clara Baron had said about her being abducted by a young man in his late 20's early 30's...I know some of you may think this is far fetched but I figured there might be some that are interested in stuff like this

The first link is about who he is and what he does

http://www.briansprediction.com/

This next link is about Maura- it also seems like Helena Murray contacted him about her case too...he seems to believe a police officer may be connected in her disappearance

http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings014.h...

This last link is pictures that he had drawn after his dreams...there are several pictures

http://briansdreams.com/helpwanted/Maura%20Mu...

Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury I'm just a caveman. Your world frightens and confuses me. Whenever I see a large congregation of your iron traveling machines I get so upset, I hop out of my Range Rover, and run across the fairway to to the clubhouse, where I get Carlos to make me one of those martinis he's so famous for, to soothe my primitive caveman brain.
But whatever world you're from, I do know one thing - that if Lady Anne says a police report with glaring inconsistancies is accurate, it is accurate.
Thank You

I think when you were crossing the fairway, you forgot to duck when someone yelled "four!!" You've obviously been hit in the head with too many golfballs. Take a different route next time.

Lady Gray wrote:

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I think when you were crossing the fairway, you forgot to duck when someone yelled "four!!" You've obviously been hit in the head with too many golfballs. Take a different route next time.

I agree but spruikers is a real word. It is Austrailian apparently. I had to look it up. I actually agree with him. Psychics are spruikers.

I was sure he made the word up.

Bill

Curious wrote:

it relates to what Clara Baron had said about her being abducted by a young man in his late 20's early 30's

Curious, like I said you and anyone else here is free to spend their time doing anything they want. But, Lets look at what he says. First, plenty of people including me believe it is entirely possible that Maura was abducted. If you believe that then who would be the likely culprit. A woman? Probably not. A 80 year old very lonely man. Again, probably not. A 16 year old boy leaving with his parents. No, that probably won’t work either. How ‘bout a 20 to 30 year old male. You know, the ones responsible for most of the abductions of young women and much of the violent crime. Hmmmm. He may be on to something there. I mean he isn’t even saying the suspect is white. Hell I’m going to make a prediction right here right now also. I predict that if it was a male 20 to 30 years old and Maura was actually kidnapped that it was a WHITE male that did it. Now I don’t make a lot of predictions so if we find out that this is true I am going to start a website and go into business myself. How many people are going to remember when I said this or is going to research the times and dates to see when it was said and more importantly how much BS I said that was wrong. Psychics and fellow travelers seem to work only because they appeal to some people who desperately want them to work. Sometimes only because of nothing else to hold onto. Again, that’s why they draw such contempt from me. They prey on the weakest and most vulnerable.

As far as the belief stuff. There are people that also believe in unicorns and fairies as well. Until I am eating unicorn steak or I have been thwacked in the head with a magic wand consider me unconvinced.

I think I have said my piece on this so feel free to go at it with the psychic stuff. I’ll just listen now.

Bill

Hello all,

Speaking of the subjects of psychics my personal opinion, based on my very personal experiences, is that there is indeed a very small number of exceptionally gifted psychics, whose mental powers are indeed amazing.
I personally know such a person and I can assure you all that I´m absolutely convinced of his truly remarkable gifts in this respect.

That being said, most self-proclaimed psychics are, in my view, nothing of the sort whatsoever.
The problem here is that with so many "false prophets" around and often equipped with a capacity for marketing themselves very cleverly, the relatively few truly gifted, real mediums and psychics find themselves in a difficult position.
Since there are no "licensed/authorised " mediums and psychics, how are people to know the difference between the many "fakes" and the few genuine ones?

As for "Brian´s Predictions", as mentioned by Curious in his recent post, it is my impression that he is referring to a military officer of some kind, rather than a LE officer.
I believe he´s mentioning a kind of eagle on a uniform, which could be a reference to the American eagle on the uniforms of the US military.
West Point, perhaps?

For whatever it´s worth?