Where is MAURA MURRAY

I'm not a wholesale believer either in "psychics" as such, but I've had experience with a couple over the years who were very accurate -- one in particular who sadly has passed on. I was extremely careful to not give away any "clues" that could be picked up by cold reading in any case (and one of the consultations was by phone, so my expressions and body language could not have been read and the information given back to me was quite specific, could not have been guesswork).

That's just a general comment. But further to Carla Baron's prediction re what happened to Maura, I agree with WTF's elaboration. In addition, she apparently claimed that this individual buried Maura's body -- which prompts my question: The ground in that area would have been frozen in February ... can anyone talk about "how frozen is frozen"? Meaning, how easy would it be to dig with a shovel? I'm thinking a backhoe might be able to dig, but I'm not too sure even about that.

FireCat wrote:

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The phone could not make outbound calls, from what I recall. Someone confirm?

Correct. As far as backing this up, I'm pretty positive it was from Mayotte who was MM's supervisor who walked her back to her room. One of her postings on either the first or second forum.

I have those postings but not readily at hand.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Looking4amoose,
The NHSP would not comment on Maura's case for a number of years and did not communicate with Fred during this timeframe as well.
If you go over to the actual 20/20 site there are comments from an actual reporter who has covered Maura's case regarding this very subject.
Last Fall - October '07'- the Manchester Union Leader came out with an article about Maura.
Although the article did mention that NHSP are treating Maura's as a homicide investigation the focus seemed to be more on Maura's drinking habits more than anything. The Squaw Walk comment was also noted in this article also.
I, personally, felt that my intelligence was being insulted after I read the article and I felt that the 'squaw walk' comment was an insult to Fred also.
In the Fall of '07' I wrote a blog on Mypsace titled 'Pandora's Box' out of frustration after that UL article was published. It was about Maura and the numbers of other missing persons and unsolved homicides in NH/VT.
In the course of 24 hours that blog received well over 250 hits. I was startled by this so I shut the blog down and began googling certain words I used in the blog. I'm leaving it at that.
I don't have an Agenda or a hidden Agenda and I've actually begun questioning the people who tend to bring this up repeatedly.

I found the article..... Here's the quote I am referring to:

"When police assembled the Murray and Rausch families to brief them on the investigation, Maura's father "moaned and rubbed his head and said,�Oh, no,' " according to Sharon Rausch, the mother of Billy Rausch, Maura's then-boyfriend.
"I remember Fred said,�I always have told the kids when I got old and worthless I was going to climb my favorite mountain with a bottle of Jack Daniels and drink myself to death.' That was emotional. He thought what if there was something he didn't know about," Rausch said."

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx...

The article goes on to talk about the alcohol she bought as being what was considered to be about a weeks worth of mudslides for Maura. Sharon described it as that--not the police, not the newspaper. Sharon reported she draink irish cream in her coffe, Sharon reported she had Mike's hard lemonade with lunch.....if Sharon really didn't report those things, she should be slapping the newspaper with a lawsuit.

RE: the note that was allegedly found in Maura's room

This is copied from Websleuths, and as such is not the primary source, but there is a press release floating around out there somewhere in the universe that will confirm this as fact. This is posted by Peabody and will hopefully clear up both WHO was in the room when it was searched, and WHAT was and wasn't found:

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"It is a FACT that Maura did not leave a note for her boyfriend in her dorm room or in any other place.

LT. Scarinza in his remarks ***First**** said there was a note and alluded to the fact that the note was a suicide note. Because UMass Police told the family they found no note and the boyfriend was in the room and found no such note, the family insisted that the content of any such note be shared with them IF such a note was in existence. AFTER ***much*** insistence that he correct this error, and the boyfriend's mother publicly stating that Lt. Scarinza was a "liar" in the Caledonian Express in July 04, Lt. Scarinza posted a press release on the internet (which has conveniently been removed for some time) saying "I meant to say that there was a note from the boyfriend to Maura." He did not address the issue of his insinuation that it was a suicide note.

The boyfriend said all along that the only notes in Maura's room were notes and letters FROM him to her that were dated over the several years during their relationship.

FYI: For those of you new to this forum, I am a close friend of the family, and have been helping them since first learning of Maura's missing."

(From Pebody on Websleuths)

Who was the first person in the room? Somewhre, I odn't remember where, it implied that a friend of Maura's was in the room prior to Billy. Philip--I think you might have some information on this.

Lets say Maura was heading back, going West now, having turned around for being lost, what have you..........someone was behind her, no matter really 'who' in my thoughts here.
Maura is driving *back* toward the store and just as she gets to the edge of curve at the Weathered Barn, she is rammed front end, drivers side and pushed back and down into *ditch*
The accelerating is from a car heading East and the thud is from Maura's car being pushed back?
From there a story is made up as to who's driving hense the 'thought Fred driving','Maura" driving?
75% chance of a prosecution? They know who was there and because Maura has not shown up, they must wait to find her?

hi all .it was reported that Kathllen Murray was in Mauras 'apartment' on tuesday feb10 04 ,form where she called mrMurray to let him know about Maura missing.also it was reported that the family asked umass pd to check Mauras room around 6.30 pm on feb10 04.option c is Billy was asked to 'inspect' Mauras roomd by or with umass pd, i think on feb 12 or 13.my thought is that as soon as i found out a family member is missing i am heading to her room.take care philip

hi all i am still pondering at what time Mauras car actually arrived where it was found.we dont know that the noises that the Westmans heard was Mauras car arriving at the place it was found.it could have been there for any amount of time before they saw it.according to a witness it was there at around 7.12 .with sgtSmiths vehicle but no sign of people.this witness passed the scene and continued east down rt 112 and i assume did not see anyone on foot.the tire marks noted on the accident report are also are interesting.it is hard to know how far they were from the saturn and how hard they would have been to see .the call from the Westmans to 911 is on record. the arrival of FD and EMS can also be verified.the rest is a curious 35 minute mess.take care philip

To clarify,

There are psychics, mediums, and remote viewers. They are three very different things.

I am talking about Remote Viewing. Everyone seems to be referencing phsychics.

It's a touchy subject but the simple truth is that every human being with grey matter between his/her ears can be trained on some level.

I'm thankful to the goodhearted souls whom are trained/certified in remote viewing to aid the families of the missing and law enforcement.

"As for "Brian´s Predictions", as mentioned by Curious in his recent post, it is my impression that he is referring to a military officer of some kind, rather than a LE officer.
I believe he´s mentioning a kind of eagle on a uniform, which could be a reference to the American eagle on the uniforms of the US military.
West Point, perhaps?
For whatever it´s worth?"

Euro,

Over the past four years I've seen the eagle isignia on D.O.C uniforms.

Interestingly, there is a prison in that immediate area.

looking4amoose,

You must not have been an active member on Maura's forum when that Oct. 07 Union Leader Article was published.

Many who care about Maura and her family could not bring themselves to read it.

Thanks for the quotes just the same.

Elsewherebriefly- now that I reread "Brians Predictions" I agree...I think he did mean a military officer or even someone linked to a prison. I just think its interesting especially the pictures, I wish I could make them out more clearly. I just think there my be a possible link between Baron's "remote viewing" of the case and Brian's predictions. I know Baron's predictions are vague and probably mean nothing but I think it is a more probable scenario that she was abducted that night...especially in that area. I doubt she ran away and if she did decide to take some time for herself she would of came home by now. She ran into the wrong person and the wrong time.

I just wish we knew her state of mind. I don't know. It's dark, cold, she just got into an accident, her car is off the road, and there are no lights. Now, I know she didn't want help from Atwood and I understand why. I just don't understand why she didn't go up to a house with lights on or with toys in the yard...I mean it would make more sense to ring the door bell because more than likely more than 1 person would be home and she is less likely to be in danger. She could tell them that her car got stuck in a ditch and she needed to call AAA or something. I know she didn't want the police involved because she might of been drinking and because she was involved in an accident they would of contacted her dad since his name is on the registration.

Instead, she decides to go walk/run down the road...to do what? I mean where did she think she was going? Back to the store?

She most likely bumped her head either in that accident or if she had one earlier so maybe she wasn't thinking straight..but why leave the scene of the accident to go walking down a pitched dark street in 10 degree weather...Atwood said she appeared to be shivering when he saw her. She was so cold, so why not try and get yourself help?

Pieces don't add up. She had reasons why she neglected help-we just don't know what those reasons are.

Before Silky died she and I had a conversation about the fact that she saw a man standing a Maura's "ribbon tree" in the rain wearing a military type raincoat.

We also had several discussions about physchic phenomena, premonitions, drawings etc, and their usefulsness in Maura's case up to that point. For whatever reason we were compelled to include in our discussions the idea to implement different planes, altitude etc and numbers in the search for Maura. Although neither of us fell under any phsychic search pattern foo-foo, 44 was a number we sometimes based our discussions on.
For example: Lady Gray wrote the number "four" instead of "fore"( no, offense LG but this would not have gone unnoticed by Silky) in post 4468. Silky might have used that combination of numbers in some manner. We felt more comfortable calling these things "breadcrumbs",(like the commercials on the 20/20 program).....

Now, with those "predictions" the man could of been a military officer, a prisoner...he seems to think it might of been a state police officer or maybe it was someone posing as a police officer?

"Thanks, will post this...very interesting...as I actually think the people that are trying to find her, are the ones that know what happened to her. I also think the drawing above is a picture of a state police officer...For the family's case, I hope I'm wrong on this." -This is from Brian's website

AND of course Maura would accepted help from a police officer or military officer...more likely a military officer since she told Atwood she didn't want him calling the police for whatever reasons-maybe because she had alcohol (open container)/ or was drinking while driving...but like anyone she probably would of received help from a man dressed like a military officer. They are supposed to represent a sense of security and help...

Advocator wrote:

-- which prompts my question: The ground in that area would have been frozen in February ... can anyone talk about "how frozen is frozen"? Meaning, how easy would it be to dig with a shovel? I'm thinking a backhoe might be able to dig, but I'm not too sure even about that.

The ground isn't necessarily frozen in all places during winter.

Depending on the amount of moisture in the soil the ground would have probably been like concrete to a considerable depth. There is a lot of moisture in the soil in that area I suspect. Near rivers and lakes and the soil type holds a lot of that water.

Bill

Okay another post on a suspicious subject?...I just have another detail to add. He said something about her being at a Lake Tar---well I just did some searching on a map and there is a Lake Tarelton about 20-30 mins from where she was abducted.

If you look on a map and find rt 112- you can either go east on 113, pick up 118 to rt 25 C (Lake Tarelton Road) or you can take rt 112 west to rt 10 down to rt 25 and then to rt 25 C..The lake is literally straight south from 112 where she was picked up...if that's what happened..just found that interesting. Its not always the case that a perpetrator dumps a body within 5-10 mile radius of where they had abducted the person.

Could it be possible that the search should continue outside that 5-10 mile radius maybe to find some clues to where she might be?

Curious wrote:

Could it be possible that the search should continue outside that 5-10 mile radius maybe to find some clues to where she might be?

Sure. Sounds like a reasonable idea. A 10 mile radius covers 314 square miles. A 20 mile radius covers 1257 square. How long do you think it might take to search that amount of area? Where to start?

Bill

WTF wrote:

Depending on the amount of moisture in the soil the ground would have probably been like concrete to a considerable depth. There is a lot of moisture in the soil in that area I suspect. Near rivers and lakes and the soil type holds a lot of that water.
Bill

It also depends on where the soil is and if it's exposed to an air temperature below 32 F.,e.g. under heated garages, porches, sheds, etc.

Yes I know it is a huge area- you don't have to be so negative/sarcastic about the idea I was just suggesting a possible link between Lake and what was said. Anyway, there is a 45 acre state park and the lake in itself id 314 acres- way too big to search. However, if you look on an ariel map or google earth you can see that there are some areas where someone might put a body. Now, no one has mentioned finding anything suspicious in the last 4 years. But it is a huge lake and a state park- for all we know she might be in the lake.

Just because it was 10 degree out that night does not mean the lake was frozen- the ground might be hard to dig a hole but it is possible. It doesn't need to be a big or deep hole- it serves as a covering ground

I would start on the side of the road where you can easily access the lake. Now, again, if you look on an ariel map you can see that there are some dirt roads off of Lake Tarleton Road (25C). There are two big ones I see that are in an H form across the lake. There are also 2 larger areas around the lake that is not covered in trees...its a flatter area. That could be a possibility too. There are areas that can be investigated.

Just to put it into perspective- If Maura was abducted, it was probably random (unless she was followed from someone at school which I find to be highly unlikely). So even if she was followed from a maybe a first accident before the 112 one, this person is a stranger. Now, if she was killed on the same night (and didn't call Billy on the 11th) the person who abducted her would want to get rid of the body fast. Its cold, February night so he probably didn't put the body too far away. If she was brought to the lake (a secluded area especially in the winter), there might be a few possibilities:

(1) Even if the lake was frozen or not, it would take too much time and energy to get her in the lake. He would have to take a boat out to a place deep enough to dispose of the body.

(2) He put her in a secluded area where not many people are going to go. Most people who go to a lake will stay on the sandy, beach side and around the picnic benches...there are probably several trails for hiking since it is a state park which means he may of taken a trail up to an area which was secluded enough to put a body. So maybe looking at a map of the trails would be a good idea?

(3) If the ground was not froze he could of buried her body- but again I dont think much time would of been put into this because of the weather conditions.

(4) He moved the body. Maybe he took her here and this is where everything happened and after the winter, when the snow melted, he took the body somewhere else. He might of felt that because too many people visit the state park and the lake that her body would be found soon.

These are only suggestions. However, everything has to be figured in. The time of day, the amount of the light, the weather, what kind of supplies he had with him. It all depends if he kidnapped her and killed her on the same day or kept her. Most likely something horrible happened around the time she was abducted and because NH is full of green forests and land its a tough area to search.