Where is MAURA MURRAY

Part 2 of the text from the "Forensic Astrology" web site:
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The next chart I draw up has a few small changes that tell a story. The chart ruler, Mercury is still in the fifth house, closely aligned with the Descendant ruler, Neptune. But they have now been joined there by the Sun, which indicates that they have been joined by a third person, probably a man. Pluto, the third house ruler, is at the nadir and disposed of by Jupiter, just crossing the Ascendant. I believe this configuration describes the accident. Jupiter is inconjunct to Neptune, so I think this was a scheme of some sort. From this chart, with the lack of violent aspects or planets in death houses, I believe Maura left of her own accord, for reasons she had already planned. I think she was involved with a man that no one knew about and this was the man she was with this day. And the third man was a friend who picked them up at the scene and sped them off to safety. The rag in the gas line was put there by Maura or her boyfriend in a plot to stage her death. But they were either interrupted or just unable to pull it off and left it just as it was.
Even moving the charts forward hour by hour I do not see any real changes that indicate violence or death. It looks like Maura was a willing partner in this ruse. At 8:30 pm the chart changes a bit and some new aspects come to light. Libra is now rising and Aries is falling. However, Venus and Mars are still in mutual reception from the eighth to the seventh houses, again emphasizing the romantic relationship that the first chart hinted at. The Venus square to Saturn shows how impatient Maura had become. She just could not wait any longer to "get on with her life" with her secret lover. She had a public boyfriend that everyone knew about and so it was never guessed that there was another man. But these charts show otherwise. Unless her public boyfriend was in on this, which would indicate that he helped her make an escape. Otherwise, another boyfriend, one indicated by Neptune and therefor probably hidden from everyone, was involved.
And then moving the charts even further through the night, I find that things don't change. At 9:30 pm I see that the fourth house ruler, Saturn, has now moved into the ninth. This means they had set up house somewhere outside of her college neighborhood. Saturn is in Cancer so this is the home she relocates to and it is probably somewhere near water, even if it's only a lake or a pond. Venus is still square Saturn so I am not sure she likes the home. But the ongoing mutual reception between Venus and Mars just keeps telling me that they are in love. She is entranced with their sexual relationship and this man is the kind of man she is most excited by. He is ruled by Mars so look for someone manly, bossy, controlling, domineering and sexually aggressive. Mars is in Taurus so look for body art like tattoos and a physical hobby like weightlifting or body building. Venus is in fall in Aries so she is determined to be with him in her rash impulsive romantic style but in a while she will find him argumentative and lazy. She is a girl whose fire flames fast and high but then goes out pretty fast. She will want out of this in the future so look for her to call home after a few years have gone by.

Oh, these space restictions...
Here is the final and third part of the text from the "Forensic Astrology" web site:
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The ongoing opposition from the Moon to Venus also points at rash impulsive actions that may later be regretted. This chart shows a fast and furious love affair that began quickly and unexpectedly. She was "swept off her feet". Then a few drinks and a plan to run off together. That's what I see here. I say she is still alive and well. And eventually she will come back home or at least contact somebody she cared about. Even if her family relations were strained there may be somebody back home that she wants to connect with. Look for her to do that sometime in 2009. I get that figure from the distance between Venus and Saturn, a sort of barometer for how long this situation will last. However, there is always a possibility that she attempted to leave earlier and was forced to stay against her will. There is no telling at this time how things turned out over the long period since the day she disappeared. I just have no signs in the immediate charts that she was either abducted, forced, killed or hurt in any way. Regardless of what her family thinks in this matter they must hold out hope that she is fine and will be found someday.
I do believe that Maura Murray is alive and there are people who care about her and would love to know that she is well. Please look at her picture and commit it to memory.

Thank you, Weeper, for your post about the good ole boys at the restaurant, perhaps more accurately referred to as a lounge, and less politely referred to by other identifiers (how many feet away from an elementary school is that place???)- of which many of us are aware.
Thank you for repeating, with specific information, what many of us have been saying for years now:
1) if we refer to anyone as 'scum' it is the perpetrators and those protecting them - if they exist. Period. No on else.
2) if local people have any concerns about their government, it is their reponsibility, their right, and their duty to do what they can to change it

How interesting that these simple statements of fact are interpreted (by the good ole boys in the...restaurant...perhaps?) as 'attacks.'

sophie bean wrote:

How interesting that these simple statements of fact are interpreted (by the good ole boys in the...restaurant...perhaps?) as 'attacks.'

Yep, you caught me. I'm one of the good ole boys that was laughing my a** off in the restaurant about the burning cottage or Maura’s disappearance. It couldn't just be the injustice of condemning an entire town’s citizenry was the reason. Sophie, do you see a conspiracy in everything you look at? It must be a terrible way to live. I don’t envy you.

I might add that this is the first time you have stated who you are talking about. In the past both you and Shack seemed to clearly accuse everyone in the town and you didn’t try to hide your disdain for the local citizenry. Wowzer wasn’t the only one that clearly interpreted it that way and it was talked about repeatedly on the MMM forum as I remember and at least some people left the forum because of it. I also clearly remember that it seemed as though whenever traffic on the MM forum was starting to die down Shack would kick that hornet’s nest by making the same accusations against the entire area again. It was crude, it was transparent what she was doing but it was a strategy that worked over and over again.

Bill

Shack wrote:

There is a different mind set up there..I really only notice when I get up there and then again when I return home...Hard to explain. Simple examples...everybody knows she had a child without being married,. OR she/he married a woman/man who had been divorced. OR He/she has een "foolin' around with....I do realize that some of the above is part of some people's lives....and I do realize that some things are NOT discussed but.but.lawd help ya if it is mentioned. Then I hear the words "HE got what he deserved..I saw his truck stay overnight at her house"....

Just catching up and wanted to comment on this. In my experience, this way of thinking is not uncommon in rural areas. I lived for a number of years in a small town in western Virginia, and the above is very typical of the way the locals thought. And if you were "from away" (meaning, your family had not lived there from before the Civil War), you were particularly regarded with suspicion. It was truly weird to me ... I was brought up out west where being open and friendly was a norm, but if I happened to smile and say "Hi" when passing a person on the sidewalk in this Virginia town, I'd find out later that the person said to someone else "Wonder what she meant by THAT?"
So, it isn't just the Haverhill area, for what that may be worth.

Eurobserver wrote:

Oh, these space restictions...
Here is the final and third part of the text from the "Forensic Astrology" web site

Eurobserver,
I think this is a very interesting article. Could I have the link for it? I mean it is a totally different perspective and a look at another possibility to her disappearance. I don't know who is judging your post as "nuts" but I think the article is very informative. I know Paris was interested to with Brian's predictions and his drawings so this is kind of the same. Thanks for posting it! If people believe in astronomy maybe it can put light on what happened.

I think it is important to put everything we have out there just in case it is right. You never know, maybe Maura will show up in the next 6 months

Forensic astrology .... hmmm, that's a new one! I'm curious about astrology, but I can't see how that would work -- picking an "event" so to speak. Seems to me that unless one had Maura's exact birth information (date, birth time to the precise minute, precise location, etc.), there is no way to correlate an "event" to relate to HER.

The liklihood of two events occuring is measured by multiplying the probablity of the two events. Example: If there is a 50% chance it will rain in Denver and a 25% chance it will rain in Las Vegas, then there is a 12.5% chance it will rain in both Denver and Las Vegas.

Obviously we can't assign a percentage to the likelihood of any of the following preconditions for a car staging, but I list below what had to happen for the end result proposed to be true:

We all agree that someone that had enough of a resemblance to Maura was in the car [According to Weeper this a maybe] while [According to multiple newspaper stories, it was her]

* Necessary Preconditions for a Maura-look-alike to be in Maura's car AND the car to have been moved from the site of the original scene:

Either

1a. A Maura-look-alike wanted to comit the crime alone and

Either
Ia. lived in the area the car was found
or
Ib. was willing to travel to the area the car was found
or

1b. A second perpetrator had to (or have done to by a Maura-look-alike) be :

I. Identified [Not likely]
II. Solicited [Reasonably Possible]
III. Participate in the crime [Teams are rare among serial killers, who are also rare]

and afterwards:

IV. All perpetrators were motivated to never reveal any information
[Very likely]

2. The following had to take place before the car arrived:

I. Fill the car up with gas (Car found with tank nearly full.)[Very likely]
II. Maura had to be in a position to be abducted. This means the car was stopped somehow.[Very likely]
III. Maura had to have been abducted [Assumed to be true in this scenario]
IV. The perpetrator(s) just happened to include a Maura-looke-alike [Not very likely]
V. The perpetrators had to have a place available to them where Maura was not likely to be rescued.[Very likely possible given size of forest]
VI. Maura had to have been taken to a place where Maura was not likely to be rescued.[Reasonably Possible]
VII. The perpetrators had to escape observation when they took Maura from public view to a place where she was not likely to be rescued.[Very likely]
VI. A Maura-look-alike had to be placed in the car [Not Very likely]

3. The following had to take place while moving the car:

Either
3a.[Conditioned upon 1a. being true] the the Maura-look-alike simultaneously moved the car and prevented Maura's escape.[Not Very likely]
or
3b.[Conditioned upon 1b. being true] the Maura-look-alike moved the car while the second perputrator acted to ensure Maura was unable to escape.[Reasonably Possible]


*A consideration of the effect the possible conditions the car after being found upon the above preconditions:

1. Fully Drivable - The car could have been moved any distance after the crime.[The only honest conclusion is that the car could have been damaged anywhere between Amhurst and where it was found]

2. Partially drivable for a limited distance - The car could have been moved a short distance after the crime.

3. Undriveable - If the car was undrivable:

Add to precondition 1:

1c. A third perpetrator had to (or have done to by a Maura-look-alike) be :

I. Identified [Not likely]
II. Solicited [Reasonably Possible]
III. Participate in the crime [Highly Unlikely - I have yet to hear about three serial killers teaming up together, and Serial killers are rare]

1d. Among the perpetrators - one of them had to own an object capable of towing the car
1e. The perpetrators had to anticipate towing the car, to be ready to tow it

Add to precondition 3:
3c. A third perpetrator had to tow the car
3d. The towing had to go undetected
3e. The third perpetrator had to escape undetected

No matter what the theory:

The car was found in a place that Maura was at least familiar with. The car arriving there is only likely if Maura (or someone that knew her), intended for her to go there]

Part 1

WTF wrote:

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I imagine if I did let people go through my yard. Maybe more than once. And yet people are still thinking they have a right to just trespass on my property anytime, you bet I would be more than a little miffed. I would be livid. I have taught my boys the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Those people that have seen Fred and possibly an entourage walk on their property over and over may have decided that Maura isn’t on their property. Why after searching did he keep coming back to the same area? Was he trying to project a presence instead of actually finding Maura? He will show them what a PIA he can be? To maybe somehow intimidate the locals into cooperating? These are questions. I don’t know the answers but if he was walking on my property over and over again I would politely warn him personally. If he did it after that I’d call the police also. I would also help him search anywhere he had permission to search. Every free minute I had, as long as he had areas to look at that I could search legally.
Bill

I don’t know what the post above was intended convey and I don’t know that Fred, with or without an ‘entourage’ walked on anybody’s property over and over, but the post above makes me sad.

If this is indeed the case, I can just feel the desperation. Perhaps because long, long ago, our little one left the yard and we couldn’t find her. Along with neighbors we searched for quite a while, going back and forth between the yards. Finally we found her in a basement stepdown in a yard we had already been through at least twice.

I would imagine that is also why the police performed a forth (or was it the fifth) search of the same area in July of 2004, though they had previously searched with dogs and helicopters. My daughter was only missing about 45 minutes. Maura has been missing how many months?

Weeper, ever the voice of reason. Thank you for putting things into perspective for some of us. The really disturbing aspect of the story you shared is that these people had no qualms about discussing these ‘issues’ so openly within hearing of a stranger.

Whatever Shack may or may not have said or anybody else for that matter, I can’t think of any posts more damning of the area and many people in it than OH MY’s and he/she claimed to be a local. I can only hope that some of the locals on here dropped a dime.

continued

Damn it. Others got to it before me. Some work got in the way. I'm still going to post it. Ben, very impressive, excellent. Unfortunately it can't hold a candle to......

Forensic astrology.

HAHAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

HAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I mean come on.

So if Maura is actually alive and hiding out this idiot will be taking credit for solving the case? He will list it as one of his accomplishments.

Ah yes. Mercury is in the house of Venus so people born under Sagittarius will be having kidney problems, possibly a stone will need to be passed.

Why did you go through so much effort to print that crap out? Just post a link so those with a propensity to gravitate to horse shit can just visit the site.

Seriously, how does this help? Don’t we already know that her being alive is a possibility? Just like her being dead? Wait, the other options are? Well at least we have all bases covered now. We have some Psychics’ saying she is dead and the forensic astrologer saying she is alive. I mean holy shit if the forensic astrologer says it, it’s like real science. I mean it has the term forensic in it.

I really need to know. Who buys into this crap and more importantly why? And if no one does than what is point of listing it as useful information?

Sorry, had to be said.

Bill

Part 2
Spent some time looking at the accident report…some observations:

*No indication that there were any tire marks in the street (only tire marks in the snow)

*No Traffic conrols…question for Weeper…wouldn’t a double yellow line qualify as a traffic control/no passing zone (probably neither here nor there, but a question)

*Additional Roadway Features…why a question mark…why not ‘none of the above’

*Road Alignment…another question mark…this one does seem to me to be important

*Road Surface Dry…seems this is also important since you would be more apt to have visible tire marks without snow or ice on the surface

*Apparent Pre-Accident Vehicle Action…following the roadway?????? Doesn’t seem right to me

Question…are these reports supposed to be what the officer witnessed or a combination of what witnesses observed along with the officer? Maybe I’m nitpicking here, but “a later search of the vehicle” could only conclude that Maura belongings were in the vehicle, not necessarily that she was driving.

Again with the nitpicking…if the box of wine was behind the driver’s seat and assuming that the red liquid in the bottle found in the street and on the ceiling of the car were from that wine box, it would seem to indicate that the bottle was filled when the vehicle was stopped and had enough in it to splash up on the ceiling of the car and still have some in it when it was found on the road (accident report says it was empty).

Of course that assumes that the bottle hadn’t been there before the accident (probably a reasonable assumption, but an assumption nonetheless).

I realize that there is no scale to the drawing, but it seems that where the car is indicated is much closer to SBD’s house than I would have thought from the pictures I’ve seen. In fact, if it was 500 feet from Bradley Hill Road, much closer and seemingly well beyond where one would have ended up after missing the curve.

Don’t know what all that about nodes means, but hopefully Weeper will explain, because it seems like it might be important.

Another question, unless tire impressions were taken that night could it be determined to any degree of certainty that they were in fact from Maura’s car or even from that night?

Also, there is clearly a difference between grasping at straws and reading goat entrails.

Bill

An article appearing on Feb 14th 2004 states the car was undriveable.

WTF wrote:

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I imagine if I did let people go through my yard. Maybe more than once. And yet people are still thinking they have a right to just trespass on my property anytime, you bet I would be more than a little miffed. I would be livid. I have taught my boys the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Those people that have seen Fred and possibly an entourage walk on their property over and over may have decided that Maura isn’t on their property. Why after searching did he keep coming back to the same area? Was he trying to project a presence instead of actually finding Maura? He will show them what a PIA he can be? To maybe somehow intimidate the locals into cooperating? These are questions. I don’t know the answers but if he was walking on my property over and over again I would politely warn him personally. If he did it after that I’d call the police also. I would also help him search anywhere he had permission to search. Every free minute I had, as long as he had areas to look at that I could search legally.
Bill

Ouch. Bill, I think if one of your sons were missing, you would find yourself in a similar situation.
And, I honestly cannot believe that you referred to the father of a missing woman a PIA. It means, pain in the _ss for those of you who might not know.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Ouch. Bill, I think if one of your sons were missing, you would find yourself in a similar situation.
And, I honestly cannot believe that you referred to the father of a missing woman a PIA. It means, pain in the _ss for those of you who might not know.

You would be incorrect. I have a low tolerance for stupidity. I would expect an area to be searched twice by competent people. More than that see my earlier reference to what I have taught my boys about same actions gaining different results. Him appearing and doing different searches with permission would be fine. Like I said. I would help. I am talking about him appearing with others and looking in areas without permission or expecting the permission to search private property to continue in perpetuity. If that was what he was doing. All IF's. I don't know the specifics. If that is what was happening I understand the comment.

Bill

WTF wrote:

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I imagine if I did let people go through my yard. Maybe more than once. And yet people are still thinking they have a right to just trespass on my property anytime, you bet I would be more than a little miffed. I would be livid. I have taught my boys the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Those people that have seen Fred and possibly an entourage walk on their property over and over may have decided that Maura isn’t on their property. Why after searching did he keep coming back to the same area? Was he trying to project a presence instead of actually finding Maura? He will show them what a PIA he can be? To maybe somehow intimidate the locals into cooperating? These are questions. I don’t know the answers but if he was walking on my property over and over again I would politely warn him personally. If he did it after that I’d call the police also. I would also help him search anywhere he had permission to search. Every free minute I had, as long as he had areas to look at that I could search legally.
Bill

and as for me, noone has EVER asked to search my property, yet I am within 1/2 mile from where the Saturn was found........that too, is disparraging

WTF wrote:

Also, there is clearly a difference between grasping at straws and reading goat entrails.
Bill

Bill, you certainly do liven up the party with your comments, I can't help but giggle a bit at your response to some of these posts. But as I said before, it is a public forum and everyone has the right to post. Though I may not put much faith in some of these ideas, they do make for some interesting reading. I will be posting some information soon about interviews the night Maura disappeared and about some of the things Jerry Fletcher mentioned referencing the Police Report. I want to think a bit more on this before posting because I know I'll get some questions I can't answer. I do have a question for you Bill, did we meet at the Mt. Lakes Search?

Respectfully,
Weeper

WTF wrote:

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You would be incorrect. I have a low tolerance for stupidity. I would expect an area to be searched twice by competent people. More than that see my earlier reference to what I have taught my boys about same actions gaining different results. Him appearing and doing different searches with permission would be fine. Like I said. I would help. I am talking about him appearing with others and looking in areas without permission or expecting the permission to search private property to continue in perpetuity. If that was what he was doing. All IF's. I don't know the specifics. If that is what was happening I understand the comment.
Bill

AT LEAST twice....considering that if Maura was alive, and possibly injured, she might be mobile. If she wasn't alive, evidence might be moved, by perpetrators or (god forbid) wildlife.

Lord knows I spend a lot of time looking for stuff that's right in front of my face, but I can't see it.

Hi Euro and Curious, I saw that forensic astrology page a few days back, forgot the search terms....
I tried to see what she saw when drawing her lines, but I have no idea, never heard of this before. She seems to be an average Joe, didn't look like this was for any outfit, just her very own passion. I considered posting it too but expected some resistance to this (new)? concept of hers.
I've seen computer autopsies and know how they work, but have no idea what to make of the astrological findings. My sister wanted her palm read at a bar once. It was her birthday or I would not have gone there. The guy was so dead center on her reading, that I broke down and asked for mine. He was able to predict a stalker, my accident, the moving away from the city to a blue house and that one of my children would become sick and die. Only Steve did not die, he was just born at the time. Actually, now that I think of it, he was born the 23rd of that month.
I think these things are best left alone although I must confess I am intrigued by the supernatural.

Advocate or anyone who can post a link to your/her page again, I'd appreciate it. I'm planning for a trip and don't have time to look it up just now, thanks.