Where is MAURA MURRAY

Well, with bank ATM surveillance, they are not rewritten either, not for a good month. But the ATM, was it in the liquor store or at/in a bank?
Someone, please, did it show Maura driving or on foot? Either way, the family needs to see that and take note of her composure. She may have started out blank, trying for more than 300 and then being allowed to take 280. How many tries for cash? Same thing if she checked her balances, went right for 280 and looked like just another day, that would help too in deciding her composure.
If this video is in police possession, what harm could it do to show a family member? Detectives saw it, well big deal, that ranks second to someone who actually knows Maura.

Eurobserver wrote:

Paris & all,
I´m wondering whether Maura may have left Amherst on her own, but stopped to pick up some other person along the way to NH.
I´m still thinking about the presumed man smoking a cigarrette in/by the Saturn at the Weathered Barn curve, as apparently witnessed by Mr W-n across the road.
In this context, I know that I read somewhere that one of the rear windows of the Saturn was slightly open despite the cold.
We know that Maura hated cigarrette fumes, so could this be because she had a passenger in the car who was actually a smoker?

I've thought about that. Picking someone up, doing them a favor, driving them somewhere but who? And if a fellow student or friend, what a crumb bum for not speaking up about it. It usually goes to solo in my mind because she brought her nursing books. Was she going to have a rendezvous? Probably not, she just came back from running day and night over holiday. Life begins to blur at times and a few days off and alone would help. That is unless she was told she better do this and that or else, something hanging over her head. But they wouldn't be with her at the weathered barn....or would they? Witness gave up on what she saw, a man. A man and a man smoking, maybe she was told to or just got sick of people telling her it was a cell charger, no cigarette. Never mind that the car was facing them and the dash with a charger glowing would not likely be visible to them. Does anyone think this is Maura, sitting in the passenger seat when Butch leaves......going around her car to do a Garfield in the litter box? And then what? Reach down and stuff a nice clean rag in a HOT tailpipe after talking to a big guy you're afraid of? Waste time like that when you're going to bail? Sit on the phone like you're connected to the wall? When Maura checked her messages, she likely had it on charge the whole trip.
Rambling here....getting ticked because if there was a first accident it should have been included so we could make sense here. What if Maura did leave in a private vehicle and police tried to find it all night. What if they said they thought it was Fred driving because in all the confusion there really is a man in this equation somewhere?!

Benjamin Franklin writes: "I thought of something else that is possible. What if the same Maura-look-alike was actually the person that visited the ATM and bought all of the liquor."

No! They put kleetchers in Maura's ears to make her do these things.

The first news of this stands out in my mind. They said college student Maura Murray had ultimately slammed into a snowbank and her car was stuck. The car was partly in the road. My newscasters here in MN. There was a bus driver coming home after a long day, who barely saw her disabled car, it was so dark and came to her rescue. She didn't want help, already had help coming. So he drove his bus back home where he lived up the road. They reported the orange pealing woman who stopped looking when she saw her neighbor with "the girl" That was it. They said she may have been drinking and has not been seen since.
Then Brianna, same thing, reported as stuck in the snow, backed in,........something like that.
Then there's a news flash months later, voila, the "girl" was seen after all running along the road. I thought, yeah, bunk. You see someone in the winters darkness and don't stop or call for help? What is there anyway 5 miles from the weathered barn where Maura was supposedly seen? Houses, stores, is it common to see people on foot there, so much so that you just drive by like dashing and prancing and avoiding detection is no big deal?

Hello all,

So, not it would appear that there is only a liquor receipt supposedly found in the Saturn which links Maura indirectly to the alcohol found in her car.
Nobody can apparently say for sure whether it was Maura or not who made the purchase of the alcohol.
This is just getting stranger and stranger, adding riddle to riddle...

Another thing:
If Maura had been back to Amherst from her Christmas/New Year break for just 7-10 days when she set off for NH, that narrow time space would in itself mean what?

Well, it would seem that Maura spent most of her long break with her family and with Billy R. and his family. Everything, as far as we know, seems to have been pretty much normal.

So, IF (and I repeat IF) Maura did indeed meet a man (a "secret boyfriend"), it must have happened awfully quickly and in a sudden snap in those 7-10 days between her return to Amherst and her sudden journey north on 9th February.

I agree that tt would seem like an unlikely thing to happen in such a narrow time span, but it cannot by any means be conclusively ruled out.

It is possible that Maura MIGHT have met a man while out at a bar in Amherst and that she MIGHT have fallen completely under the spell of this guy, doing things which she normally would not dream of doing in a way which affected her normally sound judgment of things.

It would seem to me highly unlikely that Maura would have suddenly set off for NH without telling her nearest and dearest without there being a highly compelling reason for behaving in such a way.

I personally don´t think that a "secret boyfriend" as such would have been reason enough to do such a thing.

BUT: IF Maura had lent her Saturn for such a theoretical "secret boyfriend" to use (since she apparently didn´t drive it around herself even in Amherst)and the "secret boyfriend" then was the one responsible for the Petrit Vasi hit-and-run....

Such a scenario would have changed everything in a drastic way for Maura. Let´s remember that Petrit Vasi´s condition remained extremely serious for several weeks and that he actually could have died at any moment.
If a theoretical "secret boyfriend" of Maura´s had been driving the Saturn, legally Fred Murray´s car, the repercussions might well have been cataclysmic for Maura.

Hello again,

The first words of my latest post should, of course, read:

"So NOW it would appear..."

Sorry about that - in too much of a hurry, as always...

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello all,
So, not it would appear that there is only a liquor receipt supposedly found in the Saturn which links Maura indirectly to the alcohol found in her car.
Nobody can apparently say for sure whether it was Maura or not who made the purchase of the alcohol.
This is just getting stranger and stranger, adding riddle to riddle...
Another thing:
If Maura had been back to Amherst from her Christmas/New Year break for just 7-10 days when she set off for NH, that narrow time space would in itself mean what?
Well, it would seem that Maura spent most of her long break with her family and with Billy R. and his family. Everything, as far as we know, seems to have been pretty much normal.
So, IF (and I repeat IF) Maura did indeed meet a man (a "secret boyfriend"), it must have happened awfully quickly and in a sudden snap in those 7-10 days between her return to Amherst and her sudden journey north on 9th February.
I agree that tt would seem like an unlikely thing to happen in such a narrow time span, but it cannot by any means be conclusively ruled out.
It is possible that Maura MIGHT have met a man while out at a bar in Amherst and that she MIGHT have fallen completely under the spell of this guy, doing things which she normally would not dream of doing in a way which affected her normally sound judgment of things.
It would seem to me highly unlikely that Maura would have suddenly set off for NH without telling her nearest and dearest without there being a highly compelling reason for behaving in such a way.
I personally don´t think that a "secret boyfriend" as such would have been reason enough to do such a thing.
BUT: IF Maura had lent her Saturn for such a theoretical "secret boyfriend" to use (since she apparently didn´t drive it around herself even in Amherst)and the "secret boyfriend" then was the one responsible for the Petrit Vasi hit-and-run....
Such a scenario would have changed everything in a drastic way for Maura. Let´s remember that Petrit Vasi´s condition remained extremely serious for several weeks and that he actually could have died at any moment.
If a theoretical "secret boyfriend" of Maura´s had been driving the Saturn, legally Fred Murray´s car, the repercussions might well have been cataclysmic for Maura.

Well, Euro..
You are vigorously selling this "secret boyfriend" theory. This vision must come directly from a romance novel...or the moon and the stars?
I ask, then, where will you find this person? Who will name him? Is the info. forthcoming? Or is this merely an exercise in "what if"?
Oh, the absurdity of it all. As such, I am merely entitled to offer my opinion.

Here's the bit, haha, I love that expression.
Wouldn't you think the police investigated Petrit's hit and run, looking at vehicles on and off campus? And once hearing about Maura's disappearance, well wouldn't they investigate the car to see if there was a connection? Call me silly but connecting dots is what police do.

Dear fellow posters,

Is there anybody here who lives within a reasonable distance of West Thornton, NH?
I have already mentioned this in a previous post recently, so won´t be repeating myself here.

I know this is a long shot, but what is there to lose?

I was thinking of Mirror Lake, West Thornton, and what on Google Map´s satellite pictures appears to be a number of houses or cabins nearby and on parts of the lake shore itself.
It´s quite difficult to make this out clearly just by looking at the satellite photos, but it certainly looks like houses/cabins.

West Thornton, "Hubbard" as in Hubbard Brook Road nearby, and a lake/pond - I explained that particular combination in my previous post.

What if Maura (and possibly someone being with her) went to stay in a house or cabin by Mirror Lake for a while after the Saturn came to a stop in Swiftwater.

What if at least part of the purpose of Maura´s trip north was to dispose of the Saturn somewhere in the White Mountains National Forest between Swiftwater and Lincoln?

If a theoretical friend of hers was the one hitting Petrit Vasi, and the Saturn as an incriminating piece of evidence needed to be ditched somewhere, what better place than the wilderness off Rte 112 between Swiftwater and Lincoln?

Such a plan would of course have required a back-up vehicle, perhaps the red truck seen by witness RO in Swiftwater village?

West Thornton would be only a short drive south on the I-93 from the Rte 112/Kancamagus Highway exit at Lincoln/North Woodstock.

Now, please, don´t shoot the messenger for presenting what to some of you may seem like an outrageous theory.
Perhaps it is, but if we do not allow ourselves to think outside the conventionally approved box, this forum would pretty soon become altogether staid.

IMHO.

Anyone know if Muara was in the habit, especially on long trips, of picking up hitchhikers? Was it something she never did, something she might do once in a while?

Bill

Hello all,

Whatever way one looks at it and even if my theory would prove to be correct, Maura would likely be a victim of vicious circumstances than anything else.

IF she had lent her car for a friend to use, that person could have been applying enormous emotional pressure and outright threats for Maura to go along with a scheme to do away with the Saturn.
In such a situation Maura may well have felt that she had no real choice but play along with such a plan, however reluctantly.

Eurobserver wrote:

What if at least part of the purpose of Maura´s trip north was to dispose of the Saturn somewhere in the White Mountains National Forest between Swiftwater and Lincoln?

Euro,

I have not problem with what you are saying except what does "dispose of" mean. The car wouldn't disappear. The car has the VIN number embedded in the frame and engine block so I don't know how your theory would help someone. The vehicle would easily be traced even if it was light on fire and found years later. Investigating agencies would know exactly who it belonged to.

And if you were trying to hide a vehicle I know many quarries near where I live to hide them better then the woods. I am sure with a little research there are better locations within 10 miles of where Maura was to hide it better also.

I have no problem with what you are saying, I just don’t understand the thinking.

Bill

But wouldn't it be better to pay someone to steal your car while you sit pretty and report it missing?
Maura was pretty smart, why drive the car herself unless it was to keep an idea of hitting someone, to herself?

paris wrote:

But wouldn't it be better to pay someone to steal your car while you sit pretty and report it missing?
Maura was pretty smart, why drive the car herself unless it was to keep an idea of hitting someone, to herself?

I agree. I have nothing against what Euro is selling but there are just so many better and less painful ways to do it if that was really what she was trying to do. Since it isn't being done in a more reasonable fashion. In a manner that I believe Maura would probably do it. I can only conclude that isn't what Maura was trying to do.

Bill

paris & WTF,

With all due respect:

If you pay someone to steal your car, that obviously means involving a third party in the scheme.
Involving a third party to do your own "dirty work" for you would inevitably mean a great risk of being blackmailed at some point.

And just another observation:

It would seem that we have got ourselves a self-appointed moderator here on board with a penchant for censorship.

For me as a journalist this is not just an irksome and irritating phenomenon.
Anybody setting himself/herself up as a self-proclaimed guardian of the contents of this forum is an affront to the principle of free speach.

We are all friends of Maura here. We want nothing more than finding Maura, hopefully safe and sound.
That is my constant prayer every day.
Whatever happened, Maura is in my mind a victim of some atrocious circumstances over which she had no or very little control.

I hope I make myself absolutely clear on that point and that this message makes itself heard all the way to our self-appointed censor on board.

Thank you!

Eurobserver wrote:

If you pay someone to steal your car, that obviously means involving a third party in the scheme.
Involving a third party to do your own "dirty work" for you would inevitably mean a great risk of being blackmailed at some point.

Wouldn’t she need someone to follow her to get her away from the middle of nowhere where she gets rid of her car? Or was she going to run all the way back to Mass? ;)

I don’t know who you are accusing of moderating the site. Did someone tell you that you were not allowed to post something?

Bill

Eurobserver wrote:

So, IF (and I repeat IF) Maura did indeed meet a man (a "secret boyfriend"), it must have happened awfully quickly and in a sudden snap in those 7-10 days between her return to Amherst and her sudden journey north on 9th February.
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It is possible that Maura MIGHT have met a man while out at a bar in Amherst and that she MIGHT have fallen completely under the spell of this guy, doing things which she normally would not dream of doing in a way which affected her normally sound judgment of things.

It would seem to me highly unlikely that Maura would have suddenly set off for NH without telling her nearest and dearest without there being a highly compelling reason for behaving in such a way.
I personally don´t think that a "secret boyfriend" as such would have been reason enough to do such a thing.
BUT: IF Maura had lent her Saturn for such a theoretical "secret boyfriend" to use (since she apparently didn´t drive it around herself even in Amherst)and the "secret boyfriend" then was the one responsible for the Petrit Vasi hit-and-run....

Euro,
If you care to help me understand whether the "secret boyfriend" theory is based on your posts at #4795,#4796 and #4797, I will then attempt to personally comprehend, and then either accept or reject the subsequent references that have been put forth and expanded upon.
I am having a difficult time following this line of reasoning, unless the theory is in some way substantiated by fact.
Thank you.
Thank you.

WTF wrote:

Anyone know if Muara was in the habit, especially on long trips, of picking up hitchhikers? Was it something she never did, something she might do once in a while?
Bill

I happen to find this possibility very interesting.

hi all .was anything more heard on the earlier call other then driver left in private vehicle.who called it in to 911 and where is it in the log.does that mean that the vehicle was still sitting there.again sgt Smiths vehicle was seen at the saturn across from the Westmans at 7.12 pm.the red light was not from the charger it was from the phone.what is on the 04 179 OF[the missing pages] page of the accident report.where is the rest of the reports from ems fd for that night.take care philip

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> Intersting.....there was mention somewhere that Maura wanted to be a PA (physican's assistant) Typically, you don't become an RN (registered nurse) prior to becoming a PA, as it is a different focus alltogethere. Usually and RN goes onto become either a CNS (clinical nurse specialist) or an NP (nurse practioner) but not usually a PA.

Really? Didn't know that. Also, is UMass an RN program--and was Maura in the RN program? Or was it an LPN/BSN program.

The reason I ask this is because, for instance, in NJ if you want to be a midwife, you must be a CNM (certified nurse midwife)which means you need a nursing degree. I forget whether it's an RN or an LPN--I think it's the former.

Also not sure how it relates to Maura's disappearance....but I don't know that it doesn't, either.

Anyway, are the PA schooling requirements different in different states, the way midwifery is? And what kind of nursing program was Maura in?