Where is MAURA MURRAY

Paris & all,

I´m wondering whether Maura may have left Amherst on her own, but stopped to pick up some other person along the way to NH.

I´m still thinking about the presumed man smoking a cigarrette in/by the Saturn at the Weathered Barn curve, as apparently witnessed by Mr W-n across the road.

In this context, I know that I read somewhere that one of the rear windows of the Saturn was slightly open despite the cold.
We know that Maura hated cigarrette fumes, so could this be because she had a passenger in the car who was actually a smoker?

I thought of something else that is possible. What if the same Maura-look-alike was actually the person that visited the ATM and bought all of the liquor.

Now looking at the timeline at Wikipedia - that changes things. If it wasn't really her at the ATM or liquor store - then I see as reasonable any action taken after she talked to her Dad after 11:26 PM could have been done by an abductor starting with "Maura searches for directions to Burlington, Vermont."

To test this theory though - do we know if any directions to Vermont were in her handwriting? Was the computer checked for fingerprints?

Also on the above - the book - Without Peril possibly being in the sight of an abductor and some questioning / coaxing to get both her history of having been there before and to get a PIN number out of her - an abductor would habe all the information necessary to create the confusion this has become, by taking the car to where it was found.

Thiefs usually drain bank accounts to zero.

Positive ID of Maura at the liquor store. Who better to do so than a family member?

I have always figured Maura just stewed for awhile and on a whim decided she just had to go think or as I've said, was being blackmailed or something into going somewhere. Scary thought, she should have made note somewhere.

There was this program last week where a man and wife took a man from a parking lot. He got in the car willingly and as planned the husband attacked him. He then made his wife drive the car back to the same parking lot where they stuck him in the trunk. It gets worse but the idea is the pounced on an unsuspecting person. Also too is the partners in crime thing. Elsewhere, your links were very interesting in that one of them has quite the collection of info on "couples" who kill.

paris wrote:

Positive ID of Maura at the liquor store. Who better to do so than a family member? <text deleted>

Oh oh......wait a minute. This is what I posted:

"Family was not given opportunity to view the tape."

Tape was viewed by Univ of Mass detectives.

Hey Lady Gray ;-)
I understood and thought about this most of the day. I wish they could be convinced to show the tape to a family member is what I was meaning to say.

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

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I'm going to confess that this is a topic I do not like. I'll apologize in advance for getting angry if this topic continues without presenting evidence that she avoided an abuser like the plague. Without that evidence - I think this topic is not one that should be persued.
So, I'm only going to say why I think family abuse is very unlikely, and then never address the question again - its just too much.
If abuse were taking place - she would have most likely stopped talking to her family a lot earlier. Considering her Dad's recent visit - several pictures of Maura happy with her family - she'd have no reason to stay in toch after going to West Point (3?) years earlier.
But the kicker is that she wasn't living at home anymore for the most part. All she had to do was avoid her dad if he showed up. That would have been sufficient. She could have not told her dad she transfered to Umass - I think her Mom would keep it quiet if it were that sirious.
For these reasons - I consider this possibility unlikely in the extreme - so much that better judgement calls for the topic to cease.

Its quite possible that she had only just started remembering the abuse. With PTSD, there is something that triggers the memory--after having put it into the subconcious to protect ones own self/ego. It could be an uncle, a family friend, anyone.........I'm not saying it was the father was abusing her.......I'm saying its a possibility that she left to avoid having to ever deal with the person again.

paris wrote:

Hey Lady Gray ;-)
I understood and thought about this most of the day. I wish they could be convinced to show the tape to a family member is what I was meaning to say.

I agree. I mean, why WOULDN'T they show it to family as confirmation? Who even knows if it still exists. Businesses tend to tape over; hopefully, they realized how important it could be and saved it.

Here is a question for locals. If you were on scene at the location of the vehicle where it came to rest on 112 and you have to get to Lime Kiln Road off of 25, what route would you take?

And keep in mind a route that would get you there in the most timely manner.

paris wrote:

Always giving her all to what she did, maybe she wanted to change schools?

Intersting.....there was mention somewhere that Maura wanted to be a PA (physican's assistant) Typically, you don't become an RN (registered nurse) prior to becoming a PA, as it is a different focus alltogethere. Usually and RN goes onto become either a CNS (clinical nurse specialist) or an NP (nurse practioner) but not usually a PA.

whiston wrote:

hi all.Mauras' last race for umass was in april of 02.almost 2 years bfore she vanished .if anyone has a more recent race result please can you post.where she got her oil changed would show mileage etc and where it was done.did she get something in the mail or email from a ski resort on feb 09 2004 or prior i dont know but i think it is worth considering.i am still assuming that Mauras class schedule and the gallery she worked at and where she took her clinicals has not been made public for a reason i dont know.which brings me back to Amherst and Mauras prior life which is where she was when she maybe decided to leave.we should by now know a thousand things about Mauras prior life ,as in many other cases but i think we know about 6.why it is deemed private and off limits by some i really dont know.yes i know it is an ongoing investigation i get that. maybe we should make a list of all the things we should not ask about and then we can all agree.take care philip

if Maura had only been back at school about a week, how oculd she have been travelling with classmates to her distant clinicals? She would've only done one clinical visit in the first week...and that would've been orientation (HIPAA, OSHA stuff, fire plan, etc) yet when it was presented on the MMM forum, it was presented that it was a more regular occurrance. Was she having car troubles in the prior semester too?

Lady Gray wrote:

Here is a question for locals. If you were on scene at the location of the vehicle where it came to rest on 112 and you have to get to Lime Kiln Road off of 25, what route would you take?
And keep in mind a route that would get you there in the most timely manner.

I'd go 116 to 25.

Lady Gray wrote:

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I agree. I mean, why WOULDN'T they show it to family as confirmation? Who even knows if it still exists. Businesses tend to tape over; hopefully, they realized how important it could be and saved it.

Speaking of businesses.
Several times over the years we have given tapes over to police. We lose our tape, but police have the proof of whatever situation caused them to investigate a theft, stolen checks, what have you. Our tapes are changed every day for one month. Then a new set is begun. The main security also has voice. I'm thinking if the detectives got the tape, they would still have it.

Hey Paris,

Firstly, thanks so much for posting all of the info on Maura. It is exactly the way I recall how Maura's life was presented on her forum.

Oddly enough, while I was being enlightened yesterday morning there was a man sitting in a courthouse in MA on trial for the rape and attempted murder of his girlfriend in '07' who has been deemed a 'person of interest' in Wendy Morello's murder along with numerous others. His name is Alex Scensy.

They've removed all info/links from the internet to maintain the integrity of investigations/future trials. That's why I was unable to find anything. His DNA matched a homicide in Fitchurg/1997 that matched the characteristics of others.

Coincidences like that happen to me all the time. I guess that's why I am so open minded when it comes to psychics, mediums, and remote viewers.

I went back and re-read Weeper's post on the witness account of the first accident.

I'm not sure if I'm being of much help but I figured I'd repost it to keep info concentrated.

Gosh knows, it was like trying to find a needle in a haystack..........

I would like to recap some information that has previously been posted on the MMM Forum and partly on this site as well, with reference to the first “call-out” about an accident on route 112 at or about 7:00-7:10 PM on February 9, 2004.

A witness returning home from her/his place of employment at Cottage Hospital on Goose Lane stated she/he observed a black “Bronco style” police unit with #1 stenciled on it passed her/him heading (with blue lights flashing) toward the intersection of Goose Lane and French Pond Road in Swiftwater. Please have a map of this area to follow along as it gets confusing since these routes twist from Haverhill into the Swiftwater portion of the town of Bath and back into the northern section of Haverhill. Goose Lane and the Cottage Hospital are in Haverhill, then into Bath where it continues south-south west back toward the Woodsville portion of Haverhill. As the witness drove further up Goose Lane she/he observed the police unit continue on Goose Lane back toward Swiftwater. As this witness turned off Goose Lane in Bath and onto French Pond Road and the very short distance on French Pond Road to the intersection with route 112 (the Wild Ammonoosuc Road as it’s called) almost across from the general store, she/he observed the same unit (#1) pass her/him at that intersection heading east toward where the Saturn was ultimately located. When the witness came to the corner at the Weathered Barn she/he saw this police unit, nose to nose with the Saturn (ass-end into the snow bank) but did not see any officers or people around the two vehicles (it is assumed Sgt. Smith was at this point either speaking with the Westermans or down speaking with Mr. Atwood. The witness then continued along route 112 East heading home and flashed her/his high-low beams to oncoming traffic (universal signal to slow down ahead) due to the location of the accident on the sharp curve.

This witness’ account of what she/he saw that evening supports the postings about an “earlier accident” where “female left in private vehicle”, which was heard by others over the scanners up in that area.

What does all this mean then? It means an officer was responding to a “vehicle slid off the road” call, but rather than take the most direct route to the Weathered Barn the officer went back toward Route 10 where it intersect with Goose Lane up in the Woodsville section of Haverhill, before turning back toward the corner at the Westerman’s Weathered Barn. Could there have been two separate women sliding off the road into snow banks that evening within thirty minutes of one another, I doubt it but it is possible none the less.

By the way Weeper.

I confused you with a man by the initials JH. I think this is why I was a bit confused in my earlier posts. I apologize for the error on my part.

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

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I don't think anyone forgets that Maura took action to travel to Vermont before she left, and that she bought a lot of alcohol - that apparently some folks still don't believe even though it was caught on camera.
We all know what happened - so I'll stop now.

the video is from the ATM. there is no video of Maura at a liquor store.

Citigirl !..ker--ching!!

In replying to Paris regarding any debris found roadside...It was a synopsis. of a previous Poster who Before, the first MM Forum, was using a metal detector. on the roadside of 112. It was NOT, an Opinion. He was attempting to find anything that could possibly relate to the "incident"..He was being optimistic.
Whereas the chap was/is a friend of the Murrays ....I soft pedaled His story...because
it was not my experience to relate. And, he related his version of being followed,shadowed, hung around...whatever term, by HPD, that he experienced. He simply was using a metal detector to possibly find any debris along a roadside. The inquiry of "what are you doing"? is silly. duh, walking my dog? huh? Hello, I am walking along with a metal detector..not dowsing.

The Saturn hood is 24"H from the ground. The point of impact is clearly lower than that.
Whatever the Saturn hit had to be higher than the 18" (ground to top of rubber bumper)front measuremnts. Just using car measurements and viewing photos, whatever made the sharp crease was over 18"H and under 24"H. Certainly there had to be some debris, other than "plastic".

Elsewhere..re-reading that article...My first memory is of course from Beth and borrowing her book.Reminded me of Fred trying to give info (knife) with what was told to him, to SP....
....what he thought might be helpful to find Maura...and being turned down...
In this case the retired Grafton Cty Dep.Sheriff, Howard xxxxx tried to give info..and it was refused. Then "Then he got mad. He said,'I'll never take anything to law enforcement again. " Damn..!!!What does that say for/to you..?

And, that other Missing Dennis T.(case in Woodsville)..? What, if any outcome?
Another bit of litter "blowing in the wind"?(as quote from article)

Whiston, FWIW..I asked waaay back about the possibility of "oil change" ..thinking that maybe
Maura had an oil change/tune up within that last week prior..and it would have sta.#/date/mileage on sticker on upper left windshield....NA as yet..

Mcsmom ...agree with your Post #5011 re: difference in "Search" criteria....
(Brooke vs Maura)

"The accomplice to the crime of corruption is frequently our own indifference”

Hello Citigirl & all,

So, there is no video of Maura at the liquor store???
I´ve always been under the impression that there was one.

Then:
How could it be known that it was Maura making the purchases of the alcohol found in the Saturn?

Is that mere speculation?

hi Euro and all.depending on where you read,there was a receipt from a liquor store found in the saturn.i assume there was a time and date on it and the store in any college town would I.D. almost everyone.if someone else used Mauras I.D. i think the store would be off the hook.so now it seems the only real proof of Maura being in amherst on monday is an ATM video that may exist and has not been seen by the Murrays.WHO had contact with her on Monday A.M.Did she have classes.She made 4 phone calls before she left, Billy,vt, the Salamones and somewhere on campus that was a dead end.did anyone actually speak with her.take care philip