Where is MAURA MURRAY

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

I thought of something else that is possible. What if the same Maura-look-alike was actually the person that visited the ATM and bought all of the liquor.
Now looking at the timeline at Wikipedia - that changes things. If it wasn't really her at the ATM or liquor store - then I see as reasonable any action taken after she talked to her Dad after 11:26 PM could have been done by an abductor starting with "Maura searches for directions to Burlington, Vermont."
To test this theory though - do we know if any directions to Vermont were in her handwriting? Was the computer checked for fingerprints?

I've wondered this too, and now that I've heard that it wasn't family who ID'ed Maura from the video, it becomes much more possible. I don't know how much more likely, but definitely more possible.

For that matter, were the belongings of the CAR checked for fingerprints? I mean, obviously there'd be Maura's, and likely other people who were in the car, but....well, it'd be nice to have someone's fingerprints to compare to, if they ever decide there's a suspect.

Oh look. The computer belched. Pardon my repetition.

Yes, JMO, the idea of picking up a hitchhiker....very interesting.....Maura is often described as having no fear, is she not? I remember hearing her family tell stories about her running through dicey neighbourhoods, and Maura saying she'd just outrun anyone frightening.

FireCat wrote:

Oh look. The computer belched. Pardon my repetition.
Yes, JMO, the idea of picking up a hitchhiker....very interesting.....Maura is often described as having no fear, is she not? I remember hearing her family tell stories about her running through dicey neighbourhoods, and Maura saying she'd just outrun anyone frightening.

Pardon? Can be difficult to sort thru the text here...even when one is motivated and has contributed to the effort in some small way.
Thanks for your reply...

FireCat wrote:

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Really? Didn't know that. Also, is UMass an RN program--and was Maura in the RN program? Or was it an LPN/BSN program.
The reason I ask this is because, for instance, in NJ if you want to be a midwife, you must be a CNM (certified nurse midwife)which means you need a nursing degree. I forget whether it's an RN or an LPN--I think it's the former.
Also not sure how it relates to Maura's disappearance....but I don't know that it doesn't, either.
Anyway, are the PA schooling requirements different in different states, the way midwifery is? And what kind of nursing program was Maura in?

To answer your question re CNM's in MA -
Admission Criteria
Students must meet the general requirements of both
the University of Massachusetts Amherst Graduate
School, the Graduate School of Nursing and the Bay-
state Medical Center Midwifery Education Program.
The applicant must be a registered nurse from a na-
tionally accredited school of nursing and have a bac-
calaureate degree.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q =cache:LK2ANUlWiaoJ:www.umass. edu/nursing/programs/pro_grad_ EBWH/CNM/Certified%2520Nurse%2 520Midwife%2520Brochure%2520Ap ril%252007.pdf+MA+requirements +for+CNM&hl=en&ct=clnk &cd=3&gl=us

My understanding is that Maura was enrolled in a UMASS program to earn a BSN. Is that correct, anyone?
Maura's ultimately working toward her CNM or PA is established? Or theorized, please?
Again, it seems confusing.

euro... you keep some interesting hours over there in sweden. just an observation.

Highly esteemed Bacon,

I should think that it´s entirely my own business which hours I choose to keep. Won´t you agree?

We are not all working traditional 9-5 jobs, although that is apparently somewhat difficult to comprehend in some quarters...

I shall be keeping my mouth shut forthwith.

JMO wrote:

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Well, Euro..
You are vigorously selling this "secret boyfriend" theory. This vision must come directly from a romance novel...or the moon and the stars?
I ask, then, where will you find this person? Who will name him? Is the info. forthcoming? Or is this merely an exercise in "what if"?
Oh, the absurdity of it all. As such, I am merely entitled to offer my opinion.

What exactly is your point of being here? Certainly not to explore possible scenarios.

bacon wrote:

euro... you keep some interesting hours over there in sweden. just an observation.

It baffles the mind to imagine why this is important to you.

WTF wrote:

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Euro,
I have not problem with what you are saying except what does "dispose of" mean. The car wouldn't disappear. The car has the VIN number embedded in the frame and engine block so I don't know how your theory would help someone. The vehicle would easily be traced even if it was light on fire and found years later. Investigating agencies would know exactly who it belonged to.
And if you were trying to hide a vehicle I know many quarries near where I live to hide them better then the woods. I am sure with a little research there are better locations within 10 miles of where Maura was to hide it better also.
I have no problem with what you are saying, I just don’t understand the thinking.
Bill

Hi Euro - I'm not trying to dogpile you here - OK?
WTF here berings up some good points here and was better able to articulate why I didn't think that disposing the car would be a main motive. However - I don't think that it breaks the line of thinking you are working on now.

I do think you make a good counterarguement by bringing up the fact that she was with family doing the usual just a week or two before the incident. I think that is more damaging to the theory then a motive to dispose of car.

I will say this - if no other prints are in the car besides Maura's and that was definitely Maura at the ATM / store - it will contradict what I am starting to view as most likely myself: that something happened to Maura after 11:29 the night before she left and she was robbed, murdered and had her car stolen in Amhurst. That's what I think is most likely.

Other theories in order of likliness

A hitchhiker anywhere up to White River Junction

Then the messy fit of a secret boyfriend (messy because it doesn't ring true to folks that knew her).

Followed by an inside job wisking her away for reasons unknown.

Followed by - a serial killer just happened to be at the right place at the right time - snatching Maura in the few minutes she was alone.

Followed by - the cops killed her.

Last - Paranormal phenomina - including WTF's aliens.(I know he's not sirious)

JMO wrote:

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To answer your question re CNM's in MA -
Admission Criteria
Students must meet the general requirements of both
the University of Massachusetts Amherst Graduate
School, the Graduate School of Nursing and the Bay-
state Medical Center Midwifery Education Program.
The applicant must be a registered nurse from a na-
tionally accredited school of nursing and have a bac-
calaureate degree.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q =cache:LK2ANUlWiaoJ:www.umass. edu/nursing/programs/pro_grad_ EBWH/CNM/Certified%2520Nurse%2 520Midwife%2520Brochure%2520Ap ril%252007.pdf+MA+requirements +for+CNM&hl=en&ct=clnk &cd=3&gl=us
My understanding is that Maura was enrolled in a UMASS program to earn a BSN. Is that correct, anyone?
Maura's ultimately working toward her CNM or PA is established? Or theorized, please?
Again, it seems confusing.

I think CNM's have to be RN's first in all states. Typically the LPN scope of practice is strictly for the stable and predictable patienet or rehab. Maura was in an RN program......she'd be a BSN when she graduated.

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

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What exactly is your point of being here? Certainly not to explore possible scenarios.

From time to time I've explained my presence as an interested party on this PUBLIC forum...

FYI I also accepted an invitation to distribute flyers on behalf of the missing Maura Murray in NH...and did so.

I was rather stunned by the exchange of information during the "OHMY" and the "Beagle Bart" days. Certainly, there was some interesting reading with the latter.

Most recently, thought I'd chime in when some ideas made little sense to me. You know, the psychic stuff. Whew!

Additional commitments will limit my browsing time here...hope you won't be too disappointed.
I note....5,000 posts later! WOW! I'll be sure to check back....at 10,000.

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

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It baffles the mind to imagine why this is important to you.

nope, doesn't bother me. just observing.

Wasn't someone earlier accusing Euro of not actually being in Sweden, maybe being local, maybe that's what that is all about.

I'm terrible with maps, directions, driving, and anything to do with navigating but I still feel this info is important enough to re-post.

Quote Lady Gray:

“Here is a question for locals. If you were on scene at the location of the vehicle where it came to rest on 112 and you have to get to Lime Kiln Road off of 25, what route would you take?

And keep in mind a route that would get you there in the most timely manner.“

Quote Looking4amoose:

“I'd go 116 to 25”

Quote Weeper re: eye witness account of previous accident.

I'd like to add that I read that (4) individuals heard the 1st accident call over the scanner.

“I would like to recap some information that has previously been posted on the MMM Forum and partly on this site as well, with reference to the first “call-out” about an accident on route 112 at or about 7:00-7:10 PM on February 9, 2004.

A witness returning home from her/his place of employment at Cottage Hospital on Goose Lane stated she/he observed a black “Bronco style” police unit with #1 stenciled on it passed her/him heading (with blue lights flashing) toward the intersection of Goose Lane and French Pond Road in Swiftwater. Please have a map of this area to follow along as it gets confusing since these routes twist from Haverhill into the Swiftwater portion of the town of Bath and back into the northern section of Haverhill. Goose Lane and the Cottage Hospital are in Haverhill, then into Bath where it continues south-south west back toward the Woodsville portion of Haverhill. As the witness drove further up Goose Lane she/he observed the police unit continue on Goose Lane back toward Swiftwater. As this witness turned off Goose Lane in Bath and onto French Pond Road and the very short distance on French Pond Road to the intersection with route 112 (the Wild Ammonoosuc Road as it’s called) almost across from the general store, she/he observed the same unit (#1) pass her/him at that intersection heading east toward where the Saturn was ultimately located. When the witness came to the corner at the Weathered Barn she/he saw this police unit, nose to nose with the Saturn (ass-end into the snow bank) but did not see any officers or people around the two vehicles (it is assumed Sgt. Smith was at this point either speaking with the Westermans or down speaking with Mr. Atwood. The witness then continued along route 112 East heading home and flashed her/his high-low beams to oncoming traffic (universal signal to slow down ahead) due to the location of the accident on the sharp curve.

This witness’ account of what she/he saw that evening supports the postings about an “earlier accident” where “female left in private vehicle”, which was heard by others over the scanners up in that area.

What does all this mean then? It means an officer was responding to a “vehicle slid off the road” call, but rather than take the most direct route to the Weathered Barn the officer went back toward Route 10 where it intersect with Goose Lane up in the Woodsville section of Haverhill, before turning back toward the corner at the Westerman’s Weathered Barn. Could there have been two separate women sliding off the road into snow banks that evening within thirty minutes of one another, I doubt it but it is possible none the less.”

elsewherebriefly wrote:

I'm terrible with maps, directions, driving, and anything to do with navigating but I still feel this info is important enough to re-post.
Quote Lady Gray:
“Here is a question for locals. If you were on scene at the location of the vehicle where it came to rest on 112 and you have to get to Lime Kiln Road off of 25, what route would you take?
And keep in mind a route that would get you there in the most timely manner.“
Quote Looking4amoose:
“I'd go 116 to 25”
Quote Weeper re: eye witness account of previous accident.
I'd like to add that I read that (4) individuals heard the 1st accident call over the scanner.
“I would like to recap some information that has previously been posted on the MMM Forum and partly on this site as well, with reference to the first “call-out” about an accident on route 112 at or about 7:00-7:10 PM on February 9, 2004.
A witness returning home from her/his place of employment at Cottage Hospital on Goose Lane stated she/he observed a black “Bronco style” police unit with #1 stenciled on it passed her/him heading (with blue lights flashing) toward the intersection of Goose Lane and French Pond Road in Swiftwater. Please have a map of this area to follow along as it gets confusing since these routes twist from Haverhill into the Swiftwater portion of the town of Bath and back into the northern section of Haverhill. Goose Lane and the Cottage Hospital are in Haverhill, then into Bath where it continues south-south west back toward the Woodsville portion of Haverhill. As the witness drove further up Goose Lane she/he observed the police unit continue on Goose Lane back toward Swiftwater. As this witness turned off Goose Lane in Bath and onto French Pond Road and the very short distance on French Pond Road to the intersection with route 112 (the Wild Ammonoosuc Road as it’s called) almost across from the general store, she/he observed the same unit (#1) pass her/him at that intersection heading east toward where the Saturn was ultimately located. When the witness came to the corner at the Weathered Barn she/he saw this police unit, nose to nose with the Saturn (ass-end into the snow bank) but did not see any officers or people around the two vehicles (it is assumed Sgt. Smith was at this point either speaking with the Westermans or down speaking with Mr. Atwood. The witness then continued along route 112 East heading home and flashed her/his high-low beams to oncoming traffic (universal signal to slow down ahead) due to the location of the accident on the sharp curve.
This witness’ account of what she/he saw that evening supports the postings about an “earlier accident” where “female left in private vehicle”, which was heard by others over the scanners up in that area.
What does all this mean then? It means an officer was responding to a “vehicle slid off the road” call, but rather than take the most direct route to the Weathered Barn the officer went back toward Route 10 where it intersect with Goose Lane up in the Woodsville section of Haverhill, before turning back toward the corner at the Westerman’s Weathered Barn. Could there have been two separate women sliding off the road into snow banks that evening within thirty minutes of one another, I doubt it but it is possible none the less.”

Smith allegedly left the scene of Maura's vehicle to go straight to a call on Lime Kiln Road. Dispatch report references two different locations for Smith to respond to:(1) 25 and Lime Kiln Road; and (2) Benton and Lime Kiln Road.

Smith said he first responded to 25 and Lime Kiln and no one was there. Going by the time on the dispatch report (leaves 112 scene at 9:26 pm), Smith is then on scene at 25 and Lime Kiln at 9:35 pm.

How did he get there in 9 minutes? And why did he first go the long way? Why didn't get go to Benton and Lime Kiln? It's closer to the scene he left.

The E channel just finished a report on serial killers and did story on Conn. Valley killer. I posted when it started but it did not show up. Oh well.

Ok, I've been pouring over the dispatch report. EMS and fire left the 112 scene at 20:02 and 20:49, respectively (8:02 pm and 8:49 pm).

Report says Smith left at 21:26 (9:26 pm). This time of 9:26 pm corresponds directly with the time that the Lime Kiln Road call came out and gives credence to him going straight from 112 to Lime Kiln regardless of the impossibility of him getting there in 9 minutes.

So, my thought is he actually left the 112 scene earlier than what the report says. If Smith left shortly after EMS/Fire, say at approx 8:50 pm, then the arrival time at Lime Kiln and 25 at 9:35 makes sense.

So, why would he want others to think he left the 112 scene at 9:26 pm? And, again, why did he go the long route to the call?

I went back to the call before the 112 call. It was on Petticoat Lane.

Keeping in mind that Smith went the long route to the Lime Kiln call, that route would have taken him back by the Petticoat Lane scene.

And, then, looking at the Lime Kiln call, Smith followed the ambulance to Cottage Hospital. However, along the way, he stopped at Agway to check out a vehicle whose owner was on his cell phone.

Why would he do that? Yep, LE checks out suspicious vehicles but to abandon following the ambulance to check out a car because the driver was on cell phone?

I then looked up the address of Agway and Agway is directly across the road from Petticoat Lane.

So what could be the attraction of Petticoat Lane?

Just some thoughts.......hope it makes sense.

Color me a moron but was the Lime Kiln call the suicidal youth call.

Wasn't there a snowmobile collision reported right around the same time as the 1st accident on Lime Kiln Road?

Wasn't there also a report of a supspicious person running in a dark hooded sweatshirt and goatee somewhere around that area as well. Not CS's report three months later.

I've not read the full Grafton County Police logs, can you tell?

Thanks Lady Gray,

You were replying while I was in moron mode. Petticoat Lane is something to think about.

Gvmeabrk,

Good to hear from you!

I never thought I'd be saying this but the word 'repeat' on television is music to my ears.
I watched the full segment last weekend, only caught the last ten minutes the night before when I mentioned it here. I felt optomistic about NHSP/VSP following up on Nicholeau's DNA and soliciting new leads.

oops. I meant to write, no CW's report three months later.

I remember heartfelt, on Maura's forum, mentioning a suspicious person with a goatee and a hooded sweatshirt being reported in the area.