Where is MAURA MURRAY

JMO wrote:

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Most recently, thought I'd chime in when some ideas made little sense to me. You know, the psychic stuff. Whew!
Additional commitments will limit my browsing time here...hope you won't be too disappointed.
I note....5,000 posts later! WOW! I'll be sure to check back....at 10,000.

I actually will be disapointed - if you have something to add, I'll miss your input.

I suggest that if you don't agree with something -tell us why - we might figure out something we haven't thought of.

To Euro: Whoever judged you as "Nuts and clueless" is just trying to annoy you. Apparently they are worried about your ideas and want you to go away.

Over the course of your posting here - you have expressed an understanding of the basic facts of the case, and have put some thought behind them. As I've said before explanation (along with other possibilities)is within the realm of possibility.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> I think CNM's have to be RN's first in all states. Typically the LPN scope of practice is strictly for the stable and predictable patienet or rehab. Maura was in an RN program......she'd be a BSN when she graduated.

Thanks to you and JMO. As I said, it may have absolutely NO bearing on Maura's whereabouts. In fact, it probably doesn't. But still--since we don't know what constitutes useful information, every little bit helps.

Lady Gray wrote:

Ok, I've been pouring over the dispatch report. EMS and fire left the 112 scene at 20:02 and 20:49, respectively (8:02 pm and 8:49 pm).
Report says Smith left at 21:26 (9:26 pm). This time of 9:26 pm corresponds directly with the time that the Lime Kiln Road call came out and gives credence to him going straight from 112 to Lime Kiln regardless of the impossibility of him getting there in 9 minutes.
So, my thought is he actually left the 112 scene earlier than what the report says. If Smith left shortly after EMS/Fire, say at approx 8:50 pm, then the arrival time at Lime Kiln and 25 at 9:35 makes sense.
So, why would he want others to think he left the 112 scene at 9:26 pm? And, again, why did he go the long route to the call?
I went back to the call before the 112 call. It was on Petticoat Lane.
Keeping in mind that Smith went the long route to the Lime Kiln call, that route would have taken him back by the Petticoat Lane scene.
And, then, looking at the Lime Kiln call, Smith followed the ambulance to Cottage Hospital. However, along the way, he stopped at Agway to check out a vehicle whose owner was on his cell phone.
Why would he do that? Yep, LE checks out suspicious vehicles but to abandon following the ambulance to check out a car because the driver was on cell phone?
I then looked up the address of Agway and Agway is directly across the road from Petticoat Lane.
So what could be the attraction of Petticoat Lane?
Just some thoughts.......hope it makes sense.

As much as anything else does about this mess.....

Seriously. That IS interesting.

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

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I actually will be disapointed - if you have something to add, I'll miss your input.
I suggest that if you don't agree with something -tell us why - we might figure out something we haven't thought of.

Ben - Perhaps you have missed or chosen to ignore several of my previous (and not just recent) posts (plural).

Generally, and specifically, I have been consistent and steadfast in being skeptical of the "secret boyfriend" theory (apparently based on posts at #4795,#4796 and #4797, and a description to reflect's another writer's similar, personal experience).

With theories based on pure speculation and little by way of new information to work with, I remain unconvinced that pursuing this line of reasoning is relevant, except as a way-far-out possibility. Yes, a sweeping nay, IMHO.

I especially do not base my foundational beliefs on astrology/psychics/numerology. Period. It runs counter to my sense and sensibility.

Here is quoted a sentence from Eurobserver:

"Hello all,
I found this on the "Forensic Astrology" web site (31st August, 2008) and thought that it may be of some interest.
Since we are grasping at straws here, I must admit that I find the conclusions highly interesting."

Grasping at straws.

Importantly, I wish to restate that any slight, however unintended, to Maura's character or reputation by way of suggested misbehavior or moral deficiency should not, IMHO, be put forth without a factual basis for doing so.

If Maura were my daughter, I would be further pained by such statements. In other words, I suggest being mindful and appropriately sensitivity. Can anyone here make accurate statements about Maura's personal relationship with Billy?

However, this is the internet. So anything goes. Call me old fashioned.

While I do not doubt for a moment the sincere effort here, the discussion is not sufficiently logical for me to follow...and is frustrating. We may cheerfully agree to disagree.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Smith allegedly left the scene of Maura's vehicle to go straight to a call on Lime Kiln Road. Dispatch report references two different locations for Smith to respond to:(1) 25 and Lime Kiln Road; and (2) Benton and Lime Kiln Road.
Smith said he first responded to 25 and Lime Kiln and no one was there. Going by the time on the dispatch report (leaves 112 scene at 9:26 pm), Smith is then on scene at 25 and Lime Kiln at 9:35 pm.
How did he get there in 9 minutes? And why did he first go the long way? Why didn't get go to Benton and Lime Kiln? It's closer to the scene he left.

This sounds similar to the first set of calls we think were made around Maura's time. Smith goes to 2 locations, first one, no one there....left in a private vehicle? Second? The weathered Barn? And those minutes don't jive with the timing of the witness calls either.

Just installed a GPS. I wonder if you programmed one in NH there, if you could see how accurate it seems to the dispatch route and times? Delivering to a nursing home yesterday in a crazy location made me think of tracking and I see you are talking about that now.

JMO wrote:

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This is the internet. So anything goes.

You see Ben, it was the ear kleetchers.

JMO wrote:

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the "secret boyfriend" theory (apparently based on posts at #4795,#4796 and #4797...

JMO - Perhaps you have missed or chosen to ignore several previous posts.

OK - that puts JMO in the "Antagonizes for sport" category.

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

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JMO - Perhaps you have missed or chosen to ignore several previous posts.
OK - that puts JMO in the "Antagonizes for sport" category.

My comments escape your comprehension entirely. Time is precious...I won't waste mine.

http://whokilledtheresa.blogspot.com/2008/09/...

Although I have never met John Allore he was one of the first persons I crossed paths with when I learned about Maura.

He is one of the few people in this world who knows exactly what Maura's family is going through.

Mister Checkoff wrote:

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You see Ben, it was the ear kleetchers.

Mister Checkoff???!!!! is this BEAGLE BART?

paris wrote:

<quoted text>This sounds similar to the first set of calls we think were made around Maura's time. Smith goes to 2 locations, first one, no one there....left in a private vehicle? Second? The weathered Barn? And those minutes don't jive with the timing of the witness calls either.

Speaking of timing......I meant to post this with the other one and forgot.

Also on the dispatch log, and this log has been made available for the public eye, there is a notation on the bottom of the call for Maura's vehicle on 112. It says:

"0243 - H6 for time that H2 was off at this accident. Adv."

Smith is H2. So, interpreting this dispatch lingo means that at 2:43 a.m. the morning after, officer H6 requested from dispatch the time that Smith was off at this accident. Adv means please advise.

Sounds as if we aren't the only ones questioning the timing of this evening.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

http://whokilledtheresa.blogsp ot.com/2008/09/new-book-chroni cles-theresa-allore.html
Although I have never met John Allore he was one of the first persons I crossed paths with when I learned about Maura.

One thing I like about you Elsewhere - is your empathy for people and you steadfast commitment to this case. I think you have commendable and admirable qualities in this respect.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Speaking of timing......I meant to post this with the other one and forgot.
Also on the dispatch log, and this log has been made available for the public eye, there is a notation on the bottom of the call for Maura's vehicle on 112. It says:
"0243 - H6 for time that H2 was off at this accident. Adv."
Smith is H2. So, interpreting this dispatch lingo means that at 2:43 a.m. the morning after, officer H6 requested from dispatch the time that Smith was off at this accident. Adv means please advise.
Sounds as if we aren't the only ones questioning the timing of this evening.

I agree on that. I could interpret it that the difference couldn't be explained in the mind of H6 by clocks being out of synch.

But perhaps it should be discussed in case there is any doubt.

I would think that Police Departments and their officers have some resource that is the official time - and that all time pieces are synchronized to it as a required standard procedure.

But is the above true? What is known about these standards in general - are there any? Is time accuracy monitored somewhat through dispatcher feedback?

Could any officer possibly think that time is to be expresed in fractions of an hour rather then in minutes.

Also - how long are dispatcher recordings preserved and have they been given to the Murray family? If not why not - he seemed to win access after winning the last court case.

Lady Gray..or anybody who cares.
Petticoat Lane (I believe a dead end) runs off Rte. 10. It is by a section of the airport.
Running parallel (roadside) with Rt.10, is part of a snowmobile trail.
As noted in DL there were (hard to read) 6:08 ..?- 6:25..?. "warnings/summons".. I would imagine that area is watched closely.....
and it is an easy zip up/down Re 10, from PD to check out any wrong doings.

'bout the person using his phone in the Agway parking lot...Up there, cell service is iffy..I see cars pulled over using their phones...At first I thought they were just doing it for safety
or maybe were concerned that police would pull them over...? I dunno...(I must have missed that in the DL) But, yeh, at that time of night, one of the other 2 officers could've handled it.

Then, of course were the other 2 calls (after Lime Kiln) Central St. area side streets...(handled by 2 other officers)
The first was "suspicious person"....around 11:30
I believe the 2nd was a few minutes after midnight
(5'10" goatee and blk. hooded sweatshirt).
Same guy...?

The Lime Kiln call is also confusing to me..only cuz one end of Lime Kiln Rd. is at Rte.25. The other end is Benton Rd. 116.
Lime Kiln Rd is unpaved, however, it does appear there are residences. I have never driven it...I pass the Rte 25 end. Rte 116 doesn't go to 25..it goes to 10.(10 goes to 25)
IF..if the "incident" was indeed the Benton Rd. end..one would think CS would go Bradley Hill Rd. I dunno...Rte 10 and 25 would be faster maybe for speeding cruisers. I do know that first hand cuz they fly by me..even without the blue lights...

LG btw...thanks a big lot for causing me to go back and try to read my very bad copies of DL...

Wow, thanks for the compliment Benjamin.

Weeper, Firecat, 1Anne,Shack, Mcsmom, Paris, Sophie Bean, and a few others immediately came to mind after reading your words. Citigirl & Lady Gray are members of Maura's extended family.

I also thought about the many locals whom have been very supportive and helpful to Mr. Murray on his tireless trips to the North Country in search of Maura.

"Weeper, Firecat, 1Anne,Shack, Mcsmom, Paris, Sophie Bean, and a few others immediately came to mind after reading your words. Citigirl & Lady Gray are members of Maura's extended family."

Yes all well deserved - much more then I could ever.

hi all, i think we agree that the log and the accident report and real time are 3 very different things.whether on purpose or just human errror remains to be seen.what happened to Maura if she ever got to Haverill may be buried in all that mess .why Maura left happened in Haverhill.i am not writing about a specific thing that i know about just that Maura left from that point still curious about monday feb 09 a.m.really, think about it if i heard that Maura had grown wings and flown north i could not post it here because it just jams up the site with the requests for proof. personally i look at the last site MMM with more and more questions about things that were and have still not been shared.can someone explain why knowing Mauras class schedule would impede the process of finding out why she left.take care philip

On the subject of Monday Feb. 09 AM by my observations at Wikipedia:

Sunday, February 8, 2004

2:30 AM - Maura leaves her friend's dorm and heads to her father's hotel room.

4:49 AM - Maura calls her boyfriend, who is stationed in Oklahoma, from her father's cell phone.

Maura probably doesn't get to sleep until at least 5AM.

Most likely she got her 8 hours sleep - but everyone differs. By the activity the next day - I'd say she woke up at around noon.

# 11:26 PM - Maura talks to her father and agrees to get the necessary forms pertaining to the accident from the registry on Monday. They agree to discuss the forms via telephone Monday night.
# Time unknown - Maura searches for directions to Burlington, Vermont.(From New Hampshire State Police Troop F Commander Lt. John Scarinza's inspection of Maura's computer hard drive).
# Time unknown - Maura searches for information on the Berkshires.(Source unknown).

So the last thing Maura does before she searches for directions to Vermont is...talk to her dad.

What I don't know is "how long" she might have been searching.

(Also I mention that if anything bad happened to her in Amhurst [which could only be proven by someone saying it was not Maura that went to ATM/Liquor store, but instead look alike]

Under the assumption nothing bad happened - and her sleeping pattern was go to bed at 5AM wake up at 12 or so...

First thing she did after getting up was resume her search.

# 12:55 PM - Maura calls for information about a condominium in Bartlett, New Hampshire that her family is familiar with. The call lasts for three minutes. No condominium is rented.
# 1:00 PM - Maura sends her boyfriend an e-mail, briefly stating she hasn't felt like talking to anyone, but that she will call him later in the day.
# 1:13 PM - Maura calls another student and leaves a voicemail. No significant information.
# 2:05 PM - Maura calls 800-GOSTOWE for approximately 5 minutes. Later research shows this number was out of order on this day and that only recordings were available for listening.
# 2:18 PM - Maura calls her boyfriend for approximately 1 minute.
# 4:00 PM or earlier - Maura e-mails one of her bosses and some of her teachers to inform them that there has been a death in her family and that she would be out of town for several days. There is no death in her family.

One question I have is.... what was it about her last call with Dad that motivated her to go off? That is - if nothing bad happened at Amhurst.

If the FBI has cleared the possibility of foul play in Amhurst - and the ID is positive at the ATM and Liquor store and we have at least a Maura look alike 200 miles away -(to say that was not planned asks us to believe that God performs evil miracles [evil being that lo and behold a Maura look alike is in the car when it was found.])

And if most of her time was spent on the computer until the early hours of the morning - then...

I can draw no other conclusion other then she and Dad were either planning this -> or that conversation was what made her go off.

The whole discussion about Maura being upset a few days ago distracts us from asking about the last conversation she had with Dad.

Or maybe at that point - she knew that the Cat was away so she could play.

Like I said before - all that had to be done was follow Maura up to where the car was found and take her to her ultimate destination. In the meantime the focus would likely remain at the car site and it could be confusing enough to pull off. Why - I don't know.

Also if this was done - the perps could rely on the fact that someone would get upset at the idea being brought up - keep people quiet or bullied out of solving the issue.

Now - assuming something bad happened to her - maybe whoever knows has already figured out for themselves that it won't make a difference in solving the case.

"The whole discussion about Maura being upset a few days ago distracts us from asking about the last conversation she had with Dad."

Should read:

"The whole discussion about Maura being upset a few days prior to leaving distracts us from asking about the last conversation she had with Dad."