Where is MAURA MURRAY

Thanks, Whiston, for concurring about the VT plates.

As nearly as I can tell, the Saturn has been in Twin Mountain for at least two years. For part of that time, I believe that it was inside the fence, but when I first saw it - and then I did identify it as a black Saturn, because it was in a slightly different place than it is now - it was outside the fence. It appears to be outside the fence now.
Unless I'm completely mistaken, it has not been at Lavoie's and was not "signed over" unless they gave it back, or it was taken back.

The question of why the Saturn was not destroyed and why, if - as many insist - it's not part of an ongoing criminal investigation - it's still in NHSP's lot, though not secured...well, those questions aren't answered, but their existence says a lot to me.

Hello all,

According to a recent post here it would seem that a deployed airbag could well cause the kind of crack in the windscreen that can be seen in the pictures of Maura´s Saturn.

If so, the damage to the windscreen could very likely have occurred either in Amherst or en route from Amherst to NH.

If the Saturn hit Petrit Vasi in Amherst (and no, I don´t think it at all likely that Maura was driving, but possibly a friend of hers), the impact may well have deployed the airbag, causing the crack in the windshield.

The same would be the case with a likely previous accident/incident prior to the Weathered Barn curve, very possibly somewhere between Woodsville and Swiftwater.

Ideas?

hi Sophie .i think it was reported on the MMM. forum that mrMurray signed over the saturn to Lavoies to cover storage and towing fees.if this is the case it was then taken by NHSP .when this happened i dont know.if there were mounting storage fees i assume it was a while after it was towed there. of course this could be more tea and crumpets that were posted on the old forum just to hide when nhsp actually took the car.it could have been eaxamined the same night or next day i dont know.maybe this explains why mrMurray and Billy were not allowed to see the car right away.take care bring on the attack cousins philip

whiston wrote:

hi Sophie .i think it was reported on the MMM. forum that mrMurray signed over the saturn to Lavoies to cover storage and towing fees.if this is the case it was then taken by NHSP .when this happened i dont know.if there were mounting storage fees i assume it was a while after it was towed there. of course this could be more tea and crumpets that were posted on the old forum just to hide when nhsp actually took the car.it could have been eaxamined the same night or next day i dont know.maybe this explains why mrMurray and Billy were not allowed to see the car right away.take care bring on the attack cousins philip

Whiston I was in no way attacking you. I'm merely posting my opinion as you do.

Sophie/Whiston I guess NH Temp. plates are Red/White too. Page 21 of DL..my copies hard to read.. Since the pages are alphabetical by Town...I skim read to see if other Towns use those
early morning hours for "Motor Vehicle Stops"...didn't find any as yet.

2/10/04 Tuesday AM ..between 4 :45 and 6:35 there were 5 Motor Vehicle Stops
5 Citations/Warnings Issued. I believe that Lady Gray listed them...but the 2nd stop was
a "Red Ford PU F250 Reg. TM NH xxxxxx NH Temp. Reg, Red/Whi"
All Veh. Stops Haverhill and Pike area. 3 red, 1 green, 1 Mar..( Maroon...?)

Forgot who asked about the snowmobiler names...no names..all juveniles ...just teens not using proper gear...helmets etc.

sophie bean wrote:

Another little piece, but maybe a big piece, is that it sure looks to me like the Saturn is still outside the fence in Twin Mountain. I haven't gotten close enough to absolutely confirm - can't figure a safe or legal way to do that - but it looks like the Saturn.
If it's still there and outside the fence, why would that be?

I was down by Arethusa Falls a couple of weekends ago, thought I saw the vehicle inside the fence, but right up against it. Took a picture---not sure where it is right now but maybe it will help verify?

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> I was down by Arethusa Falls a couple of weekends ago, thought I saw the vehicle inside the fence, but right up against it. Took a picture---not sure where it is right now but maybe it will help verify?

found the picture--its of the back end.

whiston wrote:

Ben i know very little about computers.is it possible that Mauras' emails were sent from anywhere other than her room.....the emails went out at 1.24 pm on feb 09 04.

Hi Whitson.

There are a few pieces of evidence to look at to determine this. The first is not 100% definite. Close and very likely definite - but not certain. The second is, but requires information from the Internet Service Provider.

In general - when an email is sent, a copy of the email is saved to the computer hard drive. It is appended to an existing file (In outlook express called "Sent Items.DBX."

There is a picture of those files here: http://www.sru.edu/pages/7078.asp

Now here is a secret. If you simply renamed "Sent Items.dbx" to "Sent" and plop that in a Mozilla email client directory -> as defined on this page: http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.5/faq/mail-new... .

Same in reverse. You could move between Outlook Express - go from Netscape/Mozilla Kmail - back and forth. No problem - I've done it before.

You would be able to read those emails without a hitch. Same with Kmail, whatever. Save the file to some sort of transportable media (in 2004 if bigger then 1.4 MB a Zip drive) and it could look like the email was sent from the drive. The file just has to have the correct name.

That's the only reason why I say its not a definite indicator. But not many folks know how to do this.

The way to know for certain is to look at the email headers at the machine the email was received at. Best case scenario is to look at two different ones that you know both people aren't likely in collusion.

Email headers. Go into your email program and look at an email - you will see the normal subject, who sent the email, etc.

However - if you follow the instructions on this page here - it will tell you how to view all of the email headers.

http://www.johnru.com/active-whois/trace-emai...

This page does a good job explaining what the stuff in the headers means-> http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html

Once you know for sure what the IP address of the person that sent the mail - you can determine the service provider and they can tell you from where the person logged in.

In general - assumimg no tampering with the email document itself (email is just text, notepad can edit a file - change the IP address within the file on the local hard drive...but not at the recipients end without collusion.)

In general - an IP address can provide a location as to where the email was sent. If you know you have the true IP address.

Its not within the scope of ordinary that the files will be edited however.

Hope that helps. Problem is we don't know how the guy determined it was sent from there. Did investigators look further into the details or go by what the hard drive contents were?

Even if they only went by hard drive contents - it takes some experience to send the email from elsewhere and cover it up - plus it requires at least a collusive presence at the computer to place a "Sent Items.dbx" file or "Sent" for them to be found later. So looking at the hard drive tells that at least someone was there that either innocently sent the mail from that very computer - or wanted it to look that way, but still had to actually use that very computer.

whiston wrote:

if Maura had a job it was reported on mrMurays tax return and i assume she was paid by check.

Not unless the Mr. Murray you are refering to was a husband of Maura - and I don't think that's the situation.

sophie bean wrote:

Thanks, Whiston, for concurring about the VT plates.
As nearly as I can tell, the Saturn has been in Twin Mountain for at least two years. For part of that time, I believe that it was inside the fence, but when I first saw it - and then I did identify it as a black Saturn, because it was in a slightly different place than it is now - it was outside the fence. It appears to be outside the fence now.
Unless I'm completely mistaken, it has not been at Lavoie's and was not "signed over" unless they gave it back, or it was taken back.
The question of why the Saturn was not destroyed and why, if - as many insist - it's not part of an ongoing criminal investigation - it's still in NHSP's lot, though not secured...well, those questions aren't answered, but their existence says a lot to me.

Seems odd to keep a piece of evidence just out in the open like that. Not sure why the car would be destroyed if it were evidence however.

Sophie/Whiston..quick note..a thought before I lose it...I swear I recall that "Fred got in the car and started it right up"(at Lavoies)...Now I
don't know if that was Wednesday 2/11/04 (:"he arrived before dawn"...or when...but, I do remember "turning it over to Lavoies for towing/storage fees..bizarre.
Also, and I beg for correction... I joined in the Spring 2005....and I think that the car was still at Lavoies.....? Maybe it was June 05,that car was transported to F Troop field...? Bizarre
Please, those of you with a better memory...?(or better notes)

However..really ..what does it matter....I would really like to know is the moment/day that light finally dawned on LE that perhaps maybe
Maura really wasn't a runaway suicidal drunk..Maybe they misjudged the situation...? and should take this seriously..?.I dunno...
There is a Criminal Investigation.?..so a crime happened..? Hello..?

These are, and have been, my thoughts and feelings....

One last chime in tonight, as it is 1:23 a.m. here. Was there insurance on the car? IF there was, the insurance company would pay the tow and storage. Any thoughts?

Half Moon, I see that there is another "back to basics" one here..I never did understand Fred just discharging the vehicle...it had to be insured and registered under his name in MA... I even asked, never got an answer, as to whether he signed over the title to Lavoies...The only thing I can think of is that he was in a state...a state of sorrow,confusion and bewilderment. If he didn't sign off of Title..then the car is still legally his....unless..unless...the SP leaglly confiscated mv for evidence.... Still there should be a paper trail..of mv transactions/transfers.
I also asked, never got an answer, as to how long
Maura had had the car...only because I drive an oil drinking Saturn...I wanted to know the mileage
sticker in the upper left windshield corner... to
last oil change...we have "assumed" a 146-150
mile drive from Amherst to Swiftwater.
Odometer reading minus Title mileage reading would
give some info. Minimal, however...something.

Half Moon wrote:

Elsewherebriefly,Thank you so much. I am not an intruder just an observer. I will do some more research. I have looked over some of those sights and from the things I have read here, everyone is on the same page. All the thoughts that I wondered if anyone was thinking yet, you all have thought of. The one question I have of you before I go on is, does Maura's mom have anything to back up her feeling that she is alive? Oh and one more question, does ANYONE here think she is alive?
I will leave you all alone until I have done more homework, but again thank you for the info.

I believe that Maura is still here with us at least until June 06.

Another observation regarding the man I saw Maura with. IF he is a painter, he only paints inside as he has NO tan.

Eurobserver wrote:
I´m thinking of the sighting of the Maura look-alike in that convenience store in NH in 2006, as mentioned on Wikipedia and also here on this forum and on the ex-MMM board.
Ruled out resolu-shawn

With NO explanation as to why!!!

gvmeabrk wrote:

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Another observation regarding the man I saw Maura with. IF he is a painter, he only paints inside as he has NO tan.

Couldnt sleep, hope I did this quote thing right. Did I miss something, in the parts that I HAVE read? Did gvmebrk see Maura?

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

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Not unless the Mr. Murray you are refering to was a husband of Maura - and I don't think that's the situation.

if she was still considered a dependent (ful time student), wouldn't it be reported on Fred's tax return?

whiston wrote:

hi Sophie .i think it was reported on the MMM. forum that mrMurray signed over the saturn to Lavoies to cover storage and towing fees.if this is the case it was then taken by NHSP .when this happened i dont know.if there were mounting storage fees i assume it was a while after it was towed there. of course this could be more tea and crumpets that were posted on the old forum just to hide when nhsp actually took the car.it could have been eaxamined the same night or next day i dont know.maybe this explains why mrMurray and Billy were not allowed to see the car right away.take care bring on the attack cousins philip

I still do not understand why you think there were "tea and crumpets" and that the old forum has anything they are willfully hiding and lying about.

I am not attacking you when I say this, whiston, I am simply trying to understand your rationale for thinking this. I know you will bring up that you have unanswered questions--rest assured, we ALL have unanswered questions, some of which have been asked repeatedly.

You also say that the family is the one who has deemed things unimportant or irrelevant. Perhaps this is not the case. Perhaps they are simply the vehicle for the announcement, since LE and investigators do not (as a rule, sorry weeper! you're the exception) generally post on message boards. Perhaps that is a matter, rather than of secrecy and intrigue, of the family trying to steer the discussion in a direction they have been told to believe is more fruitful.

That is to say, perhaps they're not trying to hide anything or lie to us (I for one would be rather offended if someone repeatedly called me a liar because I chose not to discuss something I had every right not to discuss--and may have even been TOLD not to discuss) perhaps they're simply trying to keep the discussion on topic.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> if she was still considered a dependent (ful time student), wouldn't it be reported on Fred's tax return?

She very likely would have been. I don't think it's a legal obligation, but very likely the case, if she were in fact a legal dependent. That has to do not only with student-ness, but also, of course, with age.

My question is....where is that line of thinking going? Why are we trying to determine this? I'm not questioning relevance per se so much as trying to follow.

Shack wrote:

I would really like to know is the moment/day that light finally dawned on LE that perhaps maybe Maura really wasn't a runaway suicidal drunk..Maybe they misjudged the situation...? and should take this seriously..?.I dunno...

Have they really determined that she wasn’t a runaway/suicidal/drunk? How would anyone know that for sure without knowing exactly what happened. Is L.E. actually saying that? I hear that there may be a criminal investigation. Wouldn’t drunk driving alone technically make it a criminal investigation? Allowing them to still investigate what currently cannot be shown to be anything more than a missing person’s case at this point. Some people may be making assumptions that they shouldn’t.

Bill