Where is MAURA MURRAY

Emily wrote:

If you had, say, more than one expensive car, maybe you would have a way of transporting them?

Anything is possible with money.

Who was that coach from Delray? Tony something, I think. And the guy with the father-in-law in Wisconsin? Nice guy(s). Real nice guy(s). Saying stuff like "Don't mess with me." And, "You'll pay for this the rest of your life." Such bad talk.

But I must have deserved it because my skirt was too short. At least that’s what the PI’s from Litchfield told me. Then the real cops said the same thing.“You bring it on yourself. Your skirt’s too short. You keep making yourself the victim. Now don’t come back or you’ll be in real trouble.”

Wow, Lots of posts must have been deleted. HMMM
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Well, its late and it took me 45 minutes to type out the questions regarding my seeing Maura. Lost somewhere in topix airwaves. Will redo tomorrow.

I kind of doubt she was using her room for anything more than a closet. And since it's unlikely she could have had a second dorm room, seems reasonable she was spending her nights off campus. And if she didn't go to her high rise closet Thursday night (early Friday morning) - but DID have a roommate - and since her car was SUPPOSED to be parked, according to the sticker, way over in almost the next town, seems reasonable to think she walked to some nearby location she felt comfortable going to at that late hour, all upset. Like someplace not too far away. Like maybe where the phone call came from. Like maybe where her car was parked. No, it wasn't a bar, they were already closed. And I don't think it was Kinko's. So that leaves some kind of off-campus housing.

I don't have enough time to explain now - but I'm pretty sure Weeper was NOT misleading anybody.

I saw a comment to that effect.

Also - unless a body is found -(if she is dead) that it can only be a best guess (Educated Guess to a degree I cannot judge) that she is by any investigative team.

Tried to find the site that Bobfather had submitted a long time ago the signs on 91...couldn't find it...
but, did find this ...just trying to see it as Maura might have...(although it was dark that Feb. night)

http://www.okroads.com/guides/i91vt.html

To all, if I may

Part 1 of 2

With reference to Saturn’s final resting place in the snow bank and the witnesses’ statements to Sgt. Smith within the first half hour of the incident. There has always been speculation as to the identity of the driver of the Saturn that evening for the following reasons. The first witnesses, the Westmans, initially stated they heard acceleration then a loud “thud” and when they looked out their window they saw a woman sitting in the passenger seat with the door open smoking a cigarette. Most of us agreed that it was more likely Maura attempting to use her cell phone that caused the “glowing” effect that the Westmans assumed to be a cigarette since Maura didn’t smoke. It now seems probable that the person the Westmans identified as a woman was based on their observation of a person with long hair sitting in the front passenger side of the Saturn. It wasn’t until two years later that we determined the front end damage to the Saturn didn’t occur at the curve near the Weathered Barn and that damage was the result of an “overhang” object. Please bear with me here, this “assumption” that Maura was the person the witnesses saw may have been a mistake. The Westmans stated what they saw and may have been convinced the person was in fact Maura or at least a female by all the media coverage and the family and searchers. They are good honest people who did everything they could to help find the poor girl. They said they stopped watching when Mr. Atwood showed up with the school bus shortly thereafter.

Now we come to the second witness “on scene” who was much closer to the Saturn than anyone else that night, while it was occupied. We all have heard the many variations of what he stated about what was said to him and what he claims to have seen. Over the years the media, police and everyone else continues to quote Mr. Atwood’s version of events from that evening because it all seemed to fit, on the surface. However, his actions that evening were very peculiar to his neighbors. One action in particular stands out, the way he parked the bus that evening. He backed the bus all the way up beside the house to an outbuilding and after a brief moment when he went into the house and told his live in girlfriend what happened (she was in fact the person who called the Grafton County Sherriff’s Department) he went back out and sat in the bus until Sgt. Smith walked down and spoke to him through the open door. To grasp the oddity of this action (as his neighbor did that evening) we need to understand that his girlfriend also drove a full size school bus and they always parked them in front of the house where the State installed a large floodlight (just like a street light on a public street) right on his property at the intersection with Bradley Hill Road. Had he parked his bus in it’s “usual” parking spot he would have had a clear, unobstructed view all the way up to the stranded Saturn, 560 feet (I measured it). He also claimed to have seen several vehicles pass that intersection but couldn’t identify any of them. He had never parked his bus like this, before or after, since that evening. This witness’s statements and actions leave a lot to the imagination. Mr. Atwood knows a lot more about what happened that evening but he’s not talking, especially to our investigators. He may have given LE different statements but those documents are not available to the public or the PI Team (as I said before, we don’t want them nor do we need them).

Part 2 of 2

The reason for my posting this information is in the hopes that Ben Franklin can factor some of this information into his previous analysis (which I find to be very interesting by the way Ben, thank you). Also consider this, when shown a photograph of Maura, Mr. Atwood stated “well it looks like her but her hair was down”. This statement in and of itself covers any other witness statement that they saw a woman in the vehicle that evening, the identifier being the “long hair”. This is what I meant by a “Maura look-alike”(to the Westmans, not Atwood), a man with long hair. If you are going to ask me if I believe Mr. Atwood was lying when he talked to the media and the police, my answer would be yes. It wasn’t a mistake, it was a deliberate deception. Remember also when Sgt. Smith arrived and spoke with the Westmans, he asked them if they had “seen where the female from the Saturn had gone” and they told him they hadn’t, he asked that question because it was Mr. Atwood’s girlfriend who called and told Grafton County dispatch that her “husband” asked her to call about a female having run off the road. That statement from Sgt. Smith indicated believed it was a female and the Westmans assumed it was a female smoking in the front passenger seat of the Saturn when initially they thought it was a man. This is a long post, but you all wanted a bit of information and this is just one component of an investigation, analyzing witness statements. I do not, nor have I ever, believe Sgt. Smith was in any way connected to Maura’s disappearance. His filling out and filing of the “official public accident report” may have been flawed and inaccurate but not done so with any malicious intent.

Respectfully
Weeper

Weeper, It's about time you showed up here.....You always
hit upon the "beginning basics":...the beginning that I DO remember. The basic neighborhood of the site of the "incident". And, yes the
difference in the "backing in of bus". IMO, SBD inflated ego.
For years we have done the dance of supposition...just before and right after..never quite daring to mention SBD/CW/trailer/
SP Monxxxx/RO/Red truck/JM....etc....
We all did at first....then poof...tippy toe...gotta be careful...!!
This is MY own feeling...if all or some know what/who re: Conrad murder...and can't "prove it" ...who is to say that this is not so, for Maura...But, we know that somebody knows.
I do remember Smith asking Westman's "where's the girl....etc"?
I remember Smith stating about rag in tailpipe "something they do in MA"
Huh? I don't feel anyone will disagree that he didn't want this situation in his town that night. Then followed up with the attempted suicide at power lines.....Not a good night for HPD.
I remember SBD stating he had been with LE....etc...wrong....

Anyway, you know where I stand...no changes.

"Trust and Obey" is a hymn....not a way of life within my thoughts regarding local
government or LE.

Kibbles n Bits

gvmeabrk wrote:

Well, its late and it took me 45 minutes to type out the questions regarding my seeing Maura. Lost somewhere in topix airwaves. Will redo tomorrow.

Hello gvmeabrk,

So sorry to learn of your troubles there after all the time and effort spent on your post.
Many thanks for trying again, as I´m sure all of us here would appreciate learning more about your sighting of Maura and the man.
And yes, I believe that you may well actually have seen the real Maura...
Euro

Odd what about the other neighbors who have
stated the Atwoods Buses where parked in their
normal spots?
Neighbor unlike Weepers source who actually
where outside that night.
You are being lead down a garden path of CRAP
FOLKS!

Weeper wrote:

Part 2 of 2
The reason for my posting this information is in the hopes that Ben Franklin can factor some of this information into his previous analysis (which I find to be very interesting by the way Ben, thank you). Also consider this, when shown a photograph of Maura, Mr. Atwood stated “well it looks like her but her hair was down”. This statement in and of itself covers any other witness statement that they saw a woman in the vehicle that evening, the identifier being the “long hair”. This is what I meant by a “Maura look-alike”(to the Westmans, not Atwood), a man with long hair. If you are going to ask me if I believe Mr. Atwood was lying when he talked to the media and the police, my answer would be yes. It wasn’t a mistake, it was a deliberate deception. Remember also when Sgt. Smith arrived and spoke with the Westmans, he asked them if they had “seen where the female from the Saturn had gone” and they told him they hadn’t, he asked that question because it was Mr. Atwood’s girlfriend who called and told Grafton County dispatch that her “husband” asked her to call about a female having run off the road. That statement from Sgt. Smith indicated believed it was a female and the Westmans assumed it was a female smoking in the front passenger seat of the Saturn when initially they thought it was a man. This is a long post, but you all wanted a bit of information and this is just one component of an investigation, analyzing witness statements. I do not, nor have I ever, believe Sgt. Smith was in any way connected to Maura’s disappearance. His filling out and filing of the “official public accident report” may have been flawed and inaccurate but not done so with any malicious intent.
Respectfully
Weeper

Hey Shack,
Come on since you have stalked all out there
tell the KIDS what COLOR and MAKE Weeper's
neighbor with so much insightful information DRIVES come I'm sure I'm not the ONLY ONE
WHO FINDS IT interesting!

Shack wrote:

Weeper, It's about time you showed up here.....You always
hit upon the "beginning basics":...the beginning that I DO remember. The basic neighborhood of the site of the "incident". And, yes the
difference in the "backing in of bus". IMO, SBD inflated ego.
For years we have done the dance of supposition...just before and right after..never quite daring to mention SBD/CW/trailer/
SP Monxxxx/RO/Red truck/JM....etc....
We all did at first....then poof...tippy toe...gotta be careful...!!
This is MY own feeling...if all or some know what/who re: Conrad murder...and can't "prove it" ...who is to say that this is not so, for Maura...But, we know that somebody knows.
I do remember Smith asking Westman's "where's the girl....etc"?
I remember Smith stating about rag in tailpipe "something they do in MA"
Huh? I don't feel anyone will disagree that he didn't want this situation in his town that night. Then followed up with the attempted suicide at power lines.....Not a good night for HPD.
I remember SBD stating he had been with LE....etc...wrong....
Anyway, you know where I stand...no changes.
"Trust and Obey" is a hymn....not a way of life within my thoughts regarding local
government or LE.
Kibbles n Bits

Hello all,

Now, please, correct me if I´ve got it all wrong, but if I´m not completely mistaken Weeper implies the following:

1.The SBD (A-d) is lying and is, more or less, in collusion with the perpetrator(s) responsible for a criminal act against Maura.

2.SBD saw and possibly spoke with a long-haired man by the Saturn at the Weathered Barn curve, whom he likely recognised,

3.There was no female person (Maura or a Maura look-alike) in/by the Saturn.

4. The way that SBP parked his schoolbus immediately after having stopped by the Saturn indicates that his normal "parking behaviour" did not apply this particular evening.

Now we have White Wash (a local contributor) who says that statement 4 is not a correct one.

I would be very interested to hear more from White Wash about this particular point.

Thanks!

I looked at the documents again and this is how I interpret what I looked at for whatever use this is. I’m sure this will be lost in the following storm coming but here it is.

Page 1

Used 04-15-AC Interpreted as year the 2004 the 15th accident report written in the department as this is a default setting according to Weeper and makes sense.
Accident occurred on 2/9/04 on a Monday at 7:27PM in the town of Woodsville.
No one killed or injured and only one vehicle involved.
Police notified at 7:35PM and arrived at 7:45PM
Ambulance arrived at 7:56PM
Accident occurred 500 feet west of Bradley Hill rd on Wild Ammonoosuc Rd.
Speed limit listed as 35 MPH.
Apparently a charge to Maura of “conduct after an accide”nt listed on form
What does M.V.R. Recom checked as Yes. Motor vehicle records recom? Don't know what recom means maybe someone else, weeper, Lt Tragg?
Driver information all listed as Maura including address and phone number.
Plate number and registered in MA plate type listed as PC (personal car?)
Make listed as Saturn (STRN) year 1996 with listed VIN and registered to Frederick Murray at same address but different phone number. Different font size on Fred’s phone number possibly indicating being entered on the report at a different time than rest of the report. Possible later information which would make sense.
Insurance information listed company and policy number.
The vehicle was towed by Lavoie’s to Lavoies
There is one occupant listed and that is Maura with same address and identical phone number as listed previously.
There are reference numbers 26 through 33 inclusive with codes whose meaning is not obvious.
There is no other information on occupants or witnesses which seems odd. Could that information been redacted?
Columns on left and right of form with entered numbers on page 1. Usually used as a type of check but I can’t seem to make sense out of it.

Page 2
Unit number 1 is listed with 12 indicating the front left of the vehicle listed as the probable point of impact. The front and left front of the vehicle is circled indicating the areas damaged.
The accident sketch lists north as being at the top of the sheet. Car is facing southerly in the eastbound lane with trees shown off of the roadside and tire impressions indicating an entrance by the front tires until contact with the trees and then a reflection of the vehicle returning to the roadway. This accident occurring between the house #4 and #70 Wild Ammonoosuc road.

I won’t go through the gist of the report as I consider that self explanatory.

Page 3
Lists the type of accident as with a fixed object and the object struck as a tree.
The vehicle type as an automobile and the direction as heading East.
Pre accident the vehicle was following the roadway when it went off the roadway beyond the shoulder. It is unknown what apparent contributing factors there may have been and no traffic controls were involved and the road is not physically divided i.e. 2 way traffic.
Question mark listed in Additional Roadway Features and also in the Road Alignment. Road condition was listed as normal and surface condition listed as dry. Her apparent physical condition is listed as had been drinking. There is listed as no apparent obscurement for the category of Vision obscurement. Vehicle defects listed as no apparent defect. Light was listed as Dark with no street light and weather as cloudy. It appears that block 26 lists vehicle occupied by one. Number 1 is circled. Occupants condition listed as unknown. Safety equipment usage by occupant/injured person is listed as airbag deployed by person of 21 years of age. Occupants/injured position is listed as driver who was not ejected and it is unknown what the location of the females most severe complaint was.

Bill - the essayist

By the way. What I have written may make the most sense if you are actually looking at the document as you read what is nothing more than my interpretation.

Bill

Which means the PI's did not see either the car itself or pictures of it for two years after it was towed from the crash scene. A blind person could see the car had overhang damage. The overhang damage must have been obvious to the cops immediately, at the scene. Thus the ambiguous report.

The ugly things said or implied about the bus driver are nonsense. This case is being "investigated" in Massachusetts.

WTF wrote:

Driver information all listed as Maura including address and phone number.

If there was no one at the scene, where did this information come from?

yankee wrote:

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If there was no one at the scene, where did this information come from?

I can only assume either from Fred or a computer inquiry or a combination. I am assuming that Fred was the first person that the police had contact with that would know who was in the car. That is also assuming that Maura's identification wasn't in the car but I never heard it was.

Bill

Maybe Mr. Valassis knows where it came from.