Where is MAURA MURRAY

Part II --- oh, this stupid long post got half lost since it was so long --- if you even READ it, if it doesn't make sense, it's TOPIX's fault! Man!

If the PI Team's conclusion is right that Maura was the victim of a homicide, and if it doesn't make sense that someone from Amherst "followed her" (one way or another) to NH, then the only relevance in her moods, the people worried about her behavior, etc., would be in terms of her judgment on her trip north.

So -- going with the PI Team's 151 (?) years of experience -- a collection of posters' ideas

----picking up a hitchhiker

----carjacking/abduction at her last stop for gas.

----being FORCED OFF THE ROAD several miles from the Weathered Barn...

----Maura being accidentally hit in the road and since it was NEAR the driver's house, she was put in the vehicle and moved elsewhere...(Now this is one idea that would jibe with the CW also reporting seeing Maura 5-6 miles away, running. If he accidentally hit a person in the road, you'd think he'd report it, unless he had stopped for some drinks on the way home from Franconia and didn't want a motor vehicle homicide. And then he stated he didn't see or hear anything that was going on down the road a little bit from his house throughout that 2-hour period with lots of police, fire, EMS, etc.... didn't he hear talk of Maura's disappearance SOMEWHERE before he finally reported it????) Hey - I don't even know if he's a drinker, but this is the only thing here that jumped out at me.)

----She walked or ran away from the last accident scene and was picked up quickly

----A good samaritan gave her a ride and later something happened to her further away ---- in that case it's unlikely LE would know the perp? And the good samaritan might have been high and didn't really remember doing this to report to police...

----She was going to visit an artist who had had an exhibition at "the gallery" she worked at? After an accident (or 2) she made it there and something went bad?

----A poster here suggested she was the kind of person who might be rushing up north to help someone she knew who was in trouble (was that you, Paris?). If she arrived there, then possibly whatever trouble that person was in, Maura was caught up in it too?(Means the other person didn't have anyone concerned with his or her well being/disappearance to report it.)

A crime planned in Amherst with a cast including a lookalike young woman? I vote no.

Dissociative fugue. Still vote no, but trying to be more open.

Poster said a psychic says Maura is in Littleton, MA?????????? Freaky because I spend a lot of time there!! There IS a rehab facility there that she could be working at.... and Emerson Hospital in Concord is only 20 minutes away... Robbins Brook Assisted Living is 10-15 min. away; MANY other rehabs, assisted living places, etc. within a short auto commute (no public transportation, I don't believe, except a commuter rail to Boston) of Littleton if Maura wanted to work helping others... don't know how they check IDs and backgrounds.

Guija wrote
No-one saw a vehicle that picked up the person or persons from the Saturn.

How do we know this is a FACT?

When I left the store after seeing Maura, I thought I was wrong because she and he said nothing while checking them out an no apparant discomfort in my doing so. I only knew it was Maura after Months had gone by and seeing her pict on news on 06. That is when I made contact with the MMM sight. I believe it is Maura and she is alive. Who and why they or he is holding her is the question.

Oops again. I made contact in o7. My husband asked me not to in 06. But it stayed on my mind and I just had to because I knew it to be true. He still does not know I made that contact.

Excellant job Quija. Nice work. Very well put together and compiled.

Bill

(I am not at Hayward) I echo Bill.

Elsewhere: as odd as this sounds - I don't think you should leave - and I'd be the first to say you have a right to be here. I was very sincere that your empathy is admirable. I still do.

I'd be hard pressed to believe that your purpose matched the result.

No one here is perfect - and I am not.

gvmeabrk wrote:

Guija wrote
No-one saw a vehicle that picked up the person or persons from the Saturn.
How do we know this is a FACT?
When I left the store after seeing Maura, I thought I was wrong because she and he said nothing while checking them out an no apparant discomfort in my doing so. I only knew it was Maura after Months had gone by and seeing her pict on news on 06. That is when I made contact with the MMM sight. I believe it is Maura and she is alive. Who and why they or he is holding her is the question.

Hello gvmeabrk,

Nice to see you back here onboard!

Since you have actually seen the young lady whom you feel certain is indeed Maura I would like to ask you to very kindly tell us a bit more about this sighting of yours.
As far as I know, you are the only person here on this forum and on the ex-MMM Forum that actually has seen a young lady who may well be Maura.

I know that you have described the sighting before, but I don´t seem able to trace those posts here on this forum right now, so I´m sure we would all be grateful for a recap from you, if you could spare the time.

May I ask if you noticed whether the young lady had "runner´s legs" (as specifically mentioned by the church witness in Barton,VT)?
What was her hair colour and hair style?
How was she dressed?

And as for the man:

I seem to recall having read somewhere that he had very pale skin and was quite muscular.
A body-builder type? Tattoed?
Age?
Other notable things about his appearance?

From other posts here on this forum it would seem that the man was later identified by LE.
Would that also mean that he was considered to be of no interest in the search for Maura?
This is all most confusing indeed.

The real questions here would seem to be:

1.Why was the young lady mouthing the words "help me"?

2.If she was indeed some kind of hostage why would the man even take the risk of bringing her into a public place, such as a shop?

3. Why didn´t the young lady actually make some kind of attempt to escape while in a public place?

It all seems highly upsetting in my mind and it certainly gives me the creeps.

Thank you for your help, gvmeabrk.

gvmeabrk wrote:

Guija wrote
No-one saw a vehicle that picked up the person or persons from the Saturn.
How do we know this is a FACT?
When I left the store after seeing Maura, I thought I was wrong because she and he said nothing while checking them out an no apparant discomfort in my doing so. I only knew it was Maura after Months had gone by and seeing her pict on news on 06. That is when I made contact with the MMM sight. I believe it is Maura and she is alive. Who and why they or he is holding her is the question.

Hi Gymeabrk,
I've wanted to try to explain my so-called reasoning to you for a long time because it always seems like I'm dismissing your experience of seeing Maura in the convenience store. Well, I'm not! All along I have held onto your sighting as well as the sighting at the church in Barton, VT.

I don't know what to think! The PI Team (a number of ex-LE guys with, I think a combined 151 years experience) has said several times that Maura is deceased, a homicide victim. For a long time I treated that as just another opinion until it finally sank in that this is a group of LE professionals and if their consensus, their best guess (or more than a guess, based on evidence we don't know about) is that Maura was a victim of homicide.... well, I think it's time to go with the professionals.(Until I/we start edging away from it again.)

Since we don't get to see the witness statements, all we've been told is that no-one saw Maura (or whomever was in the Saturn) get into a car and leave the scene. I agree with you that that is not a fact. I suspect there might be one neighborhood witness who may have seen something like this. But what we've been told is all we have to "go with", and you're right --- that's not good enough.

Again, I'm not dismissing your sighting. I just don't know how to reconcile these several good sightings with the PI team saying Maura was a homicide victim. This is an honest question: What do you think is going on? Are you thinking that there's a reason we're not supposed to know Maura is alive? I don't have a clue! So, why don't we talk about the possibilities? The best, Quija.

WTF wrote:

Excellant job Quija. Nice work. Very well put together and compiled.
Bill

Hey Bill,
Thanks. Where do we go from here if we accept as fact that Maura was a homicide victim? It would make most things useless to discuss, and also take us into territory that many of us aren't knowledgeable in (known local perps, etc.) I'm still having a hard time letting go of ALL the possibilities, you know? How do we evaluate whether the PIs' consensus is for real, a fact, or if it's part of the disinformation we've been advised (even by LE) to expect? I understand that for some of us (me included) there would be a helplessness in acknowledging that Maura was definitely killed, a victim of opportunity. The only thing to do in that case would be some kind of letter-writing campaign... So, how would you go about assessing the PIs' statements? Thanks in advance, Bill.

Hello Quija,

I very much tend to agree with what you´re writing in your two most recent posts.

For some reason, I seem quite unable to dismiss the possible Maura sightings in Barton,VT and in NH (by our friend gvmeabrk), despite all we are being told.

Without seeming like a conspiracy theorist:

Are we, as you write, perhaps meant to think that Maura is not alive?

Could she actually be in a kind of witness protection programme, as suggested at times on this board before?
I´m not conclusively dismissing that possibility, however outrageous it may seem to some...

Just checking in. I need to start dinner so I wiil answer you questions later this pm.

Also wanted to add that I will be checking with the clerk at the store to find out exactly how she was contacted by PI..In person or on phone. I have a few questions for her myself. She is the clerk that remembered the man I saw Maura with by description and he stopped going there at the same time of my seeing them June 06.

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello Quija,
I very much tend to agree with what you´re writing in your two most recent posts.
For some reason, I seem quite unable to dismiss the possible Maura sightings in Barton,VT and in NH (by our friend gvmeabrk), despite all we are being told.
Without seeming like a conspiracy theorist:
Are we, as you write, perhaps meant to think that Maura is not alive?
Could she actually be in a kind of witness protection programme, as suggested at times on this board before?
I´m not conclusively dismissing that possibility, however outrageous it may seem to some...

Hey Euro,
Yes, I'm having a hard time reconciling everything.

Is it misinformation that Maura was a victim of homicide? Are Weeper's facts real?

The mood of this forum has seemed (in my mind) downbeat for a while and there are lots of reasons for this. It was always irritating to get new facts sparingly, and THEN to be reminded that OF COURSE there are facts they're not going to release to the public... well, it's frustrating. And belittling in a way, since, although we ARE the public, we've been spending a lot more time analyzing the specifics of what was going on with Maura than the general public. It's worse knowing that some here do have additional facts. And it makes me wonder how long I can keep caring about a case in which we're we've actually been TOLD we're being played!(Disinformation.) We can care about MAURA, but at some point I know I'm going to stop turning over and over what might've happened when it sinks in that our thinking has been purposefully disabled to RUN ON ONLY 3 CYLINDERS.

[i've deleted the rest here; this is enough for today]

gvemeabreak and ouiija, I have never dismissed sightings of Maura, I wanted to speak on my own disarming sighting of possible Maura, but yet there is no body of Maura. It leaves all possibilities open in my opinion. We cannot proceed agressively with the facts at hand but we should remain open to many avenues concerning this case.

CAVEDUDE:

My last post, I was trying to answer a question you'd asked about the signage at the junction of 91/93 and whether or not Maura would have printed directions. Las Vegas is easy to follow signs to, because there's only one or two major highways that go there. It's a large city in the middle of...well, a desert.(I used to live out west, I know what you're talking about. You can follow signs there because there's maybe one interstate going into a city)

NH/VT isn't like that. And the signs up there at 91/93 are confusing as heck, in particular.

NO, I don't think chasing our tails is the right track. I think the right track is INTELLIGENT, CIVIL QUESTIONING. Thinking outside the box. It's never ok to attack someone. There's been a lot of really weird stuff posted on this board in the last 72 hours, so I can understand how you could be really confused. God knows I am. I'm just trying to sift through the nonsense and follow the basic thread.

Thanks for whatever transformation you've slowly undergone.....I can understand you better now, and know you're not necessarily a wacko troll. Frankly you came off as that at first. Now I have more faith.

(Not at Hayward now)

OK - I think I keep writing _Bennington_ instead of Burlington - but from what I read it says she got directions to _Burlington_.

Then I just checked if the drive from Amherst (e not u) would be different then from Amhurst.(u not e) No different from what I can see regarding that both directions I searched for again - show to take 89. 89 Intersects with 91.

I don't know why the concensus would be that she took 93 and not 91.

I don't know if you are answering 89 / 91 question - but the overall answer I think you have is that it doesn't matter - its confusing - so that's the answer.

I would say that it would be more likely for two Amhurst criminals that attacked and stole from Maura to look for directions rather then Maura herself.

But if you say that a person driving up Interstate 91 at the Intersection with Interstate 89 would not see a green sign labeled 89 North Burlington (Assume North Odd numbered Interstates less then 3 digits are North South) well then I think it reasonable she might need directions. to the City of Burlington. Once inside Burlington - yeah probably need them in any case.

Seems like her room wasn't slept in much, if at all, but was used like a closet.

According to reports, after the phone call she did not want to be escorted very far by her supervisor, and she said that she had a roommate. She did not have a roommate in the dorm.

So it's possible she went to some location other than her dorm room right after having received the call. If she was walking and distraught, late at night, then her destination might not have been very far from her dorm. Maybe the place where the call came from. Maybe the place where she might have been staying overnight. Maybe where her car was parked. Perhaps a nearby rental property of some kind.

Police have said that they know where the call came from, but not who made it. Could have been a phone booth, a dormitory, a frat house, a sorority, a shared apartment or rented house. If a house, then maybe the car was parked behind the house, out of sight.

However speculative (or remote) this may be, it certainly narrows it down to something less than...

Going a bit further, it might be worth seeing whether someone, who was visiting or lived within walking distance of the dorm, ordered a pizza from Bruno's around midnight. Or was delivering one.

Or maybe someone took the car and visited someone in the area of Cottage, Eames, Chestnut. And then instead of going down Gray St, whipped around in front of the high school, where a large pair of speed bumps set off the air bags, possibly causing the windshield to crack, especially if the windshield already had a small, barely noticeable crack in it to begin with.

Possibly something bad happened not far from the dorm. Inside. Out of sight.

Or maybe Jimmy Buffett has some ideas. If not him, then maybe one or two of his Parrot Heads from Connecticut.

Oh, hope my skirt wasn’t too short again. They been telling me for four years now I get what I deserve.

Or maybe on Monday afternoon some guy from Connecticut with a real fast expensive car was there.

Hey Firecat...it would have been 89/91 junction that has the confusing signs...White River Junction, VT (Lebanon, NH)....
where 89 heads NW, from 91) to Montpelier n Burlington. 91/93 don't come close until up around St.Johnsbury VT.
Also, it was determined that she did go 91
from Amherst...(timing and mileage)

Remember that Beth did extensive travel in that area ...and remarked that the signs were confusing.
I don't use 91..wonder if there is a sign "White Mts"..

If you had, say, more than one expensive car, maybe you would have a way of transporting them?

well, I did write a long post answering questions but it is not showing up!!!