Where is MAURA MURRAY

Citigirl
I want to be clear on one other point
the Goose Lane Witness states it was
a Bronco. Ford doesn't make a 4 door
Bronco it was an Explorer and it
has been located since being sold
at auction and photograph so I would
personally rule out Smith hitting the
car but that is my opinion.

citigirl wrote:

White Wash am I reading your posting correctly? 2 of the neighbors were told by Mr M he was not at home on the night of Feb.9th?

Yes there is a set of 3 tree together up
closer to the Maricottes almost middle
of that section of tree line.

gvmeabrk wrote:

I thought that the tree with the blue ribbon was not the place of accident was known. So, this would place the accident closer to Mr. M's home. Is this correct?

For goodness sake Whitewash, please take an evening course in Woodsville and familiarize yourself with the English language. Your writing makes you appear to be an imbecile and it isn't likely anyone will listen to your accusations. You do more harm than good in acting as a representative of the Haverhill area. It's painful to read your posts and try to figure out what in the world you are saying.
I'd be more forgiving if you were not trying to present hearsay as fact and all the while with a very nasty attitude. Grow up and go back to school.

Just from my experience Woodsville
Fire/Lavoies does try to clean up all
accidents sites.

Quija wrote:

Cave Dude, thanks for responding to a bunch of my questions, most of them re the SBD. It's interesting it's been questioned lately how the bus was usually parked. I thought this had been answered for years.
As you pointed out, I too doubt that the SBD had any plan (starting in Amherst! sure!) to hurt anyone, or a collaboration with a friend or ex-student to commit a crime. IMHO he seemed to have the wrong history, age, job, physique, geographical situation (virtually in front of his house), and I'm guessing he was just plain too tired to even think of anything but getting home.
I was wondering (as a poster did several years ago) if a long-haired boy was still on the bus with the SBD... and the SBD asked him to try to get the Saturn away from that hazardous spot? Alternately, when the SBD pulled up to the Saturn and the youth stood up into the snowbank, he recognized him and didn't want to ID him to LE --- even though the SBD had reason to believe the youth had stolen the car...? Would he lie for a youngster/criminal he knew? Was related to?
Weeper said the SBD lied and didn't see a girl; I hope someone here can think of a reason he would lie about that. You said, well, if he was guilty and wanted to cover himself. Guilty of what? It seems almost ludicrous and physically impossible for the SBD to have committed an abduction in that short time. What would he be guilty of, then, if that's the main reason for someone to lie? It's hard to find reasons that make sense.... these probably don't... Driving the bus after having had some drinks (as a poster suggested years ago --- while he waited for the busload of kids to be ready for the ride home)? Guilty for having "clipped" her Saturn at some point (with one youth left in the bus??) causing grave injury? It's too hard to keep a secret like that.
By the time searchers may have looked for debris 1-3 miles away, it could've been covered up or gone...
Anyway, thanks for responding. It guess lies are just for the usual guilt, fear, embarrassment, and so to cover himself. From what?

I actually have a College Degree!

That experience did teach me those
calling others imbeciles where just
making themselves look like well
imbeciles.

Maybe you should return to school to learn MANNERS of no that is something you should have learned prior to school.

Grammar check wrote:

For goodness sake Whitewash, please take an evening course in Woodsville and familiarize yourself with the English language. Your writing makes you appear to be an imbecile and it isn't likely anyone will listen to your accusations. You do more harm than good in acting as a representative of the Haverhill area. It's painful to read your posts and try to figure out what in the world you are saying.
I'd be more forgiving if you were not trying to present hearsay as fact and all the while with a very nasty attitude. Grow up and go back to school.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Yes there is a set of 3 tree together up closer to the Maricottes almost middle of that section of tree line.<quoted text>

It is interesting that on page two of the accident report that CS filled out. He explicitly shows the tire tracks heading into 3 trees. Seems interesting that he would exactly specify that unless he felt it was significant. Looks like someone who has an eye for detail.

Bill

Wow I am a imbecile! I never realized photographs and actual statements
are hear say!
Odd all court of laws I've been
involved in take such as evidence!

What an imecile I am sorry to waste
your time!

Just from your judgements received it
does imply others on this forum can
appreciate my passion for the case and
over look my short comings in not using
spell check and I thank you!

Grammar check wrote:

For goodness sake Whitewash, please take an evening course in Woodsville and familiarize yourself with the English language. Your writing makes you appear to be an imbecile and it isn't likely anyone will listen to your accusations. You do more harm than good in acting as a representative of the Haverhill area. It's painful to read your posts and try to figure out what in the world you are saying.
I'd be more forgiving if you were not trying to present hearsay as fact and all the while with a very nasty attitude. Grow up and go back to school.

OK - I've got some clarifications on what I said before.

When I was answering "Did Maura's Saturn at some other point hit the back of the SBD's bus?"

I should have been more specific saying that the question cannot be adequately answered because we have to speculate where this might of occurred.(I'm not ignoring your later helpful post Advocator.) Skewed lights would be noticeable but would that stop a driver willing to keep going on 3 cylynders?

Caveat Emptor on the 3 cylenders - later.

It was unfair for me to compare Mr. Atwood to a serial killer - that was not my intent - bad example - I should have just said - sometimes people do the unusual.

For those that like to talk about the 7:12 appearance. This cannot be the answer - the Westmans saw someone that was not a police officer - in the car LATER either smoking or on a cell phone.
So that whole discussion is just smoke - taking up space.

Now the most important thing I hace to say here.

The Westman's statement that they saw, after Mr. Atwood drove the bus away a flury of activity and someone standing at the trunk of the car is a CRITICAL statement.

First - Mr. Atwood is a large man - 350 pounds - they would be able to tell if it was him.

Second - Their statement sounds like someone was waiting while someone was retrieving things out of the car.

Third - an abductor wouldn't rummage through the car - an abductor has the abductee to deal with. This requires a second person to guard Maura and a third person to move the bus (or second person did both).

Now here is my honest opinion - I'm still not certain Maura made it out of Massachusetts alive. But if she did - looking at the details here - and if it is possible that another car was out of the line of sight of the Westmans - to me it looks like she was wisked away by someone she knew and trusted and this was all part of a plan.

The police are ruling it a suicide to protect against fraud. They must think she made it out of Amhert and that the investigation there was conclusive.

It is far more believeable that someone would be at the right place at the right time if that was their plan - then for a serial killer to just happen to be at the place at the right time without a plan.

OK - you might think that the killer was hovering somewhere in the background - lets look at that - how far away from the Atwood home does it come out of sight? Also if the home was within sight - couldn't the hovering car also be seen?

Prior knowledge that the car will be left there precludes the requirement to observe it - but does not preclude the requirement to not be observed by the bus driver.

Oh yeah, Emily - your cards are showing

Grammar Check,

I neglected to take into consideration that the majority of what she/Whitewash/Photogirl has stated on this forum is in fact hearsay, thanks for putting my mind at ease.

The fact that this local knows more about the investigation than Maura's own family is still very wrong on so many levels.

Thank you.

I try to pay attention to details that are important when I am not being an
imecile who can't use spell checker!

My son tells me it's better to know a little about a lot than a lot about a little!

WTF wrote:

<quoted text>
It is interesting that on page two of the accident report that CS filled out. He explicitly shows the tire tracks heading into 3 trees. Seems interesting that he would exactly specify that unless he felt it was significant. Looks like someone who has an eye for detail.
Bill

FireCat wrote:

<quoted text>
Cave Dude--to whom or what was this referring?

Emily

WHITE WASH wrote:

First off Fred probably wouldn't have been a PAI if he pop by and said hey I'm Fred Murray my daughter is missing
mind if I look around!
Second The Westman wake up one day to find their BARN AND FIELD filled with
cars and people for the Circle of Hope
probably would have been a NICE GESTURE
TO INVITE THEM wouldn't you SAY?
Further more let's talk about the free and discounted rooms at the Wells River
Motel for Mr. Murray to refer to others in the Swiftwater area as "I'm staying at Nim Wits" you know how to reach me!
So take your POOR POOR ME PIA and shove it!
Many Many Many step up to help and Give
and YOU NEVER GIVE THOSE CREDIT those who spent hours searching ect,food,services time!
You hear ONE RUNT and RUN WITH IT driving the POOR FOLKS OF THIS AREA into the GROUND!
Let's talk about the last big search while the FAMILY was trying to do interviews YOU INTERUP WITH I'M GOING TO THE LIQUOR STORE want anything!
What that PAINTS A VERY NICE IMAGE TO THE MEDIA doesn't it?
Guess what SHACK THE OLE VINGAR AIN'T WORKING SHOULD HAVE TRIED HONEY FROM DAY ONE! TAKE YOUR BOTTLE AND ENJOY!
You take bits and pieces and SPIN THEM INTO an AMAZING WEB so BS!
For all wearing ROSE COLOR GLASSES PASS ON FOR THOSE WHO TRULY WANT TO FIND HER
keep THINKING AND SHARING take what works LEAVE what doesn't!

OK, White Wash, Paragraph 1 ... so we know Fred's presentation doesn't meet your requirements.

Paragraph 2 ... At the Circle of Hope the Westman's graciously gave permission for people to use the red barn parking lot, directed by LE, asking only that no one block in their vehicle.

Paragraph 3 ... Fred is a hilariously funny man ... it is his saving grace at times in this tragic situation. May I remind you his daughter has vanished. He did refer to Diane as Nim Wit ... most often to her face! You're starting no trouble here. He is so notorious for nicknames that someone from 20/20 called back to find out if he had graced them with one, and, if so, what it was.

Rooms were payed for ... with sweat and tears. Trust me the "M Gang" are not a wealthy people but they pay their way. Had there been any discounted rooms that would be between the Motel owners and the family. Not to worry, that does not include you. You are visciously out of line, along with wrong.

You underestimate your own "locals" up there in the North Kingdom. After more that 4 1/2 years Fred repeatedly recieves e-mails from people offering free lodging, accommadations or free use of cottages at any time he wishes. Many thank you's go on behind the scenes. Fred and his family have many kind and wonderful supporters and contacts in your area. You just don't see the big picture behind the scenes.

You say, "You hear ONE RUNT and RUN WITH IT driving the POOR FOLKS OF THIS AREA into the GROUND!" I say, "Please spare me the untrue melodrama."

Show some sensitivity ... please take up your hostility with Shack in private. It has no place here, does it?

Let us get back to the matter at hand ... finding Maura.

On page 274, post #5507 I asked you questions ...
you have not answered. Do you think you could answer the questions below?

"White Wash ... What are the credentials you hold to have had access to the so called paper work you say you have seen?

Are you sure you've seen photo's from the night the car was found or have you been duped into thinking the Bernie Marvin photo's were taken that night?

Obviously, Sgt. Smith never filled out the accident report until, I believe, February 15th of 2004.

What credentials do you hold that would allow you access to original photos in an ongoing investigation? Are you LE?"

Thank You

Eurobserver wrote:

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Hello Citigirl & all,
I was just having a close look at an aerial/satellite photo of the area around the Weathered Barn curve.
I haven´t thought about this before, but it would seem that the W-man´s would hardly have been able to see much of Maura´s car from their house without going out into their garden or to the side of the 112.
According to Weeper´s information Maura´s car must have come to a stop somewhere much closer to the M-tte house about halfway between the W-man´s and the SBD house.
I also read the post by Whitewash as if Mr M-tte was not at home on the night of Maura´s incident/accident. Previously, I´ve always been led to believe that he was indeed at home.
If not so, who then was the purported witness in the M-tte house? Mrs M? Somebody else? Nobody?

Yes the accident was closer to the M's house. Euro I don't even know what to think any more concerning Mr. M. I have told you my conversation with him. Also in the first or second week after Maura's disappearnce a friend of the family spoke with him and he said that SBD stayed on the bus for an unusally long time and that he thought he was calling 911 from the bus.

Caveman wrote:

*yawn*
Lets see - we have a self created catastrophe and an admonishment of someone that probably doesn't even look at this message board.

Emilybriefly, you crack me up.

Logic! The last refuge of a scoundrel!

Caveman Dude,

Emilybriefly........lol....... .I knew in good time I'd come out smelling like a rose.

I forget to mention in my prior posts. Thanks again for the nice compliment.

I would ask the University for your money back. As soon as an employer sees your writing ability as well as listening to your speech, which is likely similar, you're not likely to find easy placement. Spell check is for spelling. You can't seem to figure out where sentences begin and end,use proper punctuation,capitalization,abb reviations, proper nouns, plural nouns, personal possessives, etc. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were new to the English language. I'm talking about things perfected in 5th grade for goodness sake. If my children graduated 8th grade without writing better, I'd sue the town for my taxes back.
Really

ha ha ha. I didn't use a space after my commas! ARRGGHH, It's contagious. I'd better go back to shool.lol

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Grammar Check,
I neglected to take into consideration that the majority of what she/Whitewash/Photogirl has stated on this forum is in fact hearsay, thanks for putting my mind at ease.
The fact that this local knows more about the investigation than Maura's own family is still very wrong on so many levels.
Thank you.

Elsewherebriefly
If I read WHITEWASH correctly it is mainly through her own investigation that she makes her/his points and talking with the witnesses. Well, except seeing the pictures that others have not seen. If that is what you are referring to.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Citigirl
I want to be clear on one other point
the Goose Lane Witness states it was
a Bronco. Ford doesn't make a 4 door
Bronco it was an Explorer and it
has been located since being sold
at auction and photograph so I would
personally rule out Smith hitting the
car but that is my opinion.
<quoted text>

It's never been thought of or ruled in as a possibility. I don't believe Smith hit Maura's car either.

I should add on Post#5596

Which still does not make WHITEWASH's statement facts..