Where is MAURA MURRAY

WHITE WASH wrote:

Wow I am a imbecile! I never realized photographs and actual statements
are hear say!
Odd all court of laws I've been
involved in take such as evidence!
What an imecile I am sorry to waste
your time!
Just from your judgements received it
does imply others on this forum can
appreciate my passion for the case and
over look my short comings in not using
spell check and I thank you!
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How can one see the passion you have for this case when your calling the father of a missing daughter a PAI?

I doubt being call idiotic names will ever stop The Murray family. Especially Mr Murray. Thank God.

Elsewhere,
If LE has given information to someone with the obvious emotional immaturity that she does possess, as has been displayed here many times, that would not reflect well on them. She suggests officials working on this investigation are leaking details to her of an ongoing criminal investigation with a 75% chance of prosecution. Hmmnn, let's ponder that for a moment.......

PAI oh no! I mean PIA. can't get me grammer check I corrected myself.

There is a difference between being passionate about a case and being a malicious...you fill in the blank.

Grammar check wrote:

Elsewhere,
If LE has given information to someone with the obvious emotional immaturity that she does possess, as has been displayed here many times, that would not reflect well on them. She suggests officials working on this investigation are leaking details to her of an ongoing criminal investigation with a 75% chance of prosecution. Hmmnn, let's ponder that for a moment.......

Yikes, I missed the part about leaking info to her.

WHITE WASH wrote:

First off Fred probably wouldn't have been a PAI if he pop by and said hey I'm Fred Murray my daughter is missing
mind if I look around!
Second The Westman wake up one day to find their BARN AND FIELD filled with
cars and people for the Circle of Hope
probably would have been a NICE GESTURE
TO INVITE THEM wouldn't you SAY?
Further more let's talk about the free and discounted rooms at the Wells River
Motel for Mr. Murray to refer to others in the Swiftwater area as "I'm staying at Nim Wits" you know how to reach me!
So take your POOR POOR ME PIA and shove it!
Many Many Many step up to help and Give
and YOU NEVER GIVE THOSE CREDIT those who spent hours searching ect,food,services time!
You hear ONE RUNT and RUN WITH IT driving the POOR FOLKS OF THIS AREA into the GROUND!
Let's talk about the last big search while the FAMILY was trying to do interviews YOU INTERUP WITH I'M GOING TO THE LIQUOR STORE want anything!
What that PAINTS A VERY NICE IMAGE TO THE MEDIA doesn't it?
Guess what SHACK THE OLE VINGAR AIN'T WORKING SHOULD HAVE TRIED HONEY FROM DAY ONE! TAKE YOUR BOTTLE AND ENJOY!
You take bits and pieces and SPIN THEM INTO an AMAZING WEB so BS!
For all wearing ROSE COLOR GLASSES PASS ON FOR THOSE WHO TRULY WANT TO FIND HER
keep THINKING AND SHARING take what works LEAVE what doesn't!

Did say hey I'm Fred Murray my daughter is missing. Free rooms? Guess you haven't seen our reciepts. Buisnesses did offer free rooms for the PI's and k9 searchers for the october 06 search. We did give those credit for searching and any donations recieved. Helena asked Brian Flagg of the North Country news to thank everyone on behalf of the Murray family as well as other media that was present on that weekend. I have posted on the MMM site my gratitude and thanks toward the many people in that area that have helped in searching,donations, support,or a kind word Etc.Many we have personally been able to thank. I wish I could personally thank all. There are alot of good caring people in the north country. So don't say we are ungrateful because that is a false fact.

yankee wrote:

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How could anyone not see this as insulting?
It must be nice to be so superior.

It probably is nice, but I wouldn't know, LOL. See, when I read that I focused on the relatives of hers she was mentioning, who I believe were from VT. I can see how those of you from Haverhill could take offense to that if you were focusing on the other end of the sentence, sure.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Maybe it's the friendship rose colored
glasses that make it impossible for you
to see!
Those of us who live here and deal on a daily bases with Shacks Family have different opinions supported by her "own kin" so
let's agree to disagree and stop!
We keep getting DERAILED BY THIS WOMAN
EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES OUT THAT
SHE DOESN'T BELIEVE OR AGREE WITH!
MOVE FORWARD despite what she says there ARE MANY WHO WANT THIS SOLVED!
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Actually, it was the sinus medicine, more than likely. As I just posted above, I glossed over the reference to Haverhill, and I apologize. I can certainly see how one could find that insulting. The fact that I don't think it wasn't Shack's INTENTION to lump together the entire citizenry of Haverhill, as she continuously states, isn't going to be met well, but it's still what I think.

Regardless, if you read it at face value, I can see where you might have been insulted. And you obviously were. And I'm sorry for that.(I'm not apologizing, because it's not my place, but I am apologizing for not seeing earlier how you could have been.)

I'm done with it. I've got lots of reading to catch up on--busy day here today. Hope something good comes of it.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Firecat this is after Maura disappeared. I'am a distant cousin of Maura's and began traveling up north in search of Maura in March of 04.

Thanks. So it's POSSIBLE that he BEGAN parking this way on a regular basis, if he hadn't before. For some unknown, possibly unrelated, maybe totally random reason.

Or maybe for an actual reason.

TO RECONFIRM THAT FOR FOLKS: the fact that Citigirl has seen the bus parked that way on a regular basis does not in any way contradict Weeper's evidence by eyewitness statement that prior to Maura's disappearance he'd "never parked that way before."

Emily wrote:

The subtext of the word "subtext" is that those who use the word "subtext" are much smarter than those who do not use the word "subtext." Subtext readers are so smart that they can see things that townies cannot possibly comprehend. Subtext readers even have very specialized vocabularies, acquired in high falutin' colleges, to distinguish themselves, and those they defend, from those who need to have the subtext of an insult pointed out to them.
Pointing out the "subtext" is just another way of insulting people - and trying to deny it in the same breath. Go to the local bar and tell them about their subtext. I don't think THAT subtext will be lost on them.

Yah, actually, in bars it's called "naw, that's not what he meant, cuz I know the guy."

The reason sometimes this particular user uses the word "subtext" is because she assumed that the person whom she was addressing was at least of equal intelligence and would know what she was talking about.

And for the record, I am only gown in one location. At my residence I am town. So get off your goddamned UMass high horse Alden.

Seeper wrote:

Get thee to a Knitting Factory!

Scusi?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Off duty or not, HPD shouldn't be discussing anything about an active investigation with anyone outside of law enforcement!
I sincerely hope that I am not the only one who is disturbed by this.

You're not the only one disturbed by this, if the information isn't public knowledge or cleared to become so.

It's a dodgy subject, because while we clamor for information, we also recognize that releasing information prematurely may be dangerous, either to Maura or the investigation, or to a possible future conviction.

So yeah, it's disturbing. Because I don't know what to make of the release of the info--to say nothing of the info itself.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Just from my experience Woodsville
Fire/Lavoies does try to clean up all
accidents sites.
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Damn. The one time when it would be HELPFUL for them to be sloppy.

And that wasn't an indication or an accusation that fire OR Lavoie's usually is. I just meant in general. The one time it would be helpful for SOMEONE to be sloppy. Sorry--as soon as I posted that, I realized it wasn't clear.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Wow I am a imbecile! I never realized photographs and actual statements
are hear say!

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Photographs and statements are absolutely NOT hearsay, and I don't think that's what the poster intended to imply. I think what the poster was intending to imply was that your postings here about them would HAVE to by nature be hearsay, unless you showed us the statements or photographs.

The photos and sworn affadavits AREN'T hearsay, your comments about them ARE. That's why they bring those little baggies of evidence and the people who took the sworn statements into court, White Wash, as you presumably well know.

Caveman wrote:

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Emily

Thanks. I couldn't tell because of the post it immediately followed.

And yes, I've agreed with some of your replies to Emily wholeheartedly in the past few pages.

FireCat wrote:

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Thanks. So it's POSSIBLE that he BEGAN parking this way on a regular basis, if he hadn't before. For some unknown, possibly unrelated, maybe totally random reason.
Or maybe for an actual reason.
TO RECONFIRM THAT FOR FOLKS: the fact that Citigirl has seen the bus parked that way on a regular basis does not in any way contradict Weeper's evidence by eyewitness statement that prior to Maura's disappearance he'd "never parked that way before."

What was said by Weeper, back on the old forum, is what was different on this night is that SBD backed in the bus ALL THE WAY to the small garage that is located next to the house.

Normally, from what I understand, the furthest he would back it in, was alongside the large garage nearest to the road. But not this night, and this is what was different.

If you access the photo's on the MMM site, you will understand when you look at the property.

WEEPER WROTE:........this being important because he (SBD) WOULD NOT HAVE HAD AN UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW of the "accident scene" from inside his bus. However, he would have had an unobstructed view of anything (vehicles passing, persons walking or anyone turning around at the Bradley Hill/Route 112 intersection) from his position on the school bus that evening.

Captain Jack wrote: White Wash ... What are the credentials you hold to have had access to the so called paper work you say you have seen?
[..] What credentials do you hold that would allow you access to original photos in an ongoing investigation? Are you LE?
Maybe White Wash is privy to info that only LE would have because she is a "badge bunny."

Hello all,

I still don´t know what to really think of the SBD and his behaviour/actions.
I´m reserving my judgment, but for him to have committed any kind of crime against Maura must surely have been plainly idiotic.
I mean, considering the location with his own home a few steps away, with several homes (apparently occupied at the time) very close by and on what is after all a NH State Route (Rte 112), not just any small back road in the area, with a not inconsiderable amount of traffic even at 7.30 p.m.
I´m not saying that I would consider him to be in the clear, but I would say it´s fairly unlikely.

On another point, I have been trying to check Google Maps/Satellite pictures and other available info as for the particular stretch of Rte 112 between the US 302/NH 10 junction in the west and the Weathered Barn curve in the east.
Apart from a fairly substantial number of private homes and the Stage Stop Store in Swiftwater I can only find two points of interest:

1. The campground/cabins at the junction of Rte 112 and US302/NH 10. Surely closed in February, or?

2. The Christmas Tree farm in Swiftwater some way west of the Weathered Barn curve and south of Rte 112.
Would that have been in operation on a Monday evening in February 2004?
The Christmas Tree farm is clearly visible on the satellite pictures at Google Maps and Silky also points it out in her excellent video recording of Rte 112 as available on YouTube.

Also:
If you watch Silky´s video of Rte 112 on YouTube you will also notice a parked schoolbus at a house on the northern side of Rte 112 shortly before Silky´s car approaches the Weathered Barn from the direction of Swiftwater village.

Does anyone here know whether this was the home of another school bus driver in the area at the time of Maura´s accident?