Where is MAURA MURRAY

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citigirl wrote:

quote White Wash the locals are tired of being beaten to death by nasty remarks! quote If I wrote a letter to the locals would it be possible that you print it in your paper?

Cave Dude wrote:

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Parlez-vous français ?
"White Wash" est un idiome Dans l'anglais américain, il signifie souvent la peau la vérité.
L'idiome est dérivé de la pratique commune de la ligne de propriétéà la maison de peinture clôture le blanc - personne n'enlève la couche inférieure de peinture endommagée - la peinture blanche dissimule la barrière endommagée dessous.
Je ne crois pas que c'est votre intention.
Peut-être dans le français "lavage blanc" les idiome moyens nettoient un désordre?
Do you speak French?
"White Wash" is an idiom. In American English, it often means hide the truth. The idiom is derived from the common practice of painting home property line fences white - no one to removes the lower layer of damaged paint - the white paint covers up the damaged fence underneath.
I do not believe this is your intent.
Maybe in French "White Wash" idiom means clean up a mess?

Quija wrote:

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Hi Half Moon,
JMHO but I think since Maura was so close to her dad -- they were running and hiking buddies -- that, yes, going to church on Father's Day could be of significance.

Half Moon wrote:

Sorry, one more thing. Is there only one church in Barton, VT?

FireCat wrote:

Half Moon--yes, SBD, his mother, and girlfriend, have moved to Florida. HE may well have gone with his mother, rather than saying, "Hey let's move to Florida honey." Nothing NECESSARILY terrible there.
As to why he might lie--I am not saying this is the case, but some people are just compulsive liars. Storytellers. They spin tales to make themselves sound cooler than they really are. "I used to be LE" for instance, might make a guy think he sounds really cool.
That's the thing about compulsive liars--they lie for NO REASON. It's pathological. Sometimes they do it to make themselves feel important. Sometimes they don't even know they're doing it.

Quija wrote:

Why would SBD lie about seeing and talking to a girl in the Saturn? Anyone else think that right now this is one of the big questions?
Did SBD make up the little conversation he and "Maura" had? Is that why his story varied from telling to telling on small points, like hazard lights, where each was standing, the airbag having deployed and SBD not being able to see the lower face of the girl, etc.?
How would SBD know to SAY it was a girl unless he had seen her earlier? Or had been radioed about her.
Or, did he ID her as a girl because it was a MALE who SBD was going to protect for some reason?
What reason? SBD had no kids, no sons, right? Girlfriend and SBD moved there from Mass. so... were there any other young relatives living locally in the Haverhill area? Would he lie to protect a neighbor's son? What male would SBD want to protect, cover for? Risk his job for? It had to be something/someone important to him.
And what, in general, was important to him? I don't know, except everyone said he wanted to feel he was powerful and helpful and have stuff to boast about, maybe saying he was LE.
Would he lie for a police officer? Maybe --- What if an OFFICER relocated the Saturn to protect another large-scale investigation going on that night?(A number of other LE vehicles on the road that night.)
All these years people have said that mostly LE, town employees, rangers, and criminals would know about jurisdictions.
If a criminal moved the car and SBD was afraid of him, I guess he'd lie for him. But SBD was enjoying being in the limelight for a while. I don't think he would've been if he was scared for his life! So, maybe it had to be lying for LE.
Maybe moving the Saturn somehow worked for LE in the other investigation that night.
Maybe that's how CS knew what was missing in the Saturn?
Maybe... well, I've just started thinking about this, so maybe others will have more ideas. Or let me know this is the wrong direction....

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>this is my own personal thoughts. At one time I did suspect SBD because of his own inconsistant stories. He cast suspicion on to himself by doing this. But after piecing things together I don't believe he had anything to do with Maura's disappearance.I really believe that SBD is telling the truth about seeing a female. The question is was it Maura or not. I believe he was being truthful when he said it looked like her but her hair was down. How could he positively identify someone he had never seen before. Remember it was dark and he only saw this person for several minutes.Could it be before he had the opportunity to get out off his bus that he was now a witness to a crime? Could this be why Mr M thought he was calling 911 from his bus? Did he really try to call 911 or did he wait in his bus until the coast was clear and thats when he went in to call police. Maybe he knows who is responsible for Maura's disappearance. If he did infact witness a crime he would be more noticable to the perp or perpertrators if he was driving around in his bus so maybe thats why he took his own vehicle. I truly believe that SBD knows something

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Half Moon wrote:

Just some Sunday thoughts..........
Grammar check, I was wondering if you were interested in all "NH missing" cases, or just this one.

WHITE WASH wrote:

I thought the Mother went to MA and
SBD and Exwife went to FL?
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Half Moon wrote:

Euro,
Thank you. If anyone has the name.........I think I saw it somewhere, I will look again. I know some others on this board have been in and around the areas mentioned in the news and in the posts. Just wondering if anyone here has personally been to this church, or talked with any parishoners. You all are so astute (sp) with the events of that night and the clues and inconsistencies. I seem to like looking at the potential sightings, even though they have been discounted. Probably the easier to deal with for me, I guess.
Elsewhere, believe it or not, it seems like biker week here, too!!!!!!!!!! All weekend the bikes have been up and down Rte 125, I think there was some sort of fundraiser bike run, and yes, there is a lot of hair!(a bit cold for a bike ride)

Weeper wrote:

To all, if I may
Part 1 of 2
With reference to Saturn’s final resting place in the snow bank and the witnesses’ statements to Sgt. Smith within the first half hour of the incident. There has always been speculation as to the identity of the driver of the Saturn that evening for the following reasons. The first witnesses, the Westmans, initially stated they heard acceleration then a loud “thud” and when they looked out their window they saw a woman sitting in the passenger seat with the door open smoking a cigarette. Most of us agreed that it was more likely Maura attempting to use her cell phone that caused the “glowing” effect that the Westmans assumed to be a cigarette since Maura didn’t smoke. It now seems probable that the person the Westmans identified as a woman was based on their observation of a person with long hair sitting in the front passenger side of the Saturn. It wasn’t until two years later that we determined the front end damage to the Saturn didn’t occur at the curve near the Weathered Barn and that damage was the result of an “overhang” object. Please bear with me here, this “assumption” that Maura was the person the witnesses saw may have been a mistake. The Westmans stated what they saw and may have been convinced the person was in fact Maura or at least a female by all the media coverage and the family and searchers. They are good honest people who did everything they could to help find the poor girl. They said they stopped watching when Mr. Atwood showed up with the school bus shortly thereafter.
Now we come to the second witness “on scene” who was much closer to the Saturn than anyone else that night, while it was occupied. We all have heard the many variations of what he stated about what was said to him and what he claims to have seen. Over the years the media, police and everyone else continues to quote Mr. Atwood’s version of events from that evening because it all seemed to fit, on the surface. However, his actions that evening were very peculiar to his neighbors. One action in particular stands out, the way he parked the bus that evening. He backed the bus all the way up beside the house to an outbuilding and after a brief moment when he went into the house and told his live in girlfriend what happened (she was in fact the person who called the Grafton County Sherriff’s Department) he went back out and sat in the bus until Sgt. Smith walked down and spoke to him through the open door. To grasp the oddity of this action (as his neighbor did that evening) we need to understand that his girlfriend also drove a full size school bus and they always parked them in front of the house where the State installed a large floodlight (just like a street light on a public street) right on his property at the intersection with Bradley Hill Road. Had he parked his bus in it’s “usual” parking spot he would have had a clear, unobstructed view all the way up to the stranded Saturn, 560 feet (I measured it). He also claimed to have seen several vehicles pass that intersection but couldn’t identify any of them. He had never parked his bus like this, before or after, since that evening. This witness’s statements and actions leave a lot to the imagination. Mr. Atwood knows a lot more about what happened that evening but he’s not talking, especially to our investigators. He may have given LE different statements but those documents are not available to the public or the PI Team (as I said before, we don’t want them nor do we need them).

Weeper wrote:

Part 2 of 2
The reason for my posting this information is in the hopes that Ben Franklin can factor some of this information into his previous analysis (which I find to be very interesting by the way Ben, thank you). Also consider this, when shown a photograph of Maura, Mr. Atwood stated “well it looks like her but her hair was down”. This statement in and of itself covers any other witness statement that they saw a woman in the vehicle that evening, the identifier being the “long hair”. This is what I meant by a “Maura look-alike”(to the Westmans, not Atwood), a man with long hair. If you are going to ask me if I believe Mr. Atwood was lying when he talked to the media and the police, my answer would be yes. It wasn’t a mistake, it was a deliberate deception. Remember also when Sgt. Smith arrived and spoke with the Westmans, he asked them if they had “seen where the female from the Saturn had gone” and they told him they hadn’t, he asked that question because it was Mr. Atwood’s girlfriend who called and told Grafton County dispatch that her “husband” asked her to call about a female having run off the road. That statement from Sgt. Smith indicated believed it was a female and the Westmans assumed it was a female smoking in the front passenger seat of the Saturn when initially they thought it was a man. This is a long post, but you all wanted a bit of information and this is just one component of an investigation, analyzing witness statements. I do not, nor have I ever, believe Sgt. Smith was in any way connected to Maura’s disappearance. His filling out and filing of the “official public accident report” may have been flawed and inaccurate but not done so with any malicious intent.
Respectfully
Weeper