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Looking4AMoose

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Her transfer to UMASS and change of major to nursing is not to be taken lightly...as these changes can be VERY stressful for a motivated, goal-oriented, and normally high-achieving student. Even two years later.
Loss (having attending a more prestigious educational institution...and then a public institution)
Sadness (about the unknown)
Fear of failure (in choosing another career path)
These features and effects of such life-disruption cannot be minimized. Some of us are less sensitive, "tougher" than others...and can more easily cope.
As adults, we know setbacks are temporary and workable...but to a young adult with lofty goals for high achievement, the new path can be frightening.
Some students identify with their academic achievement more than their social status...and don't mind eating alone...perhaps their mental energy is occupied with problem solving.
Maura hadn't dropped out of school - she successfully made the transfer...and apparently was coping.
I don't know what happened to Maura Murray, but by all "appearances", she had a constellation of support and love that was sustaining her. I see evidence of a wonderful relationship between Maura and her father...it is tragic.
I prefer to believe, without evidence or proof, that she became a victim of random violence/crime.
Another thought - no one is flawless...but some simply endear themselves to us in a way that may seem as if they may be nearly ideal...especially under these circumstances.
Maura transfeered to UMass as a chemical engineering student and was making honors. She didn't transfer to the nursing program until January 2003 and UMass' Nursing program is very prestigious--it has very high standards for acceptance so her goals were still quite lofty--there was also took somewhere of her wanting to become a Physician's Assistant--again, a lofty goal. Emailing professors saying that you need a week off for a death in the family that didn't occur isn't acceptable in those ranks and a student would likely get thrown out of the program for doing that (I went there for some graduate level courses and still had to take my finals despite my father having passed away 2 days prior). Having her belongings packed in boxes in her dorm room doesn't appear that she had any intentions of ocming back. I'm not saying something wasn't tugging at her---its obvious there was something, but it was apparently something that was far more important to her than continuing her education at UMass and couldn't wait until she had a more dependable car--if in fact, she was the one who drove the vehicle away from Amherst.
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Sophie Bean or anyone else,

It may seem that I'm going off topic but I'm not. In the intitial reports about the young man from Vermont being murdered it was reported that the man/homicide victim was found on state property.

I keep hearing the use of the word trailers in the reports. Is this by any chance a campground or is Lim Kiln Road just an area with diversified homes and structures?

I am not familiar with the area and Weeper's blow by blow witness report of following behind the responding officer from Cottage Hospital to the accident call has confused me even further.

I believe the first accident did happen (per 4 witnesses who heard the call and the cancellation of the call- woman left in private vehicle) and we've yet to determine the exact location.

Although it is pure speculation on my part, I believe Maura was driving her vehicle to this point. Hence, call cancelled, woman left in a private vehicle.

Would Lime Kiln Road happen to intersect with 302 Northeast of the Saturn's final resting place?

Petticoat Lane was also brought up in recent conversation on this board.

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Hello all,

I wish to return to the matter of the supposed acceleration and subsequent thud, as heard by the W-n family at the Weathered Barn, Swiftwater.

In my mind, a thud and a subsequent acceleration would make somewhat more sense.

Some posters have mentioned that the Saturn appeared to have been backed into the snowbank by Rte 112.
Just a wild speculation here, but could the driver of the Saturn (whoever that was) possibly have come from the Lincoln direction, driving west towards Woodsvill, stopping the car between the A-d and W-n houses, reversing/accelerating the car and smashing the rear end of the Saturn into the snowbank, facing west in the eastbound lane....

As everyone knows a reversing, accelerating car always makes considerably more noise than an acceleration forwards at a similar speed....
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I don't see almost any other views as impossible at all.
This sentence is not clear to me at all. What exactly are you saying here?
paris

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Ok, let's talk about that again. Maura seems to have either packed, reorganized or never really unpacked. The *note* that was found could tell everything if it were relevant to her reason for leaving, but it was not. She was planning to call Billy later, Dad too.

If it was not Maura who packed up, emailed and left, how'd they know to get accident papers?

Was the jewelry and such kept in the car, still there from the holiday break? The nursing books would have likely been used and brought down to the car for the trip.

It's not unusual to change career choice several times before settling. Some go on to do anything but what they studied for/mastered in.

To say there was a family emergency is to say she had made up her mind to go do whatever it was she couldn't bring herself to share with anyone. She seemed to be in emergency mode to take the car *then* instead of going to whatever this was the next week when she picked up the car she had decided on Sunday

If I were police, I would track down the inside caller to security that night. I would go over everything with whoever called *her*. Why did she cry, what did you say to her......

I would also take that anonymous caller that either came though, didn't come through, but none the less "tried" to call her and grill them to the gills. To once and for all eliminate any possible connection to her decision to leave so fast.

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Ok, let's talk about that again. Maura seems to have either packed, reorganized or never really unpacked. The *note* that was found could tell everything if it were relevant to her reason for leaving, but it was not. She was planning to call Billy later, Dad too.
If it was not Maura who packed up, emailed and left, how'd they know to get accident papers?
Was the jewelry and such kept in the car, still there from the holiday break? The nursing books would have likely been used and brought down to the car for the trip.
It's not unusual to change career choice several times before settling. Some go on to do anything but what they studied for/mastered in.
To say there was a family emergency is to say she had made up her mind to go do whatever it was she couldn't bring herself to share with anyone. She seemed to be in emergency mode to take the car *then* instead of going to whatever this was the next week when she picked up the car she had decided on Sunday
If I were police, I would track down the inside caller to security that night. I would go over everything with whoever called *her*. Why did she cry, what did you say to her......
I would also take that anonymous caller that either came though, didn't come through, but none the less "tried" to call her and grill them to the gills. To once and for all eliminate any possible connection to her decision to leave so fast.
Hello paris,

Yes, those two calls (to the security desk at Melville dorm and the one to Maura´s cellphine from the Londonderry, NH, tower) may well be of the utmost importance here.

Could it even conceivably have been the very same person making both these calls to Maura?
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Looking4AMoose wrote:
<quoted text> Maura transfeered to UMass as a chemical engineering student and was making honors. She didn't transfer to the nursing program until January 2003 and UMass' Nursing program is very prestigious--it has very high standards for acceptance so her goals were still quite lofty--there was also took somewhere of her wanting to become a Physician's Assistant--again, a lofty goal. Emailing professors saying that you need a week off for a death in the family that didn't occur isn't acceptable in those ranks and a student would likely get thrown out of the program for doing that (I went there for some graduate level courses and still had to take my finals despite my father having passed away 2 days prior). Having her belongings packed in boxes in her dorm room doesn't appear that she had any intentions of ocming back. I'm not saying something wasn't tugging at her---its obvious there was something, but it was apparently something that was far more important to her than continuing her education at UMass and couldn't wait until she had a more dependable car--if in fact, she was the one who drove the vehicle away from Amherst.
Thank you for clarifying. Very helpful.
Perhaps she wasn't doing as well in subsequent semesters in nursing? Was becoming discouraged? Who knows.

Given her notable accomplishments, she would seem to have been resilient.
Often, as you know, an advisor might have had a clue if there were academic issues.

Pls. forgive my not being attentive or absent during previous discussions...but is Fred currently able to maintain any rapport/contact with state investigators after everything that's gone down?
I can understand his holding information closely, if indeed that is what is claimed here...for obvious reasons.
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elsewherebriefly wrote:
Sophie Bean or anyone else,
It may seem that I'm going off topic but I'm not. In the intitial reports about the young man from Vermont being murdered it was reported that the man/homicide victim was found on state property.
I keep hearing the use of the word trailers in the reports. Is this by any chance a campground or is Lim Kiln Road just an area with diversified homes and structures?
I am not familiar with the area and Weeper's blow by blow witness report of following behind the responding officer from Cottage Hospital to the accident call has confused me even further.
I believe the first accident did happen (per 4 witnesses who heard the call and the cancellation of the call- woman left in private vehicle) and we've yet to determine the exact location.
Although it is pure speculation on my part, I believe Maura was driving her vehicle to this point. Hence, call cancelled, woman left in a private vehicle.
Would Lime Kiln Road happen to intersect with 302 Northeast of the Saturn's final resting place?
Petticoat Lane was also brought up in recent conversation on this board.
There's no campground on Lime Kiln RD. On the Haverhill end it intersects with RT 116 not 302.
Petticoat Lane is almost across from Aldrich's Store and consists of two farmhouses. Part of the first home was made into a meat market where you can buy fresh meat.
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Eurobserver wrote:
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Hello paris,
Yes, those two calls (to the security desk at Melville dorm and the one to Maura´s cellphine from the Londonderry, NH, tower) may well be of the utmost importance here.
Could it even conceivably have been the very same person making both these calls to Maura?
Sure, and I say that because the person had likely moved on.........? How'd they figure that one and why let it go. Or as Quija said, it'll be kept from the public and we'll just have to keep wondering.

The way White Wash presented this info was that police had to obtain a warrant, something to that effect. When was this again, do you know? I had reason for needing my cell records and my provider said only police could get records before my billing cycle would show what I needed to see.

So what I'm saying is, why are we led to believe the last call to the Salamones was not the last call and that police didn't "bother" to check on it for so many months?!~ The unsuccessful call, was it the last and clearly on the statement? Either way, this person was how far from UMASS? Looking for the quick answer, help.

And thanks
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Thanks Wowzer,

O.K. so 116 and not 302.

Lime Kiln Road sounds like the area in which I live here in NC. Lots of different types of homes re: stick built, pre-fabricated homes, and trailers.

Thanks also for you description of Petticoat lane.
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please clarify wrote:
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This sentence is not clear to me at all. What exactly are you saying here?
Right - "please clarify"
It is a perfectly clear statement. I do not regard MOST other views posted about Maura's disappearance - those which are not that she was a victim of foul play - as impossible.

I view abduction by aliens as virtually impossible.
I view abduction by a nefarious sekrit society as highly unlikely.
I do not believe that all persons in the local area are drug dealers, murderers and scum.

I have made all of these opinions absolutely clear in dozens and dozens of posts, and it is disingenious at best to suggest otherwise.

Is that clear enough for you?
If you need more clarification that that, it is really your issue and not mine.
kthxbye
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Young man early 20's murdered last week and found on road off Lime Kiln Rd.in back of a trailer. The body of the poor young man was found in back of a trailer on the first Rd. on the right off of Lime Kiln Rd. off Rt. 112 in Haverhill N.H.,,2 Suspects in custody.
When will the stupid sensless killings stop up in the Haverhill area?
My two cats, the Duke and Duchess of Two Egg, Florida, the Honorable Shmiggins Oretis and Hattie Matilda xxxx say "They feel bad about what happened to Maura, every clue should be pursued and we should realize that crime takes place everwhere - and that MEAN PEOPLE SUCK."
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<quoted text>Sure, and I say that because the person had likely moved on.........? How'd they figure that one and why let it go. Or as Quija said, it'll be kept from the public and we'll just have to keep wondering.
The way White Wash presented this info was that police had to obtain a warrant, something to that effect. When was this again, do you know? I had reason for needing my cell records and my provider said only police could get records before my billing cycle would show what I needed to see.
So what I'm saying is, why are we led to believe the last call to the Salamones was not the last call and that police didn't "bother" to check on it for so many months?!~ The unsuccessful call, was it the last and clearly on the statement? Either way, this person was how far from UMASS? Looking for the quick answer, help.
And thanks
Amherst is about 100 miles from Londonderry, but interestingly enough, londonderry is in the direct path of norwood (where maura is said to have done clinicals) to haverhill, nh.
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http://www.twoeggfla.com/

"Yes Two Egg is a real place..." and I've been there to visit my kinfolk.
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Eurobserver wrote:
Hello all,
I wish to return to the matter of the supposed acceleration and subsequent thud, as heard by the W-n family at the Weathered Barn, Swiftwater.
In my mind, a thud and a subsequent acceleration would make somewhat more sense.
Some posters have mentioned that the Saturn appeared to have been backed into the snowbank by Rte 112.
Just a wild speculation here, but could the driver of the Saturn (whoever that was) possibly have come from the Lincoln direction, driving west towards Woodsvill, stopping the car between the A-d and W-n houses, reversing/accelerating the car and smashing the rear end of the Saturn into the snowbank, facing west in the eastbound lane....
As everyone knows a reversing, accelerating car always makes considerably more noise than an acceleration forwards at a similar speed....
Someone reported that TW said spinning the curve doesn't happen like that. I have no new ideas but in light of that recent statement can only wonder again.......
How do you drive a car with twisted headlights in the dark of night on winding, frost heaving roads?
Was the car destined to drive off the beaten trail very close to there but it was just too hard to do when you can't see?

What about the person who saw the car nose to nose with police and seemingly no one around before it was called in and before police came back on the scene at 7:47 or so?
Smith said he got the call and it took him 10 to 20 minutes to get there.
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Looking4AMoose wrote:
<quoted text> Amherst is about 100 miles from Londonderry, but interestingly enough, londonderry is in the direct path of norwood (where maura is said to have done clinicals) to haverhill, nh.
Thank you and sorry to be interrupting other conversation. I'll try and listen more, just check in here and there and read.
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Thanks Wowzer,
O.K. so 116 and not 302.
Lime Kiln Road sounds like the area in which I live here in NC. Lots of different types of homes re: stick built, pre-fabricated homes, and trailers.
Thanks also for you description of Petticoat lane.
Right, it comes out on 116 just above the 4 corners.
Yes Lime Kiln sounds exactly like your road with different types of homes.
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Benjamin Franklin wrote:
http://www.twoeggfla.com/
"Yes Two Egg is a real place..." and I've been there to visit my kinfolk.
Off topic but great link, great stories. I visited Oatland Plantation in VA and was fascinated by the turn of events during/after the civil war.
Thanks :)
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Right - "please clarify"
It is a perfectly clear statement. I do not regard MOST other views posted about Maura's disappearance - those which are not that she was a victim of foul play - as impossible.
I view abduction by aliens as virtually impossible.
I view abduction by a nefarious sekrit society as highly unlikely.
I do not believe that all persons in the local area are drug dealers, murderers and scum.
I have made all of these opinions absolutely clear in dozens and dozens of posts, and it is disingenious at best to suggest otherwise.
Is that clear enough for you?
If you need more clarification that that, it is really your issue and not mine.
kthxbye
I can picture you at an easter egg hunt, the only child sitting in a chair saying "I believe an easter egg is under a couch cushion - did I make myself clear enough!!!" but never actually bothering to look.

Yeah we've seen your opinion, over and over again. We know your opinion. You may very well be right.

But were here to acually try to figure that out.

I suggest that you attempt to look at the evidence - think about what you can contribute - and post your ideas.

Because anything short of that is wasted space and about as useful as a link to Two Egg Florida.

I have yet to read a single post of yours that added to the collective brainshare here. All you do is rant about your belief - but you fail to explain that belief backed up by real evidence.

Then if anyone objects - because all you do is take up space and invite other people to argue - which you predictably retort with nonsense assertions to the effect that [the objector is trying to prevent you from finding Maura] or that [if a man - he is a meanie weanie that doesn't understand Woman's issues]

You don't get it - until otherwise proven - anything could have happened.

You can't find anything if you don't look.

ktnksbye

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paris & all,

If Maura´s Saturn was indeed "planted" in order to fake an accident on Rte 112 at the Weathered Barn, then why in that particular spot?
Just a co-incidence, or more than that?

Three possibilities, as I see it:

1. Complete co-incidence

2. A matter of LE jurisdiction:
The spot where the Saturn was found is part of Haverhill PD jurisdiction, while almost all of Rte 112 further west towards Woodsville comes under Bath PD jurisdiction.
A little bit further east, just past Bradley Hill Road, Rte 112 enters the White Mtns National Park/Forest land.

3. The whole purpose of a faked accident at this particular spot was to give the impression that Maura had been coming from the direction of Woodsville and was driving east towards Lincoln, losing control of the Saturn at the Weathered Barn curve and then ending up in the snowbank.
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