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Dickhead Redo
Charleston, WV
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12:55 PM: Someone using a cell phone called a condo in Bartlett NH, a phone call not verified by LE until many months later and which call cannot be remembered by the person who received it. 1:13 PM: Someone using a cell phone called an unknown student with whom s/he did not talk, but left an unknown message of no importance. 2:05 PM: Someone using a cell phone called 800-GO-STOWE, but spoke with no one on an out-of-order phone system. 2:18 PM: Someone using a cell phone called a soldier in Oklahoma, but didn't speak with him. 3:40 PM: An unidentified person withdrew some money at an unknown ATM. 4:37 PM: Someone, somewhere checked messages on a cell phone. And they want FACTS from a crazy dickhead in order to help locate someone about whom virtually nothing is known and who didn't seem to exist until she disappeared. No wonder they rely on psychics for information so elusive that they and their team can discover absolutely none of it for themselves.
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Dickhead Redo
Charleston, WV
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Maybe the reason for four years of endless blathering confusion about a car crash in Haverhill is that the crash did not occur. Or maybe the car never even existed. They know more about a small town they continue to pillory and the people they want to lynch for allegedly having abducted a person they never met and cannot verify even existed than they know about the phantom victim herself. They go to greater lengths to discover personal information about people they taunt than they do to discover actually useful information about a crime they keep claiming occurred, but which claim is completely without evidence.
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Joined: Jun 16, 2008
Comments: 472
Stockholm, Sweden
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Hello all,
As I see it, it now seems likely that Maura presumably drove north from Amherst somewhere within a 20-miles radius of the Londonderry, NH, cellphone tower.
This would also seem to indicate a northbound drive on the I-93 in the direction of Lincoln/Franconia.
Isn´t this a reasonable supposition considering the information we have found out regarding cellphone pings?
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FireCat
United States
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elsewherebriefly wrote: P.P.S Firecat, Remember the movie as good as it gets? Uh, vaguely. Why?
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FireCat
United States
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Eurobserver wrote: Hello all,
Found the text below on the Web interesting regarding cellphone pings.
From this it would seem that Maura´s cellphone must have been within an approx. 20-mile radius of the Londonderry,NH, tower. Which points towards the I-93, it would seem....
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Cell Phone Pings
This is a very good reason one should never keep their cell phone turned off. If you read about the pings then you will understand, why you do not turn your cell phone off except where you are asked to do so.
People out doing errands alone, traveling alone, or senior citizens should have a cell phone by them at all times.
Read the entire article and see the reasons to have a cell phone.
'Pings' assist in missing-persons cases
Police agencies nationwide rely on high-tech help from phone companies.
DAVID HAYES, The Kansas City Star
Section 1 Front Section Page A5
Cell-phone technology is becoming an increasingly important tool for law enforcement.
Mobile phones are, in essence, highly sophisticated two-way radios. To make and receive calls, they must be in relatively constant contact with the nearest cell tower.
That information from Kelsey Smith's mobile phone was used Wednesday to help find her body. Similar information has been used by law enforcement in missing persons and criminal cases across the country.
To let a cellular network know where a mobile phone is, the handset sends out a signal -- called a "ping" -- to nearby cell towers every two or three minutes. The towers relay the location of the phone to the network. The system only works when the phone is powered on.
A successful ping shows that the phone is within that tower's coverage region, an area that could vary from a few square blocks to a few square miles.
That information, in turn, is used by the mobile phone carrier to locate the phone to pass along calls, text messages or e-mail to the phone.
When a phone is moving, a number of towers are involved, as calls or routine pings are handed off from tower to tower.
In Smith's case, police were able to track her phone through routine pings and from calls made to her by friends and family Saturday evening.
Joseph Farren, a spokesman for the wireless industry's trade association, said most major mobile phone companies have procedures to work with police in missing persons and criminal cases.
The companies keep records of calls to and from phones, and a limited number of recent routine locater pings -- sometimes just the last ping, sometimes up to 24 hours worth of pings.
Phone company procedure requires police to get a judge to issue a subpoena for phone records, often a quick process done by telephone.
From there, Farren said, the process is even faster.
The mobile phone company keys in the phone's number, and its last known location pops up on the screen.
The process can take under a minute. OK. Couple of things. If there's no cell phone reception, there can be no ping. Second thing. Does this do anything to change the fact that this ping was a call headed TO Maura's phone? In my reading of it, I am still able to line up the information that THE CALLER had to be within 22 miles of Londonderry. Does this information change that? Up until now, this Londonderry thing has mostly been based on an erroneous assumption that had been corrected, ie that the Londonderry ping was TO Maura's phone. Does this information change that? Someone who can explain it in simple English, please do so, LOL.
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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FireCat wrote: <quoted text>
Uh, vaguely. Why? I figured you could use at least another laugh. Though you might have remembered the role of the dog in the movie. The dog brought out the human side of the main character as well as assisted him in developing relationships with people. Before then he was depicted as a dickhead with a number of psychological problems.
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whiston
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hi Firecat and all.as i understood after talking to sprint.when a call is made to a cell phone from anywhere in the u.s. the system searches for the tower that is closest to the phone.the 'ping' will will not happen if the phone is out of range because the tower wont find it.or if the phone is off or the battery is dead.if anyone knows something other than this please post it. thanks.there is a site called vrbo .it is vacation rental by owners.the first town listed on there n.h. page is Bartlett the last is Woodsville.. take care philip
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Lady Gray
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elsewherebriefly wrote: <quoted text>
I figured you could use at least another laugh. Though you might have remembered the role of the dog in the movie.
The dog brought out the human side of the main character as well as assisted him in developing relationships with people.
Before then he was depicted as a dickhead with a number of psychological problems. Oh my gosh.......this reminds me, need a laugh? Off topic, but look at the website http://upsidedowndogs.com/
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Joined: Jun 16, 2008
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Stockholm, Sweden
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Hello FireCat, Here below is an extract from the previously pasted-and-copied web site, which clearly says that a "successful ping shows that the phone is within that towes´s coverage region, an area that could vary from a few square blocks to a few square miles". So, as I read it: Maura´s cellphone must physically have been within the coverage region of the Londonderry,NH, tower. This, of course, does not necessarily mean that Maura herself and/or the Saturn was there, although that would at least seem likely. IMHO. To let a cellular network know where a mobile phone is, the handset sends out a signal -- called a "ping" -- to nearby cell towers every two or three minutes. The towers relay the location of the phone to the network. The system only works when the phone is powered on. A successful ping shows that the phone is within that tower's coverage region, an area that could vary from a few square blocks to a few square miles.
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Joined: Jun 16, 2008
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Stockholm, Sweden
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Hello all, Topix went berserk when I posted my last message.... Sorry about that, but you all know what Topix can be like at times....
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Dickhead Redo
Charleston, WV
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Below excerpted from: http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:8558284 The use of a homeless shelter as a clinical rotation for nursing students. Homeless persons are a population at risk in the community with health problems which nursing can impact. They are a heterogeneous group from all levels of society with a variety of acute and chronic health problems. Senior nursing students learn the theories and causative factors of becoming homeless as well as the resources available to them in this southeastern city. The students are also introduced to the mechanisms by which homeless persons interact with the present healthcare system. The clinical experience is described as it occurs in this inner city location. Learning activities include health assessments, treatments, education, and referrals. The value of this experience to the student is that it promotes independence, self-direction, and priority setting. The advantages and disadvantages of this clinical experience for senior nursing students and their clients are discussed.
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Harry
Charleston, WV
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Below (in quotes) excerpted from UMass Continuing Ed web page: http://www.umassulearn.net/Programs/Undergrad... "Clinical component: Clinical practice is arranged under faculty direction with the cooperation of community agencies and health care facilities including senior citizen centers, schools, ambulatory care centers, community hospitals, and medical centers, as well as clients’ homes." In other words, a clinical rotation does not have be located at a hospital. While obviously a student's clinical rotations must include standard hospital venues, there are many other possibilities, some of which are less conventional than the public may realize. For example, a homeless shelter or, as it was called many years ago, a home for unwed mothers.(Do they still have these?) Or a client's home. Many possibilities.
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Comments: 269
San Francisco, CA
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Hi folks -
I'm a bit frustrated here. I'm not mentioning names because my purpose does not include fighting.
I think there is a history here of hurt feelings - nobody knows who to trust - perhaps so much that even the facts are questioned. Opinions sometimes are held as solid belief.*Sigh*
Some folks will discuss minor details of x or y - but on other detail won't bother. Others won't explain their thought processes, some are worried that some kind of magic ether is going to cross the Internet and attack them through their computer screens. Others just like to create confusion.
I made some stupid mistakes that were big - some that were minor had no effect on the big picture.
I've tried a bunch of scenarios - the entirety of it all extremely complicated.
There is a big difference between
1. A change in leading theory -[its going to happen - example Weeper's last post - its a part of being a good, honest and responsible investigator]
2. Honest mistakes
3. Deception and or Obstruction.
There also is a big difference between:
1. An arms length investigation of possibilities
and
2. Malicious slander.
The solution to these includes looking at the detail and figuring out if it makes sense or not. If it doesn't raise the question. Give your reasons. Know in your own mind in detail why you agree or disagree - rather then looking at the name of the poster and deciding that you disagree - without the real why behind it. Let every opinion stand on its own merit.
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WTF
Bristol, CT
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Eurobserver wrote: So, as I read it:
Maura´s cellphone must physically have been within the coverage region of the Londonderry,NH, tower. No this is probably not correct. There are 4 pieces to any cell call from another cell phone. Outgoing and incoming both from Maura’s phone and possibly another cell phone. Both phones need towers. If I read this correctly then a caller placed a call to Maura. The caller’s phone used the Londonderry cell site. Maura’s phone could have been anywhere in the country and where ever it was it either didn’t have cell service or the phone was off because the call didn’t go through. None of this information precludes Maura from driving the route up I-93 as she has been suspected of doing since 2004. Bill
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Harry
Charleston, WV
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If she was considered merely missing within the first few days, and if she was assigned a clinical on Monday (2/9), then the very thorough UMass detectives would have discovered this quite easily. And most likely, the evening news would have sounded more like, "Miss Murray, missing since Monday evening, was assigned to a clinical rotation at Holyoke Hospital. If anyone saw her at or near Holyoke Hospital, please call the number at the bottom of your screen." That's normally something like what you'd hear when a missing person doesn't show up for a job, an appointment, etc. What was said on the news within the first few days? If police did not early on consider her a victim of foul play, then either she was not headed for a traditional clinical or she was headed for one the nature of which precluded its disclosure.
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Harry
Charleston, WV
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Sorry for the double.
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FireCat
Plymouth Meeting, PA
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Harry wrote: Below (in quotes) excerpted from UMass Continuing Ed web page: http://www.umassulearn.net/Programs/Undergrad... "Clinical component: Clinical practice is arranged under faculty direction with the cooperation of community agencies and health care facilities including senior citizen centers, schools, ambulatory care centers, community hospitals, and medical centers, as well as clients’ homes." In other words, a clinical rotation does not have be located at a hospital. While obviously a student's clinical rotations must include standard hospital venues, there are many other possibilities, some of which are less conventional than the public may realize. For example, a homeless shelter or, as it was called many years ago, a home for unwed mothers.(Do they still have these?) Or a client's home. Many possibilities. My understanding is that Maura was NO enrolled through the School of Continuing Ed, but through the Nursing Program as an undergrad. This may change that. Yes, they still have "homes for unwed mothers" though they're usually privately run.
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FireCat
Plymouth Meeting, PA
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WTF wrote: <quoted text>
No this is probably not correct. There are 4 pieces to any cell call from another cell phone. Outgoing and incoming both from Maura’s phone and possibly another cell phone. Both phones need towers. If I read this correctly then a caller placed a call to Maura. The caller’s phone used the Londonderry cell site. Maura’s phone could have been anywhere in the country and where ever it was it either didn’t have cell service or the phone was off because the call didn’t go through. None of this information precludes Maura from driving the route up I-93 as she has been suspected of doing since 2004.
Bill Thanks Bill. That's what I thought I was reading. Successful explanation to the liberal arts, non-ping-understanding brain.:)
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Half Moon
Reading, MA
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Sybil, Sybull, Harry, Gene, and Redo, instead of beating you up and calling you names, I want to know, do you work????? Even though you are wasting your time and other's by reading and posting here (wish I had that kind of time) you have a very creative and intelligent mind and I hope you are using that to it's fullest extent. You certainly know how to piss people off, while laughing to yourself, I am sure. My favorite part is how you post and then the rest of your possie judges your posts favorably before anyone else has the chance. I know that this forum could use your intellegence to help move forward, just wishing you could redirect your energies. One last thing, how do you get your comp to say you are in WV, when you are in MA ??? I guess it wouldnt be any different than mine saying MA when I am in NH, just that the states arent right next to each other! Keep on trucking!!!!!!!!!!
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Harry
Charleston, WV
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Just for the record, there is no posse. I don't know who does the judging, but I do not use the judging feature myself at all, period - positive or negative. I have absolutely nothing to do with how these posts are judged. Someone else is doing it, not me.
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