Where is MAURA MURRAY

Some random, rambling thoughts... Why did Maura bring so little with her on her trip north?

I don't know all of what Maura brought with her, but these are some things I'd bring on a one-week get-away (or even for 3 days). Living simply, there are things I'd bring that i'm not sure Maura brought:

a few changes of clothes if i knew there would be access to a washer and dryer (this i think she did)

my own soap, powder, shampoo and conditioner (since motels might have crummy stuff)

Creams, lotions, minimal first aid stuff like bandaids and bacitracin. Nail file, clippers.

"flip-flops" for the shower or walking around in a motel room....

camera, binoculars for hiking... maybe a field guide for birds or wildlife.... trail maps...

some bottled water for hiking (to avoid paying $1.25 a bottle when they are 20 cents each in a carton) since Maura wasn't a spend-thrift

magazines or journals (that've been piling up)... something for idle time, like when on the phone, like word puzzles or Game Boy or portable CD player, whatever...

some kind of boots for walking or hiking outside.

Or if she was going to just relax in a motel you'd think she'd bring a cozy robe or extra long t-shirt and fleece socks to laze around, study those nursing books that were in the Saturn, whatever...

blank notepad and pen

ziploc bags for leftover foods, box of tissues, paper towels, empty plastic bags (left-over from store purchases or else a real box of "kitchen trash bags") for car trash or even hiking trash to put in backpack

some postage stamps, return address stickers, address book, just in case...

I really don't know --- did Maura bring this kind of stuff? What was she planning to do on her get-away? She'd want more light reading than she brought (you'd think)?

There's something strange about the things that she did not bring. IMO. Please let me know if she actually had this kind of stuff with her. Thanks.

Wowzer, I do agree that early on in any investigation all information available should be directed toward LE. This disappearance has gone way beyond initial investigation which makes it apparent other avenues need to be explored in my opinion.

Wowzer wrote:

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By steering someone in the direction of giving information they have that may be helpful in the investigation of Maura Murray to a PO box and witholding this information from the local LE is wrong and most likely even a crime.
IMO information and or evidence should NOT be going to the family and friends but ONLY to LE.

They would like to receive anonymous information about a person who didn't seem to exist until she disappeared. Where will that info end up? How will it be judged? In the waste basket or forwarded to the FBI (and their handlers of the moment)?

Anne, Yeh, the P.O.Box was one of Helena's attempts to get ANY information....the family is trying anything that they can think of, to help. Personally, if ..IF I ever got a
morsel of anything...I would ring up Weeper.

Did get a chuckle out of "licking the envelope"...Yeh, right..like they'd check the dna.?? Ahh, the intrique...of a missing
daughter...as Scaraza said "just can't send a bag of stuff down there"..DNA stands for "do not acknowledge"....
Except for forensics all over the CW trailer. hmmmm..

Correction to a prior post ...Brian R (and spouse)....owned property in Gilman, VT across the river from Dalton, NH

Anne wrote:

Wowzer, I do agree that early on in any investigation all information available should be directed toward LE. This disappearance has gone way beyond initial investigation which makes it apparent other avenues need to be explored in my opinion.

Sorry Anne but I disagree. Withholding information/evidence from the LE is a crime in any part of the investigation.
I'm not sure who the "other avenues" are but if they consist of family, friends and or PI I believe by them being privy to information withheld from the LE would cause more harm than good to the investigation.JMHO

Let me guess... shut up about fly paper for the wise flys?

LG thank you for the AMW info...I remember it..
but, leave it to you to have it at your fingertips. Way to go.!!!

Wish the frequent flier(s) would look at some
photos of Maura...to see that she did "exist"..

Can't answer the questions asked about submitting anonymous information? We need answers! If you need info, the public needs answers!

Oh yes, I forgot about the photos. Why didn't I realize that online digital photos are the very definition - necessary and sufficient - of a person's existence? Where she didn't live, whom she didn't see, whom she didn't talk to, where she didn't work, and so on... well, that just doesn't matter as long as there are some photos online. Who cannot be convinced by some photos on the web? Even though her non-existence before she disappeared is overwhelming.

Mickey Mouthpiece, you should ponder the irony of APPEARING to want information released by police for a TV show, but in reality trying to privately collect information ahead of and separate from LE, while also making up stories about galleries and many other things that do not exist.

Hey, sweet talkin' STFU: You want me to shut up? Or what, exactly? Is that a threat? Where's it come from? The RA in Meriden? Or some place near Waterbury? Boca Raton? Or Sarasota?

Hey, Wondering (Manchester, NH), before I retire... Where should I send that note to? Any particular style of writing you looking for? Any particular details you want mentioned? This could be your shot at glory. Come on, Wondering. Your little cameo didn't quite express your true intentions, did it?

Harry wrote:

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Thanks so much for providing an address for anonymous tips. I just have a few questions.
Sorry for being so insecure, but in what way are these tips kept anonymous? Are they anonymous if they contain really important, relevant information? Even if the sender licks the envelope?
Who is "us?" As in, "Write to us." A different LE organization? Hockey Moms? A religious group?
Don't go to local police? Why not? Why should the public provide tips to a PO Box instead? Who reads these tips? Do you want useful tips sent to the PO Box so that local police don't intercept useful information and keep it from... the police? How would local police handle an anonymous tip differently from the "us" you refer to?
Would an important anonymous tip ultimately be turned over to ANY law enforcement agency or office? If not, how would it ever have any value? Or do you act on some of these anonymous tips yourselves?
If some anonymous tips are conveyed, directly or indirectly, to LE, who determines, and how is it determined, which tips go to LE and which do not?
And what about those controversial Amherst Tips? Should they be sent to a special place such as Box 777, Cement Shoes, Connecticut? Or should they be called in to sevensevensevensixthreeoneone? Hard to tell the difference sometimes. When I think of guys like John Connelly. And all his buddies.
Thank you.

I would love to hear the answers to these questions and I bet there are other interested parties that read this forum that would love to hear the answers too. Waiting patiently.

Harry - if you know something important - tell the police. If you have concerns for your safety - maybe someone might have some information for you.
If you want amnesty - I don't know the laws - I suggest getting an attorney if that is the situation.
I'm convinced that Maura is a real person. Her family is suffering as are the locals of New Hampshire.
If you have important information - please pass it on to the right person - it might make life a lot easier for many people.
If you have - and I've missed something - my apologies.

Yeah, I'm holding my breath, too.

I'm sure if you start running now - you won't be able to breathe fast enough.

Apparently, I should have written, "Yeah, Wowzer, I'm holding my breath, too."

I have no idea what is meant by junk like starting to run now and being able to breath fast enough. I'm too old to run and can't even breath well when walking across the goddamn street.

Doesn't anyone here from the prior Maura Murray Forums remember the hell and anxiety that Helena went through just to get this private post office box...? Days of filling out multiple forms, standing in line...? One of the many stress related times that sent her to the hospital...? I don't know WHO picks up the mail...whether it is family or FBI, or whether is the MASP/
NHSP/local MA/NH LE. Perhaps NHLI/MA PIs....?
Citigirl...I don't know if you can or will answer this question. If not, I truly understand.(You know that)
Maura's family, Dad and Mom do have attorneys, so I don't worry about the legalities. What I do worry about is that a scum bag(s)and consorts are thinking that they got away with murder.
If this had been my "non-existent" daughter who disappeared in that Haverhill area,I would have been locked up by now, either in restraints and/or incarcerated.
Maura is either gone because of her own stupidity, or of circumstances.
What difference does it make? What is it with all the hatefulness...?
I remember why I started here..as I hope all FIT folks do, "keepin' on".

Maybe there should be a Topix, "Bash Maura Murray Forum" (sickening)

No one is forcing you to be here. So how come you stick around so much? Hoping for a little excitement?

Sure, maybe there should be some kind of dual Topix. After all, there were two very different people who BOTH identified themselves as the same moderator, one of whom freely re-wrote someone else's posts on the old MMM board to suit herself and discredit a certain poster.

Becoming dangerously ill from going through the absolute hell of getting a PO Box? The mail addressed to which might go to any of a large number of recipients? Paleeeeze! Give 'em a brake!!!!

So... you want anonymous tips sent to you and your group south of Boston, not to any place in NH where you insist some crime against Maura Murray occurred, but you don't know who gets the mail or how the mail is retrieved or even where it ends up. But you request the public to "send it to us." You're just a boatload of confidence.

Shack wrote:

Doesn't anyone here from the prior Maura Murray Forums remember the hell and anxiety that Helena went through just to get this private post office box...? Days of filling out multiple forms, standing in line...?

It really sounds like a living hell to get a PO box in MA. I had to get a PO box and was able to do it in about 20 minutes. No rectal probe or DNA test was required.

No one has demonstrated even a little, tiny bit that a murder took place. Is there any FACTUAL information that Maura Murray was murdered?

If it had been your daughter who had disappeared in THAT Haverhill area? THAT Haverhill area? Maybe some people don't quite like the sound of THAT.

What is it with all the hatefulness? You go first, since it all comes from you for the purpose of staging a town/gown conflict more intriguing and distracting than any so-called staged car crash.

The time-line, when corrected, reads like a long list of zeros. She called an unknown person and left a message of no importance. She called an out-of-order resort phone line and spoke with no one. The car she did not own was found at a "crash" site where no crash occurred, in a town she had never seen before, and on, and on, and on, and on. She didn't live in her dorm room. She did not have a roommate in the dorm room. She did not work at a non-existent gallery. No one on her dorm floor remembers having seen her. She did not dine with others. She did not compete in almost all the UMass Women's Track Team races despite a history of competitive running. No photo of her at an undisclosed ATM was shown to even her immediate family for the purpose of positively identifying her.

The list of zero descriptive factors pre-disappearance is absurdly long.

And yet when this barely existing person no one knows disappears, anonymous tips should be sent to a PO Box south of Boston - a PO Box no one knows anything about - instead of conveying the information to the local police in the town in which it is claimed she disappeared!

A phony crash took place in a town totally unfamiliar to Maura. You want to siphon off information from the local police, castigate them for not doing their job, then piss on them for not providing what information they do have so that the whole world can learn what the police know and do not know.