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Where is MAURA MURRAY

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whiston

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Oct 28, 2008
 
hi looking4amoose thanks for the help with the above do you know if this was the first the first actual news conference after Maura vanished.just trying to get an idea of which reporters were actually up in N.H. and which were getting the story over the phone etc. take care philip
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Harry wrote:
<quoted text>So why not skip the near deadly stress of the mailbox and just ask people to send their tips anonymously but directly to LE? Why the detour?
There are a lot of people in the area who do not trust LE. They could/would think it is a "trick" regardless of it being anonymous.
Lady Gray

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problem solver wrote:
Someone should publish the anonymous tip line for HPD and SP and then the individual contributor has options of where to send information. Use the PO box Shack put up or alternate. It is clear that it all ends up with the proper authorities.
Great idea, will do later today.
White Wash

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I think there is some missing carpet that says other wise!

I belive there was a knife that had to be chased
down that says other wise.

Yes Lady Gray the NHSP Crime Unit did comfirm
that have DNA why else would they request her
hair bush other samples? Hum?
Lady Gray wrote:
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Wrong. Very wrong. All info submitted anonymously to the P.O. Box provided earlier is given directly to necessary LE. How could one say that the person who receives the info has the ability and the means to investigate the info not to mention the presence of mind to discern as to what is important and what is not? Oh, please don't answer that...never mind. But you are wrong. All info is given to LE.
White Wash

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Now why is that Lady Gray?
Maybe all the BASHING?
It simply amazes me how little people think.
Where do you think those working for the NHSP Special Crime Unit live or HPD, NHSP ect.
they live in our communities.
I would always like to point out a few other points Eleswhere.
Joe Meth Head decides to beat his Meth Head woman
both non employed one living off the system so 2 officers go to the call one of course takes Joe to the police station the other office has Joe Meth Heads Woman kids. Just how many hours do you think this ties up these two officers?
Joanne drunk good parent smacks Jr around for being mouthy well our two HPD are tied up so NHSP get this call! Now we have 4 officers tied up on family stuff!
So for those who beleive our pockets and resources and endless think again!
Continue to bash instead of maybe helping out.
Just my opinion.
Lady Gray wrote:
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There are a lot of people in the area who do not trust LE. They could/would think it is a "trick" regardless of it being anonymous.
White Wash

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Thank You!
The air bags are missing and NHSP have not been
looking for anyone but Maura.
And Fred would have been all over that if he had
any doubts what so ever!
Come people use the brains just a bit here!
Yes it was comfirmed during an interview to me!
But as Alice suggested I should Shut the F*** Up!
People live and work here and know stuff maybe
if people could open their minds just a bit we are heading in the SAME DIRECTION are we?
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<quoted text>There is usually DNA evidence on a deployed airbag if someone was in the seat.
Anne

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#7137
Oct 28, 2008
 
It is obvious that law enforcement are stretched thin with budget and manpower and many agencies struggle with the same problem. These are serious social and political problems that all Americans have within their communities. This could be a whole new thread for someone.
White Wash

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Well I guess some could say the same about CW's mobile that you saw the Forensics vehicle at
but has not been released to the public as well couldn't we Shack!
Now I know for fact because I know the person who FOUND the moblie home and got this little project rolling that actually you are CORRECT on this!

I also know that a cabin was also involved in a little Forensics testing why cause I know someone who was there!

Now given the fact CW is wandering around a free
you can draw your own endings!

Take what works SOB (scroll on by) what does not!
Shack wrote:
DNA evidence is only determined though DNA
Testing. I won't believe that any DNA testing was performed on anything until I hear so, from a very reliable source.
I know that there was a Forensics vehicle within yellow tape around the CW trailer....
but that's it.....
White Wash

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It would prove Maura was driving!
Some of us really dogged certain people on this
for a long time me I for one didn't believe she was ever here!

So tell us more about the enclosed trailer from CT interesting statement.
Thanks
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Okay, assume the airbags were tested for DNA. What would that prove? How might it help?
White Wash

Lebanon, NH

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Oct 28, 2008
 
Whiston
Sorry can you posted the paper link again from
Kathleen with Maura's belongings again!
I've been looking and can find it!

Thank you!
whiston wrote:
hi looking4amoose thanks for the help with the above do you know if this was the first the first actual news conference after Maura vanished.just trying to get an idea of which reporters were actually up in N.H. and which were getting the story over the phone etc. take care philip
White Wash

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Oct 28, 2008
 
Next question is who knows Jack about DNA on here!
Could a sibling blood pass for anothers?
Hair?

Butch's statement of her hair down has always always bugged me. Maura wore VO5 to slick her hair
back. Lacking glue? Use a little V05!
I seriously have doubts it came loose from
the force of the air bag.
FireCat

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White Wash wrote:
I think there is some missing carpet that says other wise!
It is my understanding that there were TWO carpet samples taken, and that one is actually with LE.
I belive there was a knife that had to be chased
down that says other wise.
The knife was given to Fred because the man did not want to go to the police. And Fred TRIED to give it to LE, but they didn't want it. That's why he had to resort to mailing it, because once they open the mail they have to log it as received. You should know that, White Wash, with all your LE information. Those two statements are misleading, and I can only think they are intentionally so.
Yes Lady Gray the NHSP Crime Unit did comfirm
that have DNA why else would they request her
hair bush (sic) other samples? Hum?
Once again, am I the only one who is just now hearing that they did in fact ask for DNA samples?(which from what I knew was standard procedure, not something they waited to do until they had evidence)

Furthermore, that doesn't answer the question directly. A yes or no will suffice, White Wash: Was there DNA evidence discovered on the airbags (or elsewhere for that matter) by means of testing?
FireCat

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White Wash wrote:
It would prove Maura was driving!
Some of us really dogged certain people on this
for a long time me I for one didn't believe she was ever here!
So tell us more about the enclosed trailer from CT interesting statement.
Thanks
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It would not, however, prove WHERE Maura was driving when she had an accident that caused airbags to be deployed. Remember that accident reconstructionists have determined that the accident was not the scene where the car was found. And I also believe that it was determined (perhaps in fact by relatives of yours, whom I am certain you trust and I personally have no reason to doubt) that the air bags were NOT deployed at that same scene.

All DNA on an airbag proves is that Maura's head or face came in contact with the airbag at some point. It does not determine WHERE this happened, nor does it determine the CAUSE of those airbags deploying. Maura could have been forced off the road at a prior location, struck something that caused the airbags to deploy, and then taken somewhere.

I am not even saying that someone necessarily did this out of malice. Someone may have struck her car accidentally and then (god forbid) loaded an incapacitated Maura into another vehicle and dumped her car where it was found.

There are many scenarios not taken into account here.

I'm going to get the usual "occam's razor" reminders to keep it as simple as possible, and I would love to. However, this is clearly not a simple situation. Someone is missing. That's not simple.
FireCat

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White Wash wrote:
It would prove Maura was driving!
Some of us really dogged certain people on this
for a long time me I for one didn't believe she was ever here!
So tell us more about the enclosed trailer from CT interesting statement.
Thanks
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Care to share this information with us lesser privileged non-reporters, White Wash? Don't give me the line about protecting your source, either. Even as a reporter you are obligated to provide information to the police (with whom you are friendly, after all) if it will lead to uncovering or solving a crime. As someone--perhaps you yourself--recently posted regarding the PO Box.
FireCat

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White Wash wrote:
Next question is who knows Jack about DNA on here!
Could a sibling blood pass for anothers?
Hair?
Butch's statement of her hair down has always always bugged me. Maura wore VO5 to slick her hair
back. Lacking glue? Use a little V05!
I seriously have doubts it came loose from
the force of the air bag.
It could, under basic testing, but it could also differentiate between siblings. Siblings often have different blood types, for instance. I believe (But don't know for certain) that more sophisticated DNA testing might be able to discriminate among siblings.

However, since none of Maura's siblings are missing or were injured when they convened to search for her, I don't understand the rationale behind asking this.
Wowzer

Franconia, NH

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Lady Gray wrote:
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There are a lot of people in the area who do not trust LE. They could/would think it is a "trick" regardless of it being anonymous.
Funny how someone that doesn't live here can speak for the residents but when an actual local stands up for them they are jumped on and accused of speaking for the citizens.
How would you know for a fact that a lot of people do not trust the LE except for the fact of a certain few coming up on the weekends and saying they were told. What consists of a "lot" to you? 1, 10, 20, 50?
WTF

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FireCat wrote:
<quoted text>I'm going to get the usual "occam's razor" reminders to keep it as simple as possible, and I would love to. However, this is clearly not a simple situation. Someone is missing. That's not simple.
I like the scenario where she crashes her car a couple of miles away, the earlier call “girl left in a vehicle” isn’t her. Then fleeing the first accident where the hood/bumper damage occurred. She runs again and crashes at the barn location. Maura in her car at the first crash and then Maura at her car at the second crash. The scenarios can get more complex but even complex scenarios should use Occam when possible and this seems the simplest way to make this work.

As far as the airbag not knocking her hair down. I always felt that was likely. Airbags, especially first generation airbags, which I believe that Saturn probably had, have repeatedly caused detached retinas. An injury that is typical in people being punched in the face so I belive that could easily have been why her hair was down.

One other comment. Only identical twins have the same DNA. Mothers and children of a specific woman will have the same mitochondrial DNA. The odds of someone else having the same DNA is less than two people having the same fingerprints. The odds are astronomical.

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Harry

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#7149
Oct 28, 2008
 
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Harry wrote:
Okay, assume the airbags were tested for DNA. What would that prove? How might it help?
White Wash wrote:
It would prove Maura was driving!
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Did DNA testing of the airbags in the Saturn conclusively prove that Maura Murray was driving the Saturn when the airbags deployed?
White Wash

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Oct 28, 2008
 
SOB (scroll on by) take what works leave what doesn't!
FireCat wrote:
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It would not, however, prove WHERE Maura was driving when she had an accident that caused airbags to be deployed. Remember that accident reconstructionists have determined that the accident was not the scene where the car was found. And I also believe that it was determined (perhaps in fact by relatives of yours, whom I am certain you trust and I personally have no reason to doubt) that the air bags were NOT deployed at that same scene.
All DNA on an airbag proves is that Maura's head or face came in contact with the airbag at some point. It does not determine WHERE this happened, nor does it determine the CAUSE of those airbags deploying. Maura could have been forced off the road at a prior location, struck something that caused the airbags to deploy, and then taken somewhere.
I am not even saying that someone necessarily did this out of malice. Someone may have struck her car accidentally and then (god forbid) loaded an incapacitated Maura into another vehicle and dumped her car where it was found.
There are many scenarios not taken into account here.
I'm going to get the usual "occam's razor" reminders to keep it as simple as possible, and I would love to. However, this is clearly not a simple situation. Someone is missing. That's not simple.
Wowzer

Franconia, NH

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Wowzer wrote:
I had a conversation this evening with someone which brought to mind some questions.
When was the last time that any family member inquired as to any updates on the case with either HPD or SP and did they receive an answer to their questions? Anyone???????
Seems worth reposting.
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