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Wowzer

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Reality Check wrote:
White Wash...
If you are a reporter?????...PLEASE learn how to spell and put together a sentence that makes SENSE. Not NONSENSE..!!!!
Reality Check wrote:
The LE suv was sold because...... it had been damaged in an acc. on FEB 9th 2004 , then repaired. LE getting rid of any evidence that would link them to Maura's disappearance. CS of Haverhill LE knows exactly what happened to Maura. Look up corruption in the dictionary and his picture will be there.
Wowzer wrote: You are stating these things as fact. Do you have any proof whatsoever to back up your accusations?
Seems worth reposting since it was never answered.
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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
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My post - which included many other possibilities are the only ones I see as possible given what I know.
Because there are several possibilities - I want new information to narow these possibilities down.
I wasn't saying it was anyone in particular that was taking cheap shots. I was saying that taking someone to task f=or using their imagination is a cheap shot.
From what I read in your later post - I don't see that you took a cheap shot.
Thank you, Ben. My perspective generally comes from advocacy on behalf of victims...so I am inclined to be biased and protective in favor of Maura.

I don't have any new or solid theories to contribute, so best I just go back to reading more and commenting less.

Keep up the good effort!

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JMO wrote:
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Thank you, Ben. My perspective generally comes from advocacy on behalf of victims...so I am inclined to be biased and protective in favor of Maura.
I don't have any new or solid theories to contribute, so best I just go back to reading more and commenting less.
Keep up the good effort!
Everybody counts. Please keep posting.
Harry

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
Harry wrote:
There are people in the "body drug" and body building business in the Amherst/Northampton area, and from Connecticut, who seem to have an unusually keen interest in the disappearance of Maura Murray. But it sure does not appear to be a healthy interest.[text deleted]
Lady Gray wrote:
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Please elaborate as to what you're basing this statement on......you must have firsthand knowledge of this? Links please.
Harry wrote:
There is no point in talking to the Taliban.
What evidence do you have that "There are people in the "body drug" and body building business in the Amherst/Northampton area, and from Connecticut, who seem to have an unusually keen interest in the disappearance of Maura Murray."
Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
"Harry - just think about this. Maura could be alive and somebody's captive, living a nightmare. This is about her and no one else."
Harry wrote:
"I have thought about it a lot, actually, but I really doubt that Maura is being held captive...
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So you just mix the stuff up at a factory in China and sell it in Amherst, or wherever, packaged in a nice amber bottle with a pretty label on it and some pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo. And maybe some people involved in this trade take a step or two further on their own and include something a little stronger when they approach the gym owner or the local health food store.
It's big business and a lot of people die from it. In a variety of ways. And I think Maura Murray was one of the victims.
Harry Wrote:
"Just curious. Why would a detective investigate a disappearance when he has had close ties, prior to the disappearance, with those who may have made the disappearance possible? With some who were Key players in the Rowland corruption scandal?"
Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
"You also said that one of the private detectives was on Rowland's payroll."
Harry Wrote:
"I've never said that."
OK - you didn't say that exactly - but you didn't elaborate...
Probably, it was hard to be so publicly laughed at in the nation's leading newspaper.
citigirl

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
OK - so this is interesting, to say the least. In many respects. Not really new however.
As for Elsewhere briefly - all I recall him saying was something to the effect that he doesn't always agree with White Wash - but he has found accuracy as to White Wash's statements about facts.
**There is no reason to condemn him for that.**
And yes - he and I have had our disagreements. Significant disagreements - but on his being condemned for this - well I stand with Elsewherebriefly on this one.
More interesting - is that while Elsewherebriefly was, in fact, speaking more in terms of evidence known to be relevant - I'm surprised that the apparent outrage was not greater about the multiple pages of content by which the relevance has yet to be ascertained.
Secondly - as far as I know - no one knows what happened to Maura. We are here to try to figure out what happened.
Given the facts - a whole variety of things could have happened. Some dad or mom could stomach reading - some mom or dad might not, and some in between.
Just because a scenario is stated as possible - or a person believes it most likely - doesn't make it an attack on Maura - they are simply possible explanations for the set of facts - and if anyone should be angry at anything - it should be at the lack of facts available.
Now - Eurobserver and I happen to disagree slightly on weather Maura had anything to do with Vasi. I just don't happen to think so - but I do see that it could be possible.
What I think is more possible - and very important possibility to consider - and that Eurobserver helped me come to realize - is that the Saturn could have received its prior damage on the drive up North. Prior damage does not involve Vasi in this situation. The math shows that if the Saturn was taken up the state roads - the car would have been driven at speeds higher then what the road is designed for - and this would lead to other earlier drive away accidents prior to the final one. By no means am I saying that Maura was in that car.
The theory I have for the secret boyfriend possibility ignores prior damage. But truth be told - I don't think there was prior damage. But truth also be told - I know I'm not qualified to asses this - but I do know who is - and three cops debating in a break room aren't qualified either - unless they were engineers - or they retained engineers. We don't know who helped with that.(Here's something Elsewherebriefly will disagree with - and I think he has the right to.)
My theory of a secret boyfriend involves two possibilities: a predator that was charming (Like the hillside strangler) or legitimate and that she started a new life.
I also think she could have been kidnapped or Murdered at Amhurst by two people - one that at least looked like Maura. This is what I think is most likely - ties in with earlier radio reports - pings - the family not seeing ATM Liquor store videos. Not checking for blood evidence (assumed) because Maura was believed to be in New Hampshire - Mr. Atwood's maybe. The family's belief that she wouldn't just take off. Someone that knew her well enough could have lied to her about the death in the family - your dad called while you were (somewhere) and he said uncle/Aunt (someone) died and he wants you to go (somewhere)- waits for phone calls and emails and strikes
(Part 1)
I have always believed that what ever happened to Maura began in Amherst. I don't believe she left Amherst on her own free will.
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hi Lady Grey and all.oil change stickers show mileage and location that are paid for with cash or credit cards.If the saturn was worked on over the christmas break ,it is on file on the sticker which was put there by the garage and then removed from the windshield. maybe they fixed the lights, if they were fixed.AS for the junk mail .Did Maura get an email or mail on Monday feb o9 from a ski resort in V.T or New Hampshire, offering winter deals, ,i dont know.But something happened in MAURAS PRIOR LIFE IN AMHERST OR BEFORE that caused her to vanish .i think we all agree she attended school in Amherst.i think we can all agree she is gone.Her life was in AMHERST .Why she left may tell us where she is .One more thought ,what if the saturn was damaged by someone in C.T. or M.A. over the christmas break.Lady Grey i dont want to get into a back and forth with you about somethig that is a theory.ALL THEORY IS GOOD UNTIL IT IS PROVEN WRONG. TAKE CARE PHILIP
Reality Check

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Wowzer......

Haverhill minutes of meetings back in 04 tell of damaged vehicle and repair. CS lied about a few things in the few days after Maura went missing. These are facts and are the truth. He even stated he didn't go looking for Maura that night because he didn't know the area that well!!!...Why doesn't a cop know his area he works in?
mcsmom

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From cell web site:

I called my friend last night and the phone just rang and rang. Then voice mail came on. So I was pretty much stood up. The guy called today and told me that his cell phone battery had died. He has an old cell phone and I'm not sure if he is telling the truth. When you call a cell phone and it's battery is dead doesn't it just go straight to voicemail?


No, it does not always go straight to voice mail!

There is a timer that the providers set in their network called T3212. It can be set anywhere from 6 minutes to 24 hours (most providers have it set anywhere from one hour to four hours).

Anyway, this timer is like a "roll call". Let's say that it's set to four hours. If your mobile does absolutely nothing for four hours, it automatically sends a message (it's almost like a SMS) to the network and tells it "I'm still here!"

If the mobile doesn't send this message, and the four hours goes by, then the network will mark this mobile as "detached" which means that incoming calls will go directly to voice mail. But until the timer expires, the network thinks the mobile is still available and will try repeatedly to reach the mobile and, after eventually being unsuccessful, go to voicemail.

What could have happened is that his mobile sent the message "I'm still here" to the network and that was just enough to kill the battery, so the
network thought he was still online for the next four hours, when his battery was actually dead.

So, maybe give him the benefit of the doubt this one time. Mobile networks are very complicated things...

PS By the way, when you turn your mobile off, before it actually turns off, it sends a different message to the network, saying "I'm off now, if anyone calls, don't try to reach me, go straight to voice mail." So that's different from the battery dying.

With the above information LE would know whether or not Maura's cell phone was turned off.
We know from the original forum that Kathleen and Tammy tried to reach Maura in the immediate days following her disappearance and the phone rang for a period of time before it went to voice mail.
I don't know if they were able to leave voice messages which would be very helpful to know if her voice mailbox was full.....
If her phone sent a detached signal, when and where did that occur?
Does anyone know the length of time Sprint/Samsung sets the default timer for the roll call?
Based on what info we have it appears the phone remained charged for a long period of time, but out of cell service because of the ping call, and subsequent calls from family/friends.

But of course LE knows all of this.
Quija

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Reality Check wrote:
Wowzer......
Haverhill minutes of meetings back in 04 tell of damaged vehicle and repair. CS lied about a few things in the few days after Maura went missing. These are facts and are the truth. He even stated he didn't go looking for Maura that night because he didn't know the area that well!!!...Why doesn't a cop know his area he works in?
Do you know the make, model and year of that vehicle? Any idea when it was auctioned off? Thanks.
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Eurobserver wrote:
Esteemed fellow posters,
As a free-flowing debate is apparently quite out of the question on this board I hereby take my leave and wish you all the best.
Goodbye.
Sincerely,
Euro
Don't know where you have been lately Euro.

This has been the pattern with a few of these people for years.

I don't waste my time here either except to watch the stupidity. My favorites are the ones clearly driving the forum in the direction they want. Itís blatant; they donít even attempt to hide it anymore. So either post without care to what those two say or you will not be heard. Use it as a catharsis to rage against the foolishness. While others are daily trying to put together ideas and scenarios that might make sense they just sit and lob hand grenades over the wall. Then everyone goes for another week trying to establish the stupidity of what the person said, of course to no avail but such a tremendous waste of time. Maura will be found not through anything done on this board but when some evidence shows up. While I think after 4 years of listening to what little we know about what happened, regardless of what some of the smaller unsophisticated minds say, I feel to my satisfaction I know what likely happened that night. I will wait and pay attention to see if anything new comes out but arguing with these people is such a timewaster. Life is too short. Let the people who have nothing but free time and no other skill set, two immediately (S&S) come to mind, start arguing with themselves. So either post without worrying about acceptance of your ideas or donít waste your time posting.

B.
White Wash

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Who ever stated I was a reporter????

Sorry not me I am a photographer!

But I very interested in seeing actual proof of
your BLOWING!
Reality Check wrote:
White Wash...
If you are a reporter?????...PLEASE learn how to spell and put together a sentence that makes SENSE. Not NONSENSE..!!!!
White Wash

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While you are out gather actual facts!
Why don't you pick up some Manners as well!

If you have issues with my POSTS SOB!

(Scroll on By)
Reality Check wrote:
White Wash...
If you are a reporter?????...PLEASE learn how to spell and put together a sentence that makes SENSE. Not NONSENSE..!!!!
White Wash

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I think most of us feel that way!
But who why when where.

Any thoughts why you think this?
citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>I have always believed that what ever happened to Maura began in Amherst. I don't believe she left Amherst on her own free will.
White Wash

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I do but you didn't ask me so can wait to see
what Mr. Manners pulls out of the 04 Town Report!
Helena I know you have it would you
please resend it to me!
Thanks!
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Do you know the make, model and year of that vehicle? Any idea when it was auctioned off? Thanks.

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mcsmom wrote:
From cell web site:
I called my friend last night and the phone just rang and rang. Then voice mail came on. So I was pretty much stood up. The guy called today and told me that his cell phone battery had died. He has an old cell phone and I'm not sure if he is telling the truth. When you call a cell phone and it's battery is dead doesn't it just go straight to voicemail?
No, it does not always go straight to voice mail!
There is a timer that the providers set in their network called T3212. It can be set anywhere from 6 minutes to 24 hours (most providers have it set anywhere from one hour to four hours).
Anyway, this timer is like a "roll call". Let's say that it's set to four hours. If your mobile does absolutely nothing for four hours, it automatically sends a message (it's almost like a SMS) to the network and tells it "I'm still here!"
If the mobile doesn't send this message, and the four hours goes by, then the network will mark this mobile as "detached" which means that incoming calls will go directly to voice mail. But until the timer expires, the network thinks the mobile is still available and will try repeatedly to reach the mobile and, after eventually being unsuccessful, go to voicemail.
What could have happened is that his mobile sent the message "I'm still here" to the network and that was just enough to kill the battery, so the
network thought he was still online for the next four hours, when his battery was actually dead.
So, maybe give him the benefit of the doubt this one time. Mobile networks are very complicated things...
PS By the way, when you turn your mobile off, before it actually turns off, it sends a different message to the network, saying "I'm off now, if anyone calls, don't try to reach me, go straight to voice mail." So that's different from the battery dying.
With the above information LE would know whether or not Maura's cell phone was turned off.
We know from the original forum that Kathleen and Tammy tried to reach Maura in the immediate days following her disappearance and the phone rang for a period of time before it went to voice mail.
I don't know if they were able to leave voice messages which would be very helpful to know if her voice mailbox was full.....
If her phone sent a detached signal, when and where did that occur?
Does anyone know the length of time Sprint/Samsung sets the default timer for the roll call?
Based on what info we have it appears the phone remained charged for a long period of time, but out of cell service because of the ping call, and subsequent calls from family/friends.
But of course LE knows all of this.
Very Helpful IMHO. I am going to try to think of what can be discussed, if at all, to figure out if we could possibly put some brainshare power into using this information to assist some how some way. I'll have to drink some coffee first - make sure I'm awake - then think for a while.
White Wash

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Whoooooooooooooooooooooa!
I just to be clear I did not post any such information!
1. I know that Ford indeed did not make a 4 door Bronco!
2. I know where the Police Dept has their Rigs
repaired.
3. I know who the current owner is.
Wowzer wrote:
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No need to dig for the post elsewhere. Thank you for verifying the suv was cleared. I think keeping facts separated from fiction is important.
When someone makes such a damaging statement as Reality Check did and states it as fact they should have proof before they put it on a public forum. Elsewhere it's ok not to agree with someone all the time. It's knowing how to disagree with courtesy and respect that I think we could all take a lesson in, myself included.
White Wash

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I would like to point out that the
Calandonia Record is sourced a lot here
for facts.

Saturday's Head Line was 3rd Arrested in
Murder!

What?

For anyone truly following the case would
know that Mike Robbie would be #4.
mcsmom

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Nov 3, 2008
 
white wash.......can you re post your post about what happened to the SUV....you know the one about LE reacquiring it?

Thanks.
sophie bean

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Is there any actual ebidence that Brian Rooney was in the area on Feb 9, 2004? I have heard people say that he might have been there. If he was, he is more than capable of abduction and murder - as he's been convicted and sentenced for murdering Michelle Gardner-Quinn in Burlington.
If he was actually in the area at that time, I'd say that's worth strongly considering. A lot more plausible than the secret boyfriend scenario.
elsewherebriefly

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WHITE WASH wrote:
Citigirl
I want to be clear on one other point
the Goose Lane Witness states it was
a Bronco. Ford doesn't make a 4 door
Bronco it was an Explorer and it
has been located since being sold
at auction and photograph so I would
personally rule out Smith hitting the
car but that is my opinion.
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Oops White Wash,

My mistake, had Bronco on the brain instead of Ford Explorer.
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