Where is MAURA MURRAY

Actually HPD sold the Explorer being drove that night!
To my knowledge it has never been back to HPD!
The photos I have of it taken this past summer
the owner is private citzen!
Sorry to my knowledge HPD has not sold and re-purchased said SUV.

mcsmom wrote:

white wash...thank you for your reply.
I thought I was loosing my mind there for a moment...glad to know that you again confirm LE auctioned the same vehicle that CS drove the night of Feb 9, 2004 and then re-acquired it.
I'm glad we got that straight!
Phew!
(I wonder what happened to the original post?)

hi all. personally think the saturn was at the weathered barn before 7.12 pm ,with some minor damage.i believe whether someone hit it or Muara walking in a close location to where it was found is very likeky .can someone post when sgt Smith called Lavoies and when they arrived .Was lavoies a AAA towing service at the time .i ask because AAA has said they had no calls to that whole area of NH that night,which i find odd to say the least.if Lavoies was the local AAA garage in the area and had no calls ,what took so long for them to get to the saturn and why was sgt Smith at the saturn for 1 hr. and 40 minutes.Was mrs Westman asked to stay on the phone with 911 or was she just stuck on the phone when PD arrived A SECOND TIME at the saturn.i am still not convinced that this was not the THIRD time the saturn and PD had crossed paths that night.one more thing i dont think it helps to post where has been searched and who is not involved in helping to find out hwt happened to Maura.take care philip

JMO wrote:

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Agree.
To be fair, this also means our minds should be more open to and tolerant of the 'psychic' stuff, too...which I happen to personally find less palatable and without a reality/scientific basis. sigh.

Sorry but no. There is no need to include psychics, etc. If you really want to move into the realm of entertainment fine. But certainly there is no reason to loose grip on reality. There is always a tendency to want to "do something". Don't pursue ridiculous avenues especially when you even state that you know that they are useless and misleading. I periodically read about a search or missing person that “the police have used a psychic on the case”. And inevitably you read the reason they did it is because of fear of being accused of “not doing everything” to find the person. What a retarded excuse and of course it’s a lie. If they really want to “do everything” I want to start seeing them pulling the entrails from goats and reading them. Just as scientific and a time honored method to foretell the future and find missing people. Then they will have really done everything.

B.

White Wash wrote:

My question is still the same!!
If the SUV was in an accident with Maura
how could he pass them on Goose Lane?
Why would anyone who was just in an accident
take it to a place where what 20 people would
see it?
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the witness just stated how the SUV was parked nose to nose with the saturn. I have had no prior knowledge to the SUV being in an accident. The 1st time I heard about it being in an accident is when I recently read Reality checks posting.

whiston wrote:

hi all. personally think the saturn was at the weathered barn before 7.12 pm ,with some minor damage.i believe whether someone hit it or Muara walking in a close location to where it was found is very likeky .can someone post when sgt Smith called Lavoies and when they arrived .Was lavoies a AAA towing service at the time .i ask because AAA has said they had no calls to that whole area of NH that night,which i find odd to say the least.if Lavoies was the local AAA garage in the area and had no calls ,what took so long for them to get to the saturn and why was sgt Smith at the saturn for 1 hr. and 40 minutes.Was mrs Westman asked to stay on the phone with 911 or was she just stuck on the phone when PD arrived A SECOND TIME at the saturn.i am still not convinced that this was not the THIRD time the saturn and PD had crossed paths that night.one more thing i dont think it helps to post where has been searched and who is not involved in helping to find out hwt happened to Maura.take care philip

I don't know if this could be the case but we once had car problems up north and had to call AAA. We were told who would be coming. We waited for well over an hour and no one showed up.So we had to put a second call in and give our destination and all the info over again and they sent a different tow company from who they originally told us they were going to send.Whiston I personally do not post areas to be searched or ares that have been searched.

WTF wrote:

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Sorry but no. There is no need to include psychics, etc. If you really want to move into the realm of entertainment fine. But certainly there is no reason to loose grip on reality. There is always a tendency to want to "do something". Don't pursue ridiculous avenues especially when you even state that you know that they are useless and misleading. I periodically read about a search or missing person that “the police have used a psychic on the case”. And inevitably you read the reason they did it is because of fear of being accused of “not doing everything” to find the person. What a retarded excuse and of course it’s a lie. If they really want to “do everything” I want to start seeing them pulling the entrails from goats and reading them. Just as scientific and a time honored method to foretell the future and find missing people. Then they will have really done everything.
B.

OK. I can sometimes be too generous in trying to be fair. Other times, I can be quite direct...someone once said 'prickly'. I'll add snappish. LOL
Anyway, I've stated quite often that I am a disbeliever in psychic phenomenon. I didn't say we have to like it.
Now, some of this 'beagle' stuff makes sense.

And, no, Bill ~ 'entertainment' at the expense of Maura Murray is undesirable and unacceptable. I fully agree.

JMO wrote:

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OK. I can sometimes be too generous in trying to be fair. Other times, I can be quite direct...someone once said 'prickly'. I'll add snappish. LOL
Anyway, I've stated quite often that I am a disbeliever in psychic phenomenon. I didn't say we have to like it.
Now, some of this 'beagle' stuff makes sense.

It is quite unclear who required your opinion on psychic phenomena. By the way, there are many non believers, just curious what you have to offer aside from your criticism of an element that only wants to find Maura.'Beagle and his multiple personailities makes no sense to me, but I do listen, read and consider. What do you offer? I should add, aside from your critique.

JMO I guess it appears WTF brought the subject up!

problem solver wrote:

<quoted text>It is quite unclear who required your opinion on psychic phenomena. By the way, there are many non believers, just curious what you have to offer aside from your criticism of an element that only wants to find Maura.'Beagle and his multiple personailities makes no sense to me, but I do listen, read and consider. What do you offer? I should add, aside from your critique.

Quite apparently,I bring as much to this discussion as you do...and more.

"After almost five years, what's anyone honest got to lose by looking at something different?"

Potentially everything to gain, nothing to loose. Thank you for the clear communication of the set of possibilities that occur to you.

"I don't know if this could be the case but we once had car problems up north and had to call AAA. We were told who would be coming. We waited for well over an hour and no one showed up.So we had to put a second call in and give our destination and all the info over again and they sent a different tow company from who they originally told us they were going to send.Whiston I personally do not post areas to be searched or ares that have been searched. "

In what I provide below - I'm not trying to find a reason why the tow driver took so long - over an hour - believe me I am very sympathetic. I'm only trying to relay what I know (the wee bit) with regard to AAA and tow companies. As little help as it may be.

When I was going to USC my best friend's brother happened to own a tow company. They are located right in downtown Los Angeles.

From what I picked up just being there - AAA has contracts with various Tow companies and will pay a flat fee per tow call. From what I picked up - the flat fee usually pays less then a day-to-day tow. They can't ignore the call - but if something that pays more comes in more or less simultaneously - it might not be the first choice, especially if they are short staff or two calls come in at a late hour.

Just by observing and hanging out while my best friend would help out his brother - and this was probably 10 years ago ->

To the tow drivers - these emergency calls are a daily routine - so they won't drop a conversation they are in or avoid one on the way to get into their tow truck, on the way out to a call. Put everything together - I always assume that a tow company is going to take a half hour, under normal circumstances.

Later at night - if they only have 1 guy there - and something comes up - it gets doubled.

When I met the other owner of the company the very first time - before the company was organized - he had 1 tow truck and operated out of a gas station office he leased. He would sleep when he could and sometimes get a call that would wake him up. This seems more likely in areas of lower population.

Some tow companies are Official Police Garages (OPG's) and they have a contract with the police department to pick up and store cars involved in cases. I am uncertain what has to happen to get a vehicle out of the OPG. I do know that some of the cars are auctioned off.

"problem solver" wrote to JMO: "What do you offer? I should add, aside from your critique."

I find that JMO is a good voice for a reality check, which I know I need sometimes. I didn't understand this at first. I think it is important to have it said or listen when someone says something doesn't make sense or is a bit of a stretch. In hindsite - I appreciate the times JMO has told me that - it helps me rethink my line of thought and get a better focus on what is possible.

Fred bought the Saturn in CT. He drove it to Amherst..approximately 100+ miles. I don't know how many days,weeks that Maura had the car. I don't know how many miles she put on the car. The "Title" would have the odometer reading at date of purchase. For investigation purposes it could be relevant as to how many miles the
car had traveled. Some on the Forum thought it might have been towed....
IF..the car had 9000 mi. at purchase...add 125ish for trip ...add 50ish for her occasional "out and about"...add 150ishfor trek North. Was odometer reading at Lavoies/SP 9325ish?

I am so stuck at a "locked car on 112" with no Maura. If she left, on her own accord; she wouldn't have left her jewelry...and Joseph.

MY experiences with towing in NH. I .get the nearest tow service and submit bill to AAA.

Somebody wrote recently about CS on Swiftwater Rd/Goose...and being "seen on Rte 10". CS cleared the Petticoat Lane snowmobile situation at 6:25PM...it is on Rte 10...from there
past Grafton Court complex to Swiftwater Rd (Cottage Hospital) is approximately 2-3 miles. Of course, he could be seen on Rte 10 by anyone. He could have easily been "nose to nose"
with...? before the 7:27P call by FW. Anne's recollection of scanner at 7PM "left in private vehicle" timing fits. Who left..? with whom?
in a private vehicle...?

In re-reading your Post, BF..about OPG...when I worked as Dispatcher for a local town police department, they had 2 towing services that were used alternately. I think Lavoie's, up in Haverhill, are the only specified towing company.
They are related to some of the town employees.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

"problem solver" wrote to JMO: "What do you offer? I should add, aside from your critique."
I find that JMO is a good voice for a reality check, which I know I need sometimes. I didn't understand this at first. I think it is important to have it said or listen when someone says something doesn't make sense or is a bit of a stretch. In hindsite - I appreciate the times JMO has told me that - it helps me rethink my line of thought and get a better focus on what is possible.

Good Morning, Ben ~
My afterthought, after a quick ( and slightly defensive) reply to "problem solver"...is that I'd like to think I can offer some 'perspective'. I am not adept at speculation.

When you think do you even remotely ponder going to www.yellowpages.com and taking the step to look up anything before Slandering people?

Actually it was Dick McKean's aka Northland Auto Body and Towing week for towing!

Dispatch called Lavoies by mistake!

So both Northland and Lavoies arrived at the accident that night! Count them 2 towing companies
present!

What town employee are we related to as I really
should introduce myself since I am unware of any
town employees in the family.

Also Tic Tac Towing, A Notch Above, GSR towing
to name a few of the others in the area humm
since more than 1.

This is the last time I will ask you nicely to stop SLANDERING MY FAMILY!

Shack wrote:

In re-reading your Post, BF..about OPG...when I worked as Dispatcher for a local town police department, they had 2 towing services that were used alternately. I think Lavoie's, up in Haverhill, are the only specified towing company.
They are related to some of the town employees.

Since "problem solver", somehow I doubt the name, was actually commenting on my statement I would think that they should look back at my posts to see "what I offer". This forum appears to be devolving at a rapid rate.

And yes, people who have been drinking have been known to do things like walk around at accident scenes after being thrown out of a tumbling vehicle on feet so badly broken I first thought that they were partial amputations in their attempt to flee. I have seen others run from the scene leaving their heart medication; others have left jewelry behind so I imagine that someone might flee a scene and leave a stuffed animal behind instinctively grabbing a backpack with or without consideration for what it contains. The funniest part, the most interesting part, is that rational people expect rational action from people that clearly were not rational. They were likely in fight or flight mode. I have seen incredibly foolish things done and almost every one was from the combination of alcohol and adrenalin. An incredibly potent mixture.

B.

AAA and Dispatch are totally different here!
Want to be clear I do not know what AAA policy
is for services.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I don't know if this could be the case but we once had car problems up north and had to call AAA. We were told who would be coming. We waited for well over an hour and no one showed up.So we had to put a second call in and give our destination and all the info over again and they sent a different tow company from who they originally told us they were going to send.Whiston I personally do not post areas to be searched or ares that have been searched.